AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #13

[pieper4]

@ Gitana1... how long would it usually take the court here to show a RO/No Contact order online? Or are those protected from public domain access?

 

[Okay then]

I keep going back to the day RC, SC and son returned to the home. Events that have followed have disturbed me. Then there is the, "secret undercover object...covered by a towel" present in SC's return to the home. Me thinks SC was presented with "Forensic" evidence of a crime. jmo

 

[butterfly1978]

Why are we assuming it is SC. Remember RC was the first to leave the next morning has it been conformed that she ever showed up at work?

 

[gitana1]

@ Gitana1... how long would it usually take the court here to show a RO/No Contact order online? Or are those protected from public domain access?

A no contact order issued by the police would not show up online, I believe. A safety plan from CPS including a no-contact order would never be public in any way. If LE issued some sort of no contact order, typically, it last until the following court calendar days, or 24 hours to two days or so later. At that time, the parent, guardian or CPS is expected to file an action in court to seek a court order making the safety plan or the LE temporary no contact order, more permanent. The initial hearing could take longer to occur if CPS yanked the kids into state custody (care for those overseas), depending on the state.
I would expect court action to occur early next week, Monday or Tuesday.

If you recall the Michelle Parker case, the kids were yanked from the father by CPS, a hearing was held a bit over 24 hours or so later, IIRC, and at that hearing, it was determined that there was not a sufficient showing to keep the kids from their father's custody, and in state care. So, they were returned and the courts overrode CPS. Something similar could happen here, depending on the facts of the case. It would be more likely if CPS is involved in keeping Sergio from the kids, than if LE is, because it is easier to get such orders in the context of a DV case, which is usually the context when LE issues emergency no contact orders.

 

[pieper4]

A no contact order issued by the police would not show up online, I believe. A safety plan from CPS including a no-contact order would never be public in any way. If LE issued some sort of no contact order, typically, it last until the following court calendar days, or 24 hours to two days or so later. At that time, the parent, guardian or CPS is expected to file an action in court to seek a court order making the safety plan or the LE temporary no contact order, more permanent. The initial hearing could take longer to occur if CPS yanked the kids into state custody (care for those overseas), depending on the state.
I would expect court action to occur early next week, Monday or Tuesday.

If you recall the Michelle Parker case, the kids were yanked from the father by CPS, a hearing was held a bit over 24 hours or so later, IIRC, and at that hearing, it was determined that there was not a sufficient showing to keep the kids from their father's custody, and in state care. So, they were returned and the courts overrode CPS. Something similar could happen here, depending on the facts of the case. It would be more likely if CPS is involved in keeping Sergio from the kids, than if LE is, because it is easier to get such orders in the context of a DV case, which is usually the context when LE issues emergency no contact orders.

Thank you so much for your thorough answer. I really appreciate it!

I know nothing about other/similar cases. I only follow this one because I live here.

 

[pieper4]

Why are we assuming it is SC. Remember RC was the first to leave the next morning has it been conformed that she ever showed up at work?

Nothing (or nearly nothing) has EVER been confirmed. Sadly.

 

[carole]

Why are we assuming it is SC. Remember RC was the first to leave the next morning has it been conformed that she ever showed up at work?

BBM

We have this article from abc news stating that it is SC who is barred from seeing the boys.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/isabel-cel...barred-contact/story?id=16334922#.T68-dMX5lBk

The video is not current, its from early in the case. The article below it is dated 5-12.

 

[Whisperer]

I keep going back to the day RC, SC and son returned to the home. Events that have followed have disturbed me. Then there is the, "secret undercover object...covered by a towel" present in SC's return to the home. Me thinks SC was presented with "Forensic" evidence of a crime. jmo

Maybe LE removed a gun they found in the home.

 

[claudicici]

I'm just floored by these latest news.Up to now I've been giving the parents the benefit of a doubt.I really did not think this would turn out to be one of the cases where the parents are involved! Yes,they've been acting "unsusual" but who know how one acts when faced with something so horrible?
I was leaning 100% towards someone connected to the uncle/cousin....but now I'm not so sure anymore....
...then again I'm reminded of the Keegan Schuchardt abduction that just happened here resently in my area and CPS took the fathers remaining kids and would not give the baby back for awhile because the dad failed a drug test....so maybe it's just something simple like that and really doesn't have to do anything with Isa's disappearance?
....but for the parents to be separated when they seemed "unseperable" mit really makes me think twice !!

 

[~n/t~]

ok this is the Daily Mail and I'm not sure how accurate they are but it does make me question whether the parents were indeed separated at the time Isabel "disappeared". If we remove mom from the home that night, do things start to make more sense?

