AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #13

[Patty G]

Not sure if it is known here yet, but the Today Show is saying "it is Sergio" that must stay away from the children.

 

[Donjeta]

Yes, it was reported that RC spent Mother's Day with her sons.

In this video the reporter says that they separated at the request of CPS.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=95YapPAyrSw

(Request?)

Did anyone see the report at 10 pm?

 

[azwildcat]

Not sure if it is known here yet, but the Today Show is saying "it is Sergio" that must stay away from the children.

I was thinking that it was him as well, though nothing I've read has confirmed that. However, this article makes it seems as though BC has the kids since she was at the house gathering things for the boys.
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/...abel-celis-deals-with-tragedy-on-motherss-day

 

[nursebeeme]

I was thinking that it was him as well, though nothing I've read has confirmed that. However, this article makes it seems as though BC has the kids since she was at the house gathering things for the boys.
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/...abel-celis-deals-with-tragedy-on-motherss-day

ita.. and the video that was posted upstream shows her boys right there with her.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

SC appears a little on the effeminate side to me, but I do not see it as a negative. He also like music and opera. In mafia movies, they often show the gangsters listening to opera! LOL

I know this will irk some, but I do not find him particularly well spoken. In stressful times, well worked words can be very difficult - they are for me. Having said that, I don't take off points for his speech. But I find a lot of his and RC's wording hard to understand. Not JUST the Celis', but many people today.

SC said "I will never stop finding her" using "finding" for "searching" or "looking for her." Finding means you have found it, not still seeking it out. It is not a transition from Spanish to English that does it either. I am fluent in Spanish and the word for "finding" and "searching" are different. Word mix ups such as "borrow" is used to mean both "borrow" and "lend". This kind of wording makes it difficult for me to understand the first time around, and also harder to determine deception. It is unintentional, and both parents are fluent in both languages. Fluent actually means they can speak with ease, but the vocabulary does not suggest higher education. Mom has only an AAS, a two year degree.

What kind of work does Sergio do?

BBM
$64,000.00 Question!...

 

[~n/t~]

I was thinking that it was him as well, though nothing I've read has confirmed that. However, this article makes it seems as though BC has the kids since she was at the house gathering things for the boys.
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/...abel-celis-deals-with-tragedy-on-motherss-day

Thanks for the link. Yes, there was an article posted that SC is the one who has a no contact order with his sons. I believe it was an ABC News article.

So there will be a news conference today at 2:00. Hopefully, we'll hear more about it.

 

[~n/t~]

Isabel Celis: Missing Tucson Girl's Father Barred From Contact With Her Brothers

(TUSCON, Ariz.) -- The father of missing Tucson 6-year-old Isabel Celis has been told by authorities he cannot have contact with the girl's two older brothers, who are now in the custody of their mother Rebecca, ABC News has learned.

A source close to the investigation said the development does not mean that investigators are turning their focus on Sergio Celis in the disappearance of his daughter. A police statement released Friday said it is "common practice for CPS [Child Protective Services] to become involved in investigations regarding missing children."

Calls to Sergio Celis and his wife -- who are no longer living together -- were not returned today. Other family members reached by phone refused to comment.

http://www.kgoam810.com/rssItem.asp?feedid=118&itemid=29847527

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

That is wise. False confessions are an epidemic in my profession, they happen more than people want to admit. You stand ZERO CHANCE even as an innocent person, against seasoned interrogators who are trained to confuse and disorient you to the point you say things you dont even realize you are saying. An attorney is there to prevent that, not hide the truth or get you to not cooperate but to make sure that the playing field is level and that you are not tricked by professional tricksters.

BBM

I wish ALL lawyers felt that way1:rocker:

 

[southsleuth]

BBM
$64,000.00 Question!...

I'm sure he works in a dental office at or near the TMS. It was posted earlier that he was a hygenist but some are saying he's more like an assistant or receptionist. Ca't find the quote, not enough hot tea yet! Morning!

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Yes, it was reported that RC spent Mother's Day with her sons.

In this video the reporter says that they separated at the request of CPS.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=95YapPAyrSw

(Request?)

Did anyone see the report at 10 pm?

From what I know, that is usually more of an ultimatum than a "request". It is usually, we request that this person not be around the children, otherwise we will file a court motion to take custody of the children. This happened to my friend's sister, who has her issues to be sure. One of the many drug dealing felons she has dated over the years beat her up and the LE who responded called CPS in to follow up with the family. I don't know exactly what grounds they found him unfit on (probably multiple), but they gave her that ultimatum.

I've heard people here say that it must be something pretty bad that LE dug up because even Josh Powell had visits with his kids. However, the flip side could be true too....that BECAUSE Josh Powell had visits with his kids and did what he did, CPS is erring on the side of caution in another high profile case with a missing family member. The whole thing is pretty bizarre.

 

[FrayedKnot]

BBM

I wish ALL lawyers felt that way1:rocker:

I know I would be retaining a lawyer asap. Even innocent people need help navigating unfamiliar waters.

And honestly, statistically a parent is gonna be first on the list of people to look at, especially in a case like Isa's.

I understand LE has a child to find and if my child were missing, I'd expect them to go balls out and find her quick. But I also know that if I had no part in it, I would cooperate fully with LE, under counsel, and get myself cleared so LE can focus on other leads.

JMO.


