AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #11

[Isabelle]

Well, I guess I can think of ONE scenario. not leaving any forensic evidence behind could possibly be the work of a person, or persons who are well versed in abductions and kidnapping...MOO Almost professional. MOO

What did Isabel's brother say to the storekeeper ? " She has been kidnapped " I am guessing that he heard this from SC. MOO

This is, IMO, what the "sensitive information " is all about...

Not good at all

Agree, and that the sensitivity of the information is that they have none because none was left behind!

 

[Boodles]

Ya got that right! It didn't take long for the merchandising to begin. Website set up when Isabel had only been missing for nine days! The parents said that they would never stop looking for their daughter. Sounds like they're in this for the long "haul" Cha-ching. :twocents:

Where is Isabel?

And they even take Paypal!

 

[LisaB]

Speaking of that video, they said they made a mistake and that it was actually a video from the Saturday night after Isa went missing. Many have said that the whole street was closed off. Was this particular area where the video recorded closed off as well?

The way I am thinking is perhaps that guy who was night crawling might have been spying on what LE were doing and was watching the house.

There is a post or tree that appears in the video which was wrapped in crime scene tape on Saturday. This is the general area where the "Command Center" was. Some of the tape was still on the post when one of our locals drove by last week, but there is no sign of it, LE, media, flashing lights or ANYTHING in the video that convinces me that it was from the day after the abduction. Presumably LE would be aware of this (it was THEIR tape and THEIR command center), and if they were at all thorough, they would have watched past the point where she was reported missing and people came out to look for her... if the tape was fromt he next day, they would not only NOT see the people walking around and LE arrive, but would see churchgoers arriving at St. Joseph's at about that time instead. If it was the following day, LE would have KNOWN that and would not have released it. I believe it was from the previous weekend if it was NOT actually the Friday night/Saturday morning video. It can't have been any day since then, based on the continued presence of the crime scene tape from the day Isa was taken until after the tape was released.

 

[LisaB]

The one thing that just keeps buggin me in Sergio's interview is when he said in a soft voice, "No, daddy, I'm tired" and walked on by. You get the impression she just walked past him into oblivion...and he did nothinng.

I wish I could get a visual on that but I can't. Where did she go? What did she do? Walked by what? He seems to just give us bits but not create an entire picture. He had enough time to do it but chose not to. I find him odd with a strange linguistic style. I don't feel this has to do with Hispanic culture either. I don't even know if Becky is Hispanic. Her maiden name certainly wasn't. Sergio appears to be very well integrated in the american culture...imo. His response to questions is vague and impressionistic...filled with adverbs.

SOMETHING about this was bugging me too. I think I have an idea what it is. What about a hug and/or kiss goodnight. I believe Isabel was an extremely affectionate little girl. Why would she just walk on by without giving Daddy a hug? Why didn't he hug her, scoop her up, and carry her to bed? I don't doubt that a 6 year-old can put herself to bed, but generally there is SOME sort of parental involvement... even if the child coaxes it "Come read me a story" or "Please tuck me in and turn out my light" or "Daddy, can you check to be sure there isn't a monster hiding in my closet?"

 

[LisaB]

I guess that is what most people will think, but Sergio didn't tell us that. No one has said who put her to bed. Are you saying that those two just sat there and let her wonder off to go to her bedroom and tuck herself in? Remember, all they keep telling us is how loving and how much they hold their kids, and how they hug their kids and tell them they love them ad nauseum.

....yet, she just walks by and tucks herself into bed?

His response was to what was Isa doing the last time you saw her?...or something to that effect.

Rebecca was originally reported to have gone to bed before Isabel, but Sergio stated that she braided Isa's hair, after which Isa walked by (him?) on her way to bed, declining his offer of something to eat. At most, Becky was in bed a minute or two before Isabel, but not long.

Sergio's reaction to Isabel was not what I'd have expected. I'd have thought that if he was willing to fix food for her, he'd also be involved enough to want to put her to bed, especially if she normally stayed with her brothers and was going to be in her own room that night.

