AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #11

[mck16]

A lot of questions about the specific circumstances of the night she disappeared.

I asked that question because I have seen their interviews and I cannot recall those questions. I just thought that maybe I missed them. Guess I will go back and listen again. thanks.

 

[gliving]

Omg. Could you find a more stereotypical "molester" vehicle? (No disrespect to anyone who drives such a vehicle...my dad used to! But, um, he didn't follow young girls at suspiciously low speeds.)

"The girl described the van to police as a clean white, commercial style van with no windows around the backside with dark tinted windows on the driver and passenger windows."

Yep, that's creepy.

 

[Lava]

And those facts would be part of the ongoing investigation.

If LE wont comment on this the family certainly isnt going to jepordize the investigation.

IMO

And again, IMO, there have been cases where LE won't comment on specifics, but the people involved have been able to. It all comes down to who made the call for the family to not answer those questions, and why. There are several scenarios for that, and I think many people have discussed them.

 

[SmoothOperator]

A lot of questions about the specific circumstances of the night she disappeared.

Exactly my point made in my above post.. LE tells you they can NOT comment due to the investigation.. So why would the parents have any other answer but that same exact answer THAT THEY CANNOT COMMENT.. THRY CANNOT ANSWER..LE HAS STATED WHY.. WHY IS HARD OR DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND WHEN THIS SAME ANSWER COMES FROM THE PARENTS?

 

[Lava]

Exactly my point made in my above post.. LE tells you they can comment due to the investigation.. So why would the parents have any other answer but that same exact answer THAT THEY CANNOT COMMENT.. THRY CANNOT ANSWER..LE HAS STATED WHY.. WHY IS HARD OR DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND WHEN THIS SAME ANSWER COMES FROM THE PARENTS?

Respectfully, I would appreciate if you would read my previous posts regarding this issue and tone down the caps (it is considered yelling). It is not hard or difficult to understand the parents answers. There are just several different scenarios for the parents answer.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

And again, IMO, there have been cases where LE won't comment on specifics, but the people involved have been able to. It all comes down to who made the call for the family to not answer those questions, and why. There are several scenarios for that, and I think many people have discussed them.

Which families have discussed specific details?

If I was LE I would be highly upset if family members did such a reckless thing.

There are things in every investigation that LE does not want the public nor the media to know. If not, they would tell them. If someone revealed detailed information I cant imagine any LE being pleased.

Marlene Lamar is stating the very same thing as the Celis family. Imo, that is the safe way to be because a perp could be out there listening and could learn what LE and the family knows about things that were found that he may think he covered up well but didnt.

Now I know that some have rushed out to say they passed a poly or said they failed or have been told they failed like Ruthie Lunsford and Steve Greone were told they failed yet both were totally innocent. But not everyone comes out and toots their own horn about passing polys. Mark Lunsford didnt even though he passed and there have been others and really its no one's business except LE and the people taking them.

 

[mck16]

And again, IMO, there have been cases where LE won't comment on specifics, but the people involved have been able to. It all comes down to who made the call for the family to not answer those questions, and why. There are several scenarios for that, and I think many people have discussed them.

The simple sad truth is that if the parents did comment on facts pertaining to the investigation no one would believe their answers. That is obvious here. They have said what time Isa went to bed. They have said what she was wearing. They have said there was no one there except immediate family. They have said there was no party. They have told what happened when they got home from the game and the time they got home from the game. And yet, people are still questioning their answers. jmo and :moo: .

 

[dimples37398]

It says a lot to me that Breeann's parents were in the media as soon as possible, even if they failed the lie detector tests, they were still on the tv begging for her return and admitting to failing the lie detector even if they didn't know why they failed. They didn't seem to care at all about scrutiny from anyone.

 

[Ransom]

Exactly my point made in my above post.. LE tells you they can comment due to the investigation.. So why would the parents have any other answer but that same exact answer THAT THEY CANNOT COMMENT.. THRY CANNOT ANSWER..LE HAS STATED WHY.. WHY IS HARD OR DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND WHEN THIS SAME ANSWER COMES FROM THE PARENTS?

