AZ - Gabriel Johnson, 8 months, 26 Dec 2009 - last seen in Texas - #2

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves
Status
Not open for further replies.
I'm listening to the replay of NG. Someone just said, that even though she didn't want or love the baby, the baby loved her.
That is so true and that makes this so much more sad, and horrendous. Kids are so innocent and loving. I just keep picturing my children and how happy they are and innocent they are, especially at that age and it breaks my heart.
 
Drama, Drama, Drama. These people are incredible. If I knew that Gabe was safe and sound I would have to laugh out loud about this. Soooo bizarre.

You guys amaze me with your super sleuthing.

I am praying so hard for Gabe. One moment I think he must be ok and then I read one more thing and am convinced that he is not ok.
 
SusanB... I agree Logan should sue them. One article reports they have been talking with him and Elizabeth for 7 months and in another they say they didn't really consider contacting him because Elizabeth said he was abusive. They know about Elizabeth's behavior yet they stand up on TV and say they saw the love in her eyes and support her - you know if they didn't Elizabeth would probably fess up with some stories about them.

Tammi is claiming that Logan was abusive although there is no evidence of it - and, it appears she has claimed her ex was abusive, yet she is on record, online, encouraging a high school girl to become a surrogate.
 
I just think is very odd that she supposedly spent three days with "Cheryl" and her husband, yet doesn't know his name. I am sure on some occasion he introduced himself or at dinner time she called his name.

That's probably because there is no Cheryl and her husband. I assume that everything from this woman's mouth is a lie. She either killed her child in revenge against Logan for whatever she feels he did or didn't do, or she arranged to sell him to TPS who then paid for her to "disappear". If so, now their house of cards is falling in on them.

I have met several people like EJ in the course of my business. She didn't really want her child but didn't want anyone else who had a rightful claim to Gabriel, to have him because that might make her look "bad". If both she and Logan appeared to agree jointly to give up the child, then they would look like responsible young people who had a child too young but now want to do the right thing. In her mind, if she gave custody to the father, she would look like a bad parent. Also, these types seem to have a resentment and/or hatred to those close to them. Her child is her property and no parent or boyfriend, who may have criticized her in the past, is going to have their criticisms confirmed with custody of her property. So, she'd rather give "that thing" as she calls him, to outsiders, or kill him so no one can have him. Just like casey anthony and melinda duckett. Real class acts.

I do not believe there is a vast, underground but easily accessible network of people trying to arrange illegal adoptions. There may be some, here and there, but it would be just too convenient that EJ would be able to find them and that such a couple is not the Smiths.
I also think that 99% of the population would call the police if a young troubled woman with an infant asked them to take her baby. They wouldn't take her in off the street like that. So, I completely disbelieve any sotry about some random couple taking her child. IT's nonsense. It never happened.

But, someone paid for this monster to travel across the country. I hope LE is vigorously investigating the smiths. Poor baby Gabriel.
 
Oh, for cripe sake.... I'd be the first one to support anyone who was abused, but why am I thinking that is not the case here.

Because we talented sleuthers can sniff out a malingerer with a great deal of accuracy. She is an attention wh*re. She is a collector of children. She cares for no one, I'll bet, but herself. Similar personality type to one with a Munchausen's type disorder.
She likes the attention that comes with being a person on the boards desperately seeking a child. I'd bet she loves the whole process of "seeking" a child, the struggle, sharing her "pain", etc.
She likes the attention of being a heroic rescuer of unwanted children , like her adopted daughter, like the child she referred to named Salina, like baby Gabriel.
She likes the attention of being a new mother. She has a huge hole to fill due to the loss of her natural children, or perhaps, she seeks to prove that she is a good mother, by obtaining more kids, so she can shake off the shame of having custody taken away of her own kids. "See? People give ME their children! I'm not a bad mother! You were wrong to take my kids away!"
Hey, for all I know, her ex was a bast*rd who fought dirty to get custody and who then hid the kids from her for a year. Maybe he really was a diabolical creep who abused her and then psychologically abused the kids when she found them again and tried to enforce her visitation rights, until she was forced to "give them up." I don't know, but my instinct says it's nonsense. If her story was correct, she didn't have to legally relinquish custody to spare them the trauma of being browbeaten for showing love and happiness at seeing their mom. She could have just forgone visitation, although most moms would fight like hell and never give up their children!
Anyhow, if she is telling the truth, maybe she is psychologically damaged, hence, her obsession with kid collecting.
Still, I doubt her story. I think something is very wrong with her and her husband. Hinky meter at 100%.
 
That's probably because there is no Cheryl and her husband. I assume that everything from this woman's mouth is a lie. She either killed her child in revenge against Logan for whatever she feels he did or didn't do, or she arranged to sell him to TPS who then paid for her to "disappear". If so, now their house of cards is falling in on them.