 

[AnaTeresa]

SOMETHING about this was bugging me too. I think I have an idea what it is. What about a hug and/or kiss goodnight. I believe Isabel was an extremely affectionate little girl. Why would she just walk on by without giving Daddy a hug? Why didn't he hug her, scoop her up, and carry her to bed? I don't doubt that a 6 year-old can put herself to bed, but generally there is SOME sort of parental involvement... even if the child coaxes it "Come read me a story" or "Please tuck me in and turn out my light" or "Daddy, can you check to be sure there isn't a monster hiding in my closet?"

These things very much vary by child. I was fiercely independent at that age - I could read on my own and wanted to be treated as if I were a big kid. So it was definitely more along the lines of "No, I can do it myself!" I really don't think we can make any solid judgments as it pertains to the case from this info since kids' personalities vary so much.

 

[mck16]

That post was brought over from an earlier thread, and was originally posted by Pensfan. It was saying that their earlier home address was found on a list of foreclosed homes.

I think the confusion was how it was saved, if it was so close to foreclosure.
My only question, comes after their long speech about never needing any financial help or ever having to borrow money. How else would they get one home out of foreclosure and land so quickly into a new one, without help or borrowing some money? I guess it just seems odd, to be able to get a bank loan to buy a home after just being in foreclosure one year earlier.

I beieve they were responding to the question if they had ever borrowed money from family or friends. And RC said 'no' we know better than that. She didn't say they had never borrowed money. jmo

 

[mck16]

Rebecca was originally reported to have gone to bed before Isabel, but Sergio stated that she braided Isa's hair, after which Isa walked by (him?) on her way to bed, declining his offer of something to eat. At most, Becky was in bed a minute or two before Isabel, but not long.

Sergio's reaction to Isabel was not what I'd have expected. I'd have thought that if he was willing to fix food for her, he'd also be involved enough to want to put her to bed, especially if she normally stayed with her brothers and was going to be in her own room that night.

They had just spent hours with each other at the baseball park. It was late and everyone was tired. I don't see anything unusual about her going to bed event. jmo

 

[Isabelle]

If George Zimmerman could have a Paypal account for donations, certainly the Celis' can have one too. If they collect enough money to allow them not to have to return to work anytime soon, more power to them. Both parents are in careers that require full mental concentration; errors in their work could be devastating not only to the people they are caring for but themselves and their remaining family. Cindy Anthony didn't go back to work and she still hasn't returned!

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I wonder if LE's words.."adequate job...covering up thing we could look at"...has anything to do with the camera not working and/or being faced upward? Just thinking of the words "look at."

:seeya: That is a good possibility ...

I sure wish it was known how long that camera has NOT been working and HOW LONG it has been facing upwards ...

Hmmm ... I wonder if the "neighbor" who was interviewed on Nancy Grace's Show noticed this camera, how long it has been pointed up, down ... ?

:doh: She did say she didn't want to be "nosey" ...

:moo::moo::moo:

 

[Mendara]

Rebecca was originally reported to have gone to bed before Isabel, but Sergio stated that she braided Isa's hair, after which Isa walked by (him?) on her way to bed, declining his offer of something to eat. At most, Becky was in bed a minute or two before Isabel, but not long.

Sergio's reaction to Isabel was not what I'd have expected. I'd have thought that if he was willing to fix food for her, he'd also be involved enough to want to put her to bed, especially if she normally stayed with her brothers and was going to be in her own room that night.

maybe he was in the kitchen eating something or fixing something to eat and she walked by and he asked her is she wanted some, she said no daddy and went to bed. perhaps his story wasnt full, but that is what I pictured.

 

[LisaB]

It seems like she must have, because her Dad went to her room to wake her up, didn't he?

He may have gone to her room to wake her because he assumed she was in there (as we did). Or he may have checked in the boys' room first, where he would NORMALLY find her, and when she was not there, went to check her bed, in case she had gotten into it during the night.

 

[LisaB]

It is hard for me to believe that he could have been hiding in the girls room when the family came home. I don't think the dogs would have ignored the fact that a stranger was hiding in the closet when the family came back home.