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[nursebeeme]

I'm sure he works in a dental office at or near the TMS. It was posted earlier that he was a hygenist but some are saying he's more like an assistant or receptionist. Ca't find the quote, not enough hot tea yet! Morning!

on the interview they did (40 plus minutes) he said he is a dental surgical assistant
http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/

(video is at complete coverage)

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

My first mother's day as a doting rescue mom! Thank you, BDE! Enjoying some quiet time with Mr Whiskers right now. :cat:

Happy First Mother's Day with Mr. Whiskers...
Our furry babies are VERY important to us! :heart:

 

[curiousc]

From what I know, that is usually more of an ultimatum than a "request". It is usually, we request that this person not be around the children, otherwise we will file a court motion to take custody of the children. This happened to my friend's sister, who has her issues to be sure. One of the many drug dealing felons she has dated over the years beat her up and the LE who responded called CPS in to follow up with the family. I don't know exactly what grounds they found him unfit on (probably multiple), but they gave her that ultimatum.

I've heard people here say that it must be something pretty bad that LE dug up because even Josh Powell had visits with his kids. However, the flip side could be true too....that BECAUSE Josh Powell had visits with his kids and did what he did, CPS is erring on the side of caution in another high profile case with a missing family member. The whole thing is pretty bizarre.

You are correct about the ultimatum. CPS probably stated to mom and dad why they want the children away from the dad. Probably told mom that if she didn't comply her children would be taken from her care too. I think then Sergio voluntarily agreed and mom agreed to it too.

With that said, I've a feeling there will be a lawyer hired very soon!

 

[FrayedKnot]

From what I know, that is usually more of an ultimatum than a "request". It is usually, we request that this person not be around the children, otherwise we will file a court motion to take custody of the children. This happened to my friend's sister, who has her issues to be sure. One of the many drug dealing felons she has dated over the years beat her up and the LE who responded called CPS in to follow up with the family. I don't know exactly what grounds they found him unfit on (probably multiple), but they gave her that ultimatum.

I've heard people here say that it must be something pretty bad that LE dug up because even Josh Powell had visits with his kids. However, the flip side could be true too....that BECAUSE Josh Powell had visits with his kids and did what he did, CPS is erring on the side of caution in another high profile case with a missing family member. The whole thing is pretty bizarre.

That may be the case with the No Contact thing, and I totally get it if it is. Everything about this case is dodgy and if there was even the slightest inkling the SC was unstable, then I say "take no chances".

My Libertarian head struggles with my preschool teacher's heart when it comes to individual rights and government infringement in cases like these. But when it comes to protecting children, I am willing to allow some inconvenience. JMO


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[TxLady2]

In the state of PA, if an adult is accused of domestic violence, CPS gives two choices:
1. non-offending parent can keep the children at home, BUT the offending parent must move out immediately. In 72 hours (weekends don't count as hours), there is a hearing in family court. Dad could be granted supervised visits at this time or the judge could even throw out this CPS case depending on CPS's evidence. Dad will not be allowed to speak at this hearing. This hearing ONLY allows CPS to present their case.
2. The parents can turn their children over to CPS which = foster care if a suitable relative is not immediately identified.

CPS can't force the offending parent to move out, but they can take their kids (with an emergency court order) if the offender doesn't move out/end immediate contact. The parents make the choice. To keep the children from ending up in temporary foster care, the offending parent almost always moves out.

Pensfan
verified psychiatric mental health nurse

Yes, I know for certain that's the way it goes in several other states as well.

 

[WillenFan21]

Isabel Celis: Missing Tucson Girl's Father Barred From Contact With Her Brothers




http://www.kgoam810.com/rssItem.asp?feedid=118&itemid=29847527

Oh this doesn't sound good at all. I wonder what influenced this decision? IMO it had to be something big and with the investigation bc the mother has them in her custody.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Interesting...but if he does gamble, wouldn't it be in a casino.or casinos ? Legal gambling ? And,AFAIK, they use collection agencies for money owed to them. Gambling is so corporate now... as a kid in NY we had a neighbor who "collected " money owed to nefarious people, and he tended to get physical...but, I do believe it is not like that any more...JMO

It was just a thought at the time...

But it could explain some things.

IDK

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well according to this article it is not about the endangerment of the two boys. When that happens CPS has to SERVE an order to remove the children and it seems like it was voluntarily done between CPS and the parents.

CPS "instituted certain measures to ensure the continued welfare" of the children, police said. Police would not elaborate on what measures were taken or what led to the action.

Pacheco said the move was driven by the ongoing investigation of Isabel's disappearance.

Police officers did not have to serve a temporary custody notice, he said.

That's when children are taken from their parents because they are endangered.

"We just wanted CPS to come in and perform an assessment based on information from detectives," he said.


Read more: http://azstarnet.com/news/local/cri...0be-5d95-8b33-f3eb7b22b0f2.html#ixzz1uqjYukMo

 

[TxLady2]

Personally, as LDTs are not admissible in court, I believe they have no place in investigations. I think anything that is so open to interpretation has no business being given credence. MOO

I think statement analysis is hooey, too!


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I agree with you. Cops use LDT's more as intimidation than anything else, in some cases. If the family refuses to take one, they then put pressure on them and tell them it's the only way to clear them, which is false. They cannot clear anyone by a LDT. One can only be cleared by providing indisputable proof that they were somewhere else at the time of the crime.

I also agree about the statement analysis thing. I put about as much stock in those as I do a psychic's ramblings. That's why I stay away from these blogs where these "experts" have the case all figured out but there's never an arrest. pfffffffffffttt.