I have met several people like EJ in the course of my business. She didn't really want her child but didn't want anyone else who had a rightful claim to Gabriel, to have him because that might make her look "bad". If both she and Logan appeared to agree jointly to give up the child, then they would look like responsible young people who had a child too young but now want to do the right thing. In her mind, if she gave custody to the father, she would look like a bad parent. Also, these types seem to have a resentment and/or hatred to those close to them. Her child is her property and no parent or boyfriend, who may have criticized her in the past, is going to have their criticisms confirmed with custody of her property. So, she'd rather give "that thing" as she calls him, to outsiders, or kill him so no one can have him. Just like casey anthony and melinda duckett. Real class acts.

I do not believe there is a vast, underground but easily accessible network of people trying to arrange illegal adoptions. There may be some, here and there, but it would be just too convenient that EJ would be able to find them and that such a couple is not the Smiths.
I also think that 99% of the population would call the police if a young troubled woman with an infant asked them to take her baby. They wouldn't take her in off the street like that. So, I completely disbelieve any sotry about some random couple taking her child. IT's nonsense. It never happened.

But, someone paid for this monster to travel across the country. I hope LE is vigorously investigating the smiths. Poor baby Gabriel.

Yep, I agree

Maybe she does not want the Smiths to have Gabe either.

per NG, Tammi said that EJ sold her two yorkies for $500 each and then rented out her room for $400.

Sadly, I don't think he is alive anymore
 
I am going to ramble and then go away to cool off.
Semi-rant warning---

Jack says, we just learned yesterday about the name of the park...we knew that from published media, what, 3 days ago? That means they aren't following the news. The lovely woman and man that pinned their hopes and dreams, sleep two hours a night, and haven't stopped worrying since he went missing...aren't following the news? That's a little odd.
And come on TPS, his name is not "the baby", nor is it "that baby"...his name is Gabriel, and he is not a commodity.

As for EJ, I will temporarily restrain myself...I still want to be here tomorrow.

ETA: And if I hear one more work about underground groups or "contacts" or "sources"....so help me...
 
Wow, this whole story is so full of crap! The Smiths are so consistent with their inconsistencies.
The biggest clue to me is that TS is not upset or frantic about finding this child - showing that she knows where he is and that he is safe. Otherwise, she would be begging for "Cheryl" and "Mr. Cheryl" to please please bring the baby back.:yow:
Respectfully snipped for space!

I agree that this is about attention for TPS. However, I don't think her lack of concern is a guarantee that she knows the child is safe. I'm on the fence. I say that because I have doubt that she actually loves children. I think she is a collector. They are trophies to her. They prove she is a "good mother" or a heroic person.
 
gitana1 .... earlier I had the same thought about this being similar to Munchausen's type disorder
 
OMG...

just today I was thinking that TPS reminds me so much of the infamous Kathy Bush..
who we heard and saw a lot on TV here in South Florida (yes another crazy Florida case, this one about 10 years ago)

Kathy Bush had a "sick" daughter and was on tv various times...her child had many operations....she was a "poster child" and she (and Mama Kathy) even met with then President Clinton

then Kathy was found to have staged it all...poisoned her healthy child, convinced docs to do umpteen operations...she went to prison for "Munchauesen by Proxy" syndrome

http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-articles/columns/Fritsche/Munchausen_by_Proxy.html



at any rate...just this afternoon I was reminded of Kathy so much when I saw that video of TPS....Kathy beamed when her daughter was having an operation...she was so smiling and happy to be on camera....she was even primping for cameras during her various trials/arrest etc
I have not even thought of Kathy Bush in years but I googled her name cause it so reminded me of TPS....this is spooky
 
Thank you all for the updates. Great work.

FB search for "Tammi Peters Smith "


Although I got a little creeped out when I searched for Tammi Fay on there and got this

http://tinyurl.com/yeszfgu

I'm sorry, but i have to ask now, why is this link creepy? Should I have I have been logged in to notice its creepiness? I did recognize the girl with the bright blue eyes .jpeg.
 
OMG...

just today I was thinking that TPS reminds me so much of the infamous Kathy Bush..
who we heard and saw a lot on TV here in South Florida (yes another crazy Florida case, this one about 10 years ago)

Kathy Bush had a "sick" daughter and was on tv various times...her child had many operations....she was a "poster child" and she (and Mama Kathy) even met with then President Clinton

then Kathy was found to have staged it all...poisoned her healthy child, convinced docs to do umpteen operations...she went to prison for "Munchauesen by Proxy" syndrome

http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-articles/columns/Fritsche/Munchausen_by_Proxy.html



at any rate...just this afternoon I was reminded of Kathy so much when I saw that video of TPS....Kathy beamed when her daughter was having an operation...she was so smiling and happy to be on camera....she was even primping for cameras during her various trials/arrest etc
I have not even thought of Kathy Bush in years but I googled her name cause it so reminded me of TPS....this is spooky

Boy, I'll never forget that case. I wonder what happened to the little girl.
I know she was adopted out or in foster care and did not want to talk to her mom, but she must be grown by now, poor thing.
 