Because the absolute easiest thing in the world is to blame the ones closest to the MP case. In THIS case, at this point in time, the easiest thing is to blame Sergio and Rebecca (either/or/both).

Look up twice, blink 4 times, turn around touch the ground = guilt. You know all that "stuff". :moo: LE won't answer. Parents won't answer = guilt.

I *think* the parents are protecting the case as LE wanted them to do. But what do I know?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Respectfully, I would appreciate if you would read my previous posts regarding this issue and tone down the caps (it is considered yelling). It is not hard or difficult to understand the parents answers. There are just several different scenarios for the parents answer.

What are the several different scenarios for the parents, Lava, if I may ask?

 

[Ransom]

Respectfully, I would appreciate if you would read my previous posts regarding this issue and tone down the caps (it is considered yelling). It is not hard or difficult to understand the parents answers. There are just several different scenarios for the parents answer.

That is Smooth's style here at WS. She isn't yelling at anyone. :moo: Been here and posting with her for years.

What scenarios? IF (oops caps there and not yelling 'cuz I'm on my iPad or I would bold, but I can't) I may ask?

 

[cluciano63]

"The girl described the van to police as a clean white, commercial style van with no windows around the backside with dark tinted windows on the driver and passenger windows."

Yep, that's creepy.

It is creepy, but does not seem to be the same type of person who would take a child from inside her house...JMO

 

[Lava]

So I don't have to continue to reply to several people over the same thing, I will try and make this very clear.

When I talk about the family not answering certain questions, and why, these are just scenarios - one of which is also LE telling them not to answer them. However, since that seems to be the obvious one, the one most people talk about, I do like to bring up other possible scenarios. It doesn't mean they are 100% right, and everyone else is wrong, it just means that these are scenarios. None of us know for certain which ones are true.

Lets take the polygraph as an example. Possible reasons the family might not be talking about the results:

• LE told them not to
  
• LE left it up to them and they don't want to
  1. They want to stick with what LE is saying
  2. They Failed
  3. They passed but don't want any possible suspect that might be close to them knowing.
• They don't have the results

These are all just scenarios that I think should all be considered. In my opinion LE has protocol about what to talk about and not talk about. Yes they would probably be angry if the family talked about something that they didn't want to be talked about - but it happens. We don't know what LE has said - we just hear from the family "we can't talk about that" - the discussion should be about why they can't talk about it, which is where these scenarios come in. :moo:

 

[cluciano63]

Ayla's mom, as well as Kyron's mom, at times, have said things straight to the media...and later LE has confirmed them, in one way or another. JMO

 

[Lava]

That is Smooth's style here at WS. She isn't yelling at anyone. :moo: Been here and posting with her for years.

What scenarios? IF (oops caps there and not yelling 'cuz I'm on my iPad or I would bold, but I can't) I may ask?

I understand all caps for a word or statement to take the place of bold or italics, but done in the way it was, could be considered yelling especially if someone isn't used to someone elses style.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

When I came on line tonight I read a post and now I cant even remember the poster that brought it up but since I read it I cant stop thinking about what they said.

But it was about the Celis family being away from their home that night until late.

That would be plenty of time to take a screen off and come in the window and throw treats to the dogs in order to case the place out and hide in the home undetected.

Someone that knew the Celis family would be at the ballpark that night perhaps?

imo

 

[mck16]

So I don't have to continue to reply to several people over the same thing, I will try and make this very clear.

When I talk about the family not answering certain questions, and why, these are just scenarios - one of which is also LE telling them not to answer them. However, since that seems to be the obvious one, the one most people talk about, I do like to bring up other possible scenarios. It doesn't mean they are 100% right, and everyone else is wrong, it just means that these are scenarios. None of us know for certain which ones are true.

