AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #18

[oceanblueeyes]

In looking at the house and set-up, what sort of stranger would wait till all the family is home and the dogs are outside to abduct a child? All the stars had to line up for this crime to have happenedl. There were people in all FOUR corners of the house. There was an inside dog and two outside dogs.

A teen boy had to be sound asleep on a Friday night or early morn. The other one also had to preoccupied or asleep. The father and mother both had to be asleep. There dogs had to be asleep and not hear a sound. Removing a screen and walking around the house with Isa while the father slept nearby is no easy feat. Not one adult heard a sound and all four corners of the house have a person in them.

Then we have the little problem of getting a child into a strange car and driving her away from her family. I see there is another home directly across the street from them. I have to wonder what they heard. Somebody else besides the one neighbor had to have heard something.

It seems this family is a very close knit. If they were always together except when the kids were at school then the perp would have no choice. In order for Duncan to get the kids in the dead of night he knew he had to go in when they were all there including one pitbull and one mixed pit. Most of these people choose darkness as their cover although some have abducted children right off the street in broad daylight in a congested neighborhood and no one saw or heard a thing in those cases either.

We dont know how they did this. A lot of times we never learned the details of how they were able to come into a home filled with adults, children, and dogs. Yes, it does seem the stars line up just right for some of these POSs who do this. If not they would never be able to abduct children from their own homes.

IMO

 

[GutFeeling!]

Well as i see it anytime CPS is called its serious....If its nothing the family can tell what it is if they want to.
As i see it this was all done for a reason!

BBM - But that is not correct and not in moo - in my life - experience.

I have mentioned this in my posts before and have not given the reason because it is no ones business lol

Not meaning to sound snarky but just because CPS turns up to your door doesn't always mean anything sinister.

One example of them coming here was that someone (and I know who) complained that I had a drug habit. (Never touched drugs in my life except weed once and yes I inhaled )
CPS HAVE to follow up on allegations like that for their own records. They gave me a drug test in my home and then to stop it happening again I had a hair follicle test done off my own back to prove I don't do drugs.
So yes visits by CPS are done for a reason - doesn't mean it is an illegal reason.

 

[gliving]

Okay, I have to ask, by WHOM and WHERE was SC being accused of animal abuse? All I ever read here or anywhere else was that he got citations for not renewing tags/vaccinations and for letting them run loose.

Again, the only time I have heard anything to do with animal abuse was from SC's sister's lips.

Can you provide links?

And also any MSM sources stating that SC was never in contact with CPS prior to May? I assume there are links since this has been stated as fact.

JMO

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The sister's words on the video is the only link I can provide for the animal abuse rumor. I assume it's community chatter. It's the first I heard of it also. I doubt we will hear LE address it. I can't imagine a reporter asking about it at a presser. As to MSM sources for the CPS contact, you'll have to review the videos of LE's pressers from this week or search the last couple of threads. It's fine if you don't believe me. It's fine if you disagree with my opinions. I sincerely hope that helps.

 

[emeraldeyes85]

OMG, I truely wish I had a clue what you're all sayin lol. But carry on.:what:

LOl Horse Racing, Preakness , a horse called Ill Have Another won after winning the Kentucky Derby 2 weeks ago too. Now if he wins the Belmont in a few weeks he will be one of the few to ever win all 3, called the Triple Crown.

 

[4Jacy]

Maybe we should start a thread for when the Bellmont comes around. What do you think?

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

High 80's here, reading by the pool and soaking up some melanoma, er, I mean sun!

I, too, hope the lovely weather is everywhere today.

Nice post, BDE!


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It is beautiful here. I went for a run around 11 and by the time I finished at noon I had a little sunburn. Got a little more sun at a friend's grad party. It is such a joy to be out in the fresh air after being in lab so long!

Eta, I don't know how I ended up with such burn able skin. Mom is native American and dad is Italian!

 

[Gardenlady]

The sister's words on the video is the only link I can provide for the animal abuse rumor. I assume it's community chatter. It's the first I heard of it also. I doubt we will hear LE address it. I can't imagine a reporter asking about it at a presser. As to MSM sources for the CPS contact, you'll have to review the videos of LE's pressers from this week or search the last couple of threads. It's fine if you don't believe me. It's fine if you disagree with my opinions. I sincerely hope that helps.

I can imagine therre is a lot of chatter in the neighborhood or among circles of acquaintances that is getting back to the family. That's what I figured she was talking about with the animal abuse statement, too.

 

[emeraldeyes85]

Maybe we should start a thread for when the Bellmont comes around. What do you think?

For sure, that is gonna be a big day, not many people get to sea a triple crown winner in their lifetime.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well, we knew that LE obtained other search warrants for the neighborhood. I believe this was stated pretty early on... No? It was surmised perhaps the g'parent's home was likely one of those searched.

And isnt it strange that LE is saying they are not ruling ANYONE out?

I think they served SW on some of the neighbors too and not just SCs parents home. I have always felt the dog that alerted was one who scents out unfamiliar scents and may have trailed close to the other neighbors homes.

I bet they served SWs on the SOs living in that area too yet as I said in over a month they have ruled no one out.:banghead:

imo

 

[pieper4]

I haven't heard any chatter about animal abuse. Perhaps this is another case of misplaced words. The word "neglect" may be inferred since they were not licensed or up-to-date on their vaccinations and roaming off leash, and it's not a far hop to "abuse" from the word "neglect" in many people's minds. Could also be a case of binlinguality. <--- is that a word?!?