IF it was a stranger, I agree.

 

[cluciano63]

Just now or not now?

Just now...re: Sierra

 

[LisaB]

If the celis' are not staying at home...but the dogs are (based on the video of the neighbor opening the door(gate?) and the dog is visible)...I wonder if they have a doggy door. Or are the dogs being kept in the house/yard full time. I wonder because I would be uncomfortable leaving my dog alone in a house for an undetermined amount of time, or a yard for an undetermined amount of time. Some doggy doors are big enough that you can reach an arm in to unlock a doorknob.

And while I was typing this Rebeccas statement of "We don't want to screw something else up" (or something similar) keeps playing in my head. Maybe guilt for having the doggy door?

I don't KNOW this, but WONDER if people living there HAVE doggy doors, since it seems they have walls to keep out wild animals... would they want to risk one entering through the doggy door? Furthermore, they were terribly concerned about returning eith the boys before teh chemicals had been cleaned up... would they let their pets go in and out of the house where these chemicals are? And would LE, having asked the family to leave the premises so they could search, have allowed the dogs to be wandering in and out of the house while they were working, and potentially disturbing "evidence" of some kind?

Things that make you go... huh?

 

[LisaB]

BBM

Yeah, same here.

You're probably right, but I was just thinking if I'm the criminal and I'm keeping a close eye on the case, I would be angry if someone called my work "adequate". JMO

I'd be THRILLED.

It's as if they came out and said "You win. We tried, but you did a good enough job of covering up that we are unlikely to find you."

I might even let my guard down a little and do something stupid.

 

[AnaTeresa]

Adequate is such a loaded word - it can really be interpreted differently depending on the person. It makes me wonder if that was deliberately chosen, perhaps because of feedback given by the BAU.

 

[LisaB]

I went to go wash some dishes so I could think about on NBC paying for the Celis' hotel room. The way I read it was that NBC has been paying for this hotel room for them, not just for the interview, but for the Celis' to stay in.

I understand why networks do this: To get exclusives, first dibs, build a relationship with the family for future story opportunities.

To an extent I can also understand why families do this, and I couldn't say either way whether I would do the same - although I do the draw the line at some point. I don't think pictures and videos should be sold of a missing child, as I think everyone should have access to whatever you are putting out there, for the sake of getting that childs picture to as many people as possible.

However, the Celis' weren't completely truthful when it came to answering the question of compensation. Maybe they didn't view it as compensation, but I think that would be pretty naive of them. The fact is, NBC is paying for their hotel room, and NBC got their first interview.


Edit to expand on thoughts: The reason I have a problem with those statements is that they portrayed themselves to be people who wouldn't receive compensation, or didn't, and people who were taking care of themselves financially and had no reason to receive compensation. To make it clear: This does not mean they are guilty or not - but some might view it as lying about something they didn't need to lie about. And if they lie about that...

So, given this, there are two statements I have a problem with. #1 saying they received no compensation. #2 saying they didn't need financial help, that they were fine.

Years ago we had a house fire. The insurance company put us in an apartment for 2 months while our house was repaired/rebuilt. But we were not getting a "free ride" as we still had to pay our mortgage for those two months, along with utility bills, while staying elsewhere in "lesser accommodations (the apartment was half the size of our house at most).
The Celis family is staying in a hotel, perhaps in a suite, but perhaps just in adjoining rooms. It is probably NOT as nice as being home, and they must continue to pay their mortgage and utilities while they are out of the house. Even though they are not paying the hotel bill, they are apparently trying to have the home cleaned ASAP so they can return.

 

[Thinkzerz]

Whats the website url? The one about Isabel that the parents have made.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

Adequate is such a loaded word - it can really be interpreted differently depending on the person. It makes me wonder if that was deliberately chosen, perhaps because of feedback given by the BAU.

Would the BAU/LE really risk antagonising the perp if they believe Isabel is alive? (if it is a stranger abduction)

I hope not.

I really can't make head nor tail about what is going on in this case but I feel there is a cat and mouse game going on.