<snipped minors names>, aged 10 and 14 respectively, are now in the exclusive custody of their mother Becky, who does not live with their father.
Isabel was at her father's house on the night she disappeared last month.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-father-Sergios-care.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

 

[~n/t~]

During the course of an investigation into the disappearance of a missing child, does LE usually make statements about cost? I don't think I've ever seen a case where cost was even an issue. Behind the scenes, perhaps, but to tell the public about how they're "tracking" the costs, is very bizarre, imo.

While the police department has said repeatedly that cost is not a factor, it's still part of the $138 million dollar budget and must be tracked.

"During the first four days of the investigation, the cost exceeded $340,000," says Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor.

Even though the final cost of the operation is still weeks away because it's still an active investigation with several officers and detectives still tracking down the more than 1,000 leads and tips, "I believe it's now exceeded $1 million," Villasenor says.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18248034/celis-investigation-tops-a-million-dollars

 

[cluciano63]

During the course of an investigation into the disappearance of a missing child, does LE usually make statements about cost? I don't think I've ever seen a case where cost was even an issue. Behind the scenes, perhaps, but to tell the public about how they're "tracking" the costs, is very bizarre, imo.



http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18248034/celis-investigation-tops-a-million-dollars

This came up several times in the Kyron Horman case..LE was always telling media how much they spent and if they did not tell, media was asking...the budget was a very big deal.

 

[Eileen730]

What the heck is going on in this case?
Im totally lost!

 

[~n/t~]

This came up several times in the Kyron Horman case..LE was always telling media how much they spent and if they did not tell, media was asking...the budget was a very big deal.

Thanks clu. I didn't follow Kryon's case. I suppose the taxpayers have a right to know but I wonder if it's also a strategy to let the perp know that if they're withholding information, not only will they be facing criminal charges for the disappearance but they will foot the bill for the investigation. Like they did in the Casey Anthony case. IIRC, LE and prosecutors went after her for what it cost for the investigation because she knew where Caylee was all along.

 

[~n/t~]

What the heck is going on in this case?
Im totally lost!

Join the club.

 

[Prof]

During the course of an investigation into the disappearance of a missing child, does LE usually make statements about cost? I don't think I've ever seen a case where cost was even an issue. Behind the scenes, perhaps, but to tell the public about how they're "tracking" the costs, is very bizarre, imo.



http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18248034/celis-investigation-tops-a-million-dollars

I noticed in every presser, LE was asked about the costs of the investigation. I think the press asked for it. It took some time to get it, too.

 

[Prof]

I would chalk up the daily mail thing to bad reporting.

 

[~n/t~]

I would chalk up the daily mail thing to bad reporting.

ok but it honestly starts to make a lot more sense (to me at least) if RC was not there that night and the whole CPS thing also.

Remember this:

Both parents live in the home, so police had no indication a child custody dispute was involved but weren't completely ruling it out.

"We don't want to be caught behind the ball by not exploring that possibility," Hawke said Saturday afternoon.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...ch-for-isabel-mercedes-celis-6-in-tucson?lite

 

[cluciano63]

Thanks clu. I didn't follow Kryon's case. I suppose the taxpayers have a right to know but I wonder if it's also a strategy to let the perp know that if they're withholding information, not only will they be facing criminal charges for the disappearance but they will foot the bill for the investigation. Like they did in the Casey Anthony case. IIRC, LE and prosecutors went after her for what it cost for the investigation because she knew where Caylee was all along.

I don't know...it became a big issue in Kyron's case as the sheriff's department had to request more money at one point and then some ridiculous amounts of OT paid were revealed (as much as $20K in a month for some officers) etc...so budget does come into it, especially when no results are forthcoming and even less info from LE...usually it is the press who asks so LE has to answer. I don't think LE brought it up. JMO

 

[LisaB]

Does she mention HIS birthday?

I am really lost about MR and SB, since I haven't seen the Facebook page. I have no clue who these people are.

On the previous thread, PAXIMUS mentioned wanting to see RC's FB page. It made me wander back over there to look around (which I'm still doing). I originally went to her page WAY back in the beginning when the topic of discussion was that their first interview/public announcement was only "odd" because english isn't their first language, so I was there just seeing what types of things she posted to get a feel for how true that was, etc.

I was hoping to find some little tid-bits of info that might be significant, but I guess I just saw the same things that have already been mentioned:
-Practically no mention of husband as far back as I can go. She mentions getting home from a dude ranch with him back in 2010, but then from that point forward (until present time) he's pretty much left out.
-She wishes all her children happy birthday each year on their birthdays (her oldest who appears to have been born only 3 months after they were married, not that I'm judging I was pregnant when I got married as well, just a piece of info I noticed), she wishes everyone happy mother's day each year, but you know what date never gets recognized....their anniversary. Mildly interesting right?

But really, aside from little updates here and there...you aren't missing much Paximus!