Lets take the polygraph as an example. Possible reasons the family might not be talking about the results:

• LE told them not to
  
• LE left it up to them and they don't want to
  1. They want to stick with what LE is saying
  2. They Failed
  3. They passed but don't want any possible suspect that might be close to them knowing.
• They don't have the results

These are all just scenarios that I think should all be considered. In my opinion LE has protocol about what to talk about and not talk about. Yes they would probably be angry if the family talked about something that they didn't want to be talked about - but it happens. We don't know what LE has said - we just hear from the family "we can't talk about that" - the discussion should be about why they can't talk about it, which is where these scenarios come in. :moo:

Okay thanks. In all the cases I have followed here at WS it seems that the poly is the only thing parents, etc. have been able to comment on. Maybe the parents did fail and don't know how common it is for innocent people to fail, don't want to admit this. I can understand this. I would have a hard time admitting to this myself. This is my opinion on this scenario. Thanks for your post. jmo Wow how many times did I type 'this'. Sorry.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Question.. Exactly how in the hell-o is the public/media knowing the answer to..
who, if anyone tucked Isa into bed?..
Who was the person that made the 8:14am 911 call?
Who all was in the home that night?
When did Becky go to sleep?

What good does it do the media/public to receive these answers?! Other than to quell our curiosity.. Or further prove or not some armchair sleuthers theory.. How does the media/public knowing these answers help find Isa?? Help bring Isa home??.. It doesn't.. We do know the answer to who made the call.. Not only was it early on known in the scanner, but articles have reported that it was Sergio who made the 911 call.. How exactly does that help that us, the public know Sergio made that call?? How does it help bring Isa home?? It doesn't..

We know only family home.. And what's that got us any closer to bringing Isa home?.. No.. Is it an answer to one of questions yes but how is that in any way making a hill of beans difference in bringing Isa home!!? It hasn't..

We know that Becky went to bed first.. How does that help us, the public knowing that .. How is that in any way helping to bring Isa home??.. It doesn't.. So how is us getting the exact specific time that Becky went to bed first gonna help bring Isa home?? .. It's not gonna make a damn bit of difference except to possibly mark off questions that an armchair sleuther wants known to further their theory..

And I totally get that, "that" is exactly what a forum like this is for.. To armchair sleuth and theorize but in real life where it matters how does the public knowing these specific answers help find and bring Isa home?? It doesn't.. The keeping her face in the media and her story out there that she's still missing is what can possibly help bring Isa home..

So, while I totally understand why many "want" answers to those questions that IMO is dangerously different from these parents lying and with holding information to hinder their child's being found.. That's dangerously different AND IS NOT WHAT IS GOING ON HERE!!! LE has never so much as hinted to this family not being 100+% cooperative.. This family not quelling our curiosities IS NOTHING REMOTELY SIMILAR TO THEIR SOMEHOW BEING "bad", "wrong", lying or hiding from LE.. LE has never remotely alluded to that and that is what IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER that our curiosity not being quelled DOES NOT EQUAL THESE PARENTS BEING LIARS, HIDING IMPORTANT FACTS, HINDERING THE INVESTIGATION.. They are dangerously different and IMO that definitely needs to remembered and understand as the reality of the situation here and not just what's best for us, as sleuthers..


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[cluciano63]

When I came on line tonight I read a post and now I cant even remember the poster that brought it up but since I read it I cant stop thinking about what they said.

But it was about the Celis family being away from their home that night until late.

That would be plenty of time to take a screen off and come in the window and throw treats to the dogs in order to case the place out and hide in the home undetected.

Someone that knew the Celis family would be at the ballpark that night perhaps?

imo

But why not hide the screen? They wouldn't know if the first thing the dad did, for example, was to go in the yard with the dogs, and then he would see the screen, not to mention see anything wrong with the dogs, and either call the police or search the house with a loaded gun, for all the perp knew...JMO Or maybe he went outside to check the windows every night...no way of knowing...JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It says a lot to me that Breeann's parents were in the media as soon as possible, even if they failed the lie detector tests, they were still on the tv begging for her return and admitting to failing the lie detector even if they didn't know why they failed. They didn't seem to care at all about scrutiny from anyone.

I really dont think any of these parents care about the scrutny they get from strangers and usually that is where it comes from. Sure it has got to hurt them that some think the worst of them, but I think they just go on with trying to find their missing child and doesnt let the chatter interfere with that goal.

I dont fault the Celis family for not coming forth immediately. Kaine Horman didnt even come before the media until over a week after Kryon went missing. I think each family are individuals and may be too distraught at first to come forward.

IMO