My former SiL is Dominican, but has lived in the US since she was about 8 years old. She's now almost 50 and still says things like "don't make me put a gun over your head", "If I've told you once, I've told you twice", or "back to back traffic"... not to mention the never-endearing "I will AXE him a question". Blech.

 

[abstr]

OK, back on topic sort of.
All speculation. I know of a case with CPS (in a different state) where a teenaged child complained to a school friend (the school friend was in protective care due to violence and neglect) about home.
The child said my friend X's parents don't take care of her, don't give her anything, don't feed her to her foster family.
CPS workers arrived at the home and asked if they could come in and look around and speak to the child. They went thru the pantry, fridge and asked about meals.
They spoke with parents and the girl.
The worker saw that it was a case of there is cereal and fruit here for breakfast. Parents expect the kids to pour the cereal themselves. There are tons of vegetables, meats, etc for dinner. Lunch money is provided at school. The worker said if the parents are providing dinner and the girl refuses to leave her room half the time to eat with the family and comes out after the family goes to bed and warms something up she isn't being neglected.
They looked to be sure the child had clothes and toiletries.
It had to go before a supervisor or something but basically it was said the person who reported it either took the melodrama from the girl too seriously or the person who reported it might like to cause a little trouble.
So, this was a girl who having some sort of issue with her parents (they weren't her servants and they wouldn't buy her everything she wanted) and a call went out that was just something silly.
The parents already had the girl in counseling and had her "locked" down until she showed respect.
It is now maybe five or six years later and the girl thanked them for not letting her be a brat.
Anyway...just what I know from friends of mine who are great parents.
BTW...they were scared to death. I don't think they had to let CPS in.
In today's world the gvmt. is afraid not to cover their bases.

What this means in this case? Who knows. It means we still know not much about CPS involvement.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I'll Have Another Won.

Heh heh, I'll Have Another "one" won!

Sorry, I really love word play! And this is really cool news, too!


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[abstr]

OMG, I truely wish I had a clue what you're all sayin lol. But carry on.:what:

LOL...we forgot this wasn't a horse racing thread. But it's cool how you just go along!

 

[pieper4]

And isnt it strange that LE is saying they are not ruling ANYONE out?

I think they served SW on some of the neighbors too and not just SCs parents home. I have always felt the dog that alerted was one who scents out unfamiliar scents and may have trailed close to the other neighbors homes.

I bet they served SWs on the SOs living in that area too yet as I said in over a month they have ruled no one out.:banghead:

imo

I find this entire case and it's many twists, turns and silences to be strange. So the grandparent's home/inference of not being ruled out does not strike me as unduly strange at all. LOL.

 

[Patty G]

I haven't heard any chatter about animal abuse. Perhaps this is another case of misplaced words. The word "neglect" may be inferred since they were not licensed or up-to-date on their vaccinations and roaming off leash, and it's not a far hop to "abuse" from the word "neglect" in many people's minds. Could also be a case of binlinguality. <--- is that a word?!?

My former SiL is Dominican, but has lived in the US since she was about 8 years old. She's now almost 50 and still says things like "don't make me put a gun over your head", "If I've told you once, I've told you twice", or "back to back traffic"... not to mention the never-endearing "I will AXE him a question". Blech.

When the sister read a statement last night, she stated that when Sergio was going to court that day that people were stating "animal abuse".

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I haven't heard any chatter about animal abuse. Perhaps this is another case of misplaced words. The word "neglect" may be inferred since they were not licensed or up-to-date on their vaccinations and roaming off leash, and it's not a far hop to "abuse" from the word "neglect" in many people's minds. Could also be a case of binlinguality. <--- is that a word?!?

My former SiL is Dominican, but has lived in the US since she was about 8 years old. She's now almost 50 and still says things like "don't make me put a gun over your head", "If I've told you once, I've told you twice", or "back to back traffic"... not to mention the never-endearing "I will AXE him a question". Blech.

ITA!

In this case I can see how the dogs getting out and not having current vaccinations can morph into animal abuse. Anything to make it look worse than it really is.

IMO

 

[GutFeeling!]

Holy Carpola! CPS coming to check out the clothing not matching the weather when the temp is in the high 60's? I am beginning to think Arizona is a very unusual place.

Ohh they will come out for anything Whisperer lol Trust me lol

I understand if a complaint is made they should follow up, it really doesn't bother me at all (actually the case worker and I get along fine)

 

[abstr]

For sure, that is gonna be a big day, not many people get to sea a triple crown winner in their lifetime.

1987 or something

 

[oceanblueeyes]

When the sister read a statement last night, she stated that when Sergio was going to court that day that people were stating "animal abuse".

Ugghh. No wonder he quickly walked into the courthouse.

Some people are just over the top, imo.

IMO

 

[curiousc]

That is what I meant - sorry. CPS can make a complaint to police and have charges filed - which doesn't seemed to have happened after the December visit.

One other thing worth mentioning is CPS can come to houses for a myriad of reasons, if you were to ask down here the CPS records would show that they have been here about 10 times in the last couple of months. Not once was it about child endangerment or anything negative with a child at all. It did have to do with a child on each occasion that lives here.

My best friend lived with a guy here in BC Canada. He had gone out drinking one night, came home and started a fight with my friend. The cops were called and Child Services made a visit a day or so later. The one thing that saved her was that he did not live with her and, because of this, they didn't follow to investigate. My friend broke up with him at that point.

Therefore, the case in December may be a false allegation, could be the parents got into a fight, etc. Could be one of the children said one of the parents hit them to their teacher, could be a sexual allegation made by a child he coached on a team, etc.

At the same time, this last CPS involvement and a no contact order is big to me.