Because we talented sleuthers can sniff out a malingerer with a great deal of accuracy. She is an attention wh*re. She is a collector of children. She cares for no one, I'll bet, but herself. Similar personality type to one with a Munchausen's type disorder.
She likes the attention that comes with being a person on the boards desperately seeking a child. I'd bet she loves the whole process of "seeking" a child, the struggle, sharing her "pain", etc.
She likes the attention of being a heroic rescuer of unwanted children , like her adopted daughter, like the child she referred to named Salina, like baby Gabriel.
She likes the attention of being a new mother. She has a huge hole to fill due to the loss of her natural children, or perhaps, she seeks to prove that she is a good mother, by obtaining more kids, so she can shake off the shame of having custody taken away of her own kids. "See? People give ME their children! I'm not a bad mother! You were wrong to take my kids away!"
Hey, for all I know, her ex was a bast*rd who fought dirty to get custody and who then hid the kids from her for a year. Maybe he really was a diabolical creep who abused her and then psychologically abused the kids when she found them again and tried to enforce her visitation rights, until she was forced to "give them up." I don't know, but my instinct says it's nonsense. If her story was correct, she didn't have to legally relinquish custody to spare them the trauma of being browbeaten for showing love and happiness at seeing their mom. She could have just forgone visitation, although most moms would fight like hell and never give up their children!
Anyhow, if she is telling the truth, maybe she is psychologically damaged, hence, her obsession with kid collecting.
Still, I doubt her story. I think something is very wrong with her and her husband. Hinky meter at 100%.
Awesome evaluation, git. I totally agree. These people are so FOS. The Smiths, "Cheryl", Elizabeth. The only one I trust, believe it or not, is the so-called abusive baby's father. He seems to be the only genuine one here - and he has a criminal record!
I think TS and JS are behind all the moves, and that they paid EJ to hit the road. They are probably glad she is behind bars! Better to have Gabriel - get the mother out of the way. EJ was probably so dumb she did not realize what she did requires a stay at in the female ward of county jail.
I am struggling with my gut feelings. On one hand, I just can't think that EJ would actually kill her baby to get back at the boyfriend. But it's getting tight with the child gone for 10 days with no sign of him being anywhere. I hope that he is alive, with another "underground" couple arranged by the Smiths. They must realize, though, how much trouble they will be in eventually if that is the case. They will ALL be in hot water - you just can't propagate trafficking human babies. EJ should serve a lot of time as well, even if she is mentally ill.
Hinky meter on all accounts in full force.:innocent:
 
Thank you all for the updates. Great work.



I'm sorry, but i have to ask now, why is this link creepy? Should I have I have been logged in to notice its creepiness? I did recognize the girl with the bright blue eyes .jpeg.[/QUOTE

I think( and I am not speaking for others) because it's a baby making a sshhh gesture. Like don't tell anyone...
To me it's creepy because of the case and all that TPS posts about wanting babies and preying on girls and their kids.
 
Well I for one am not calling the mother dumb, nor do I give a rat's behind if she has mental problems or ate too many twinkies

People like TPS (and Susan Baker) can only work their nasty games with willing (unfit) mothers who for whatever reason want to get rid of their baby

and I agree with Gitana....they don't want to give up the baby for adoption the normal way, they want the drama, they want to seem like a "good" mom whose baby is missing (like the case in Florida) or in this case it seems Elizabeth wants to "hurt" the father

Elizabeth abused that baby from the start...and I don't have much sympathy for the dad either....he saw the baby with dirty diapers, he saw the things she did and said...

he should have called the cops on this abusive violent jerk
 
Gitana....the heartbreaking thing is that when she was 18 the daughter wanted to re-connect with Kathy...

here is the link

I have not heard much about them since then

I never "met" Kathy Bush but I did see a lot of posters and events for her daughter around town...and she was on TV a lot (before and after her arrest)

in fact I guess she is one of the reasons the media down here will "oversee' fundraising and donations and NOT promote family fundraising efforts
(for instance Channel 4 is handling the fundraising for Michael Brewer)

here is the link about Kathy's daughter

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/07/22/State/_Munchausen__victim_m.shtml

I tear up when I think of this and that little Gabriel "loved' his mommy and smiled at her
when she was nothing but an abuser to him from the time he was born

grrrrrrrrr
 
Logical, I tear up as well about that. It is killing me. I know I felt awful during midnight feedings when I'd wake up and then my baby would be all smiles like all was right in the world. How could you be angry at that??? I just don't get some people.
To me, my kids smiles are the best mood boosters in the world!
 
Thank you all for the updates. Great work.



I'm sorry, but i have to ask now, why is this link creepy? Should I have I have been logged in to notice its creepiness? I did recognize the girl with the bright blue eyes .jpeg.

The symbology for one - the child holding up the hand like to keep quiet or keep a secret. It startled me because at first glance that child looks a lot like Gabriel (to me anyway) - I went and rechecked his picture about 2-3 times. The FB pic is beautiful but also a bit haunting.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Staff online

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
219
Guests online
304
Total visitors
523

Forum statistics

Threads
609,122
Messages
18,249,824
Members
234,540
Latest member
Tenuta92
Back
Top