AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #19

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Dr. Know saw JM in the local news at one of the memorials a week or two later, as far as I remember, because I tried keeping my eye out to see if they uploaded that video on KVOA...
Remember that Dr. Know?
 
LaLaw2000 said:
BBM:

I agree for the most part, luvmydogs, but if there is a drug or cartel connection I am betting it came with JM. I think JM has been bad news for this family.

MOO
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Oh I hadn't thought about this. Hmm, I agree though, that I don't think of SC but definately could fit JM.

thank you for sharing!
 
JM being so active in the beginning and then never speak again, kind of puzzles me.

I still didn't decide what to think of Isa's parents, but I had the feeling, hearing them speak, that they know what happened.
This doesn't necessarily mean they did something, they might know something or suspect someone.
 
I don't believe Isa's disappearance had anything to do with drugs, either.

But c'mon. There ARE some serious drug trafficking issues in AZ and other border states, including FL. ;)
 
Prof said:
Dr. Know saw JM in the local news at one of the memorials a week or two later, as far as I remember, because I tried keeping my eye out to see if they uploaded that video on KVOA...
Remember that Dr. Know?
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LOL, I had to go back & check my posts. On 4/29 I did hear that & posted about it. Never heard another word...

There's been several live newscasts with no follow up. Also, videos not being put up when they said they would. I think the game RC & SC attended the video disappeared for a while too.
 
I guess since anytime someone posts a thought or a possible theory, gives thoughtful insight or voices thier opinion or speculation in this case they seem to get rebutted, bashed or scrutinized for thier input and no matter what angle is put out it's disregarded then Isa had to have just vanished in thin air or was abducted by aliens and taken for scientific study. I mean seriously, if the parents or family were not involved and cartel's seem far fetched and the chances of a rso pulling this off would have been like hitting the lotto of chance in knowing what room she was in then that just leaves the possibility of yet another Alien Abduction in Arizona. Something happened to this poor little girl and people shutting down and scrutizing others thoughts and input has done a really good job at detering interest in following this case.
 
Prof said:
Dr. Know saw JM in the local news at one of the memorials a week or two later, as far as I remember, because I tried keeping my eye out to see if they uploaded that video on KVOA...
Remember that Dr. Know?
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If JM had indeed resurfaced for a memorial or any other reason, I would be fascinated. And it would throw a bit of a wrench in my "theory". But I'm open to wrenches. LOL.
 
johnQpublic said:
I guess since anytime someone posts a thought or a possible theory, gives thoughtful insight or voices thier opinion or speculation in this case they seem to get rebutted, bashed or scrutinized for thier input and no matter what angle is put out it's disregarded then Isa had to have just vanished in thin air or was abducted by aliens and taken for scientific study. I mean seriously, if the parents or family were not involved and cartel's seem far fetched and the chances of a rso pulling this off would have been like hitting the lotto of chance in knowing what room she was in then that just leaves the possibility of yet another Alien Abduction in Arizona. Something happened to this poor little girl and people shutting down and scrutizing others thoughts and input has done a really good job at detering interest in following this case.
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Wow! I was actually just going to comment how much I appreciated everyones ideas and theories. I read down the board, say "yup, that could happen". Read further down, "oh, you are right, that is true, that might not have happened". I appreciate everyone's ideas, comments and theories. I don't try and shut any one down, but try to put another side and wait for the discussion.

With so many unknowns, why can't we all agree that no one knows anything and everything is a possibility. In my post I just put my ideas of why I THOUGHT cartels wasn't a possibility, but not meaning to say it couldn't happen. Not trying to shut anyone down on that idea.

If we don't agree with another person, or maybe don't feel that 100% that is the reason, I don't think it is a negative. As long as we remain respectful to each other.

Come on now - you honestly don't think some one will post their Theory and light will shine down on us all, and we will say AHHH that is it! Heck what is the purpose of this board. :)
 
Those who seem attached to the parents doing something nefarious are just as adamant and snarky as those who aren't. Then they get defensive when some of their 'evidence' is pointed out to be pure rumor...
 
Shelby2 said:
There is question about cartel involvement-not specifically drug cartel-due to the fact that the search was extended into Mexico, rumors, heavy border activity, I think a retired AZ LE officer mentioned it on that Judge Jeanne show, and numerous articles have been posted in this thread regarding kidnappings of older kids from the US, including a statement by Homeland Security. Also SC saying 'Tell us your demands'.. It's all speculation though.

'Hopeful' speculation-because if it were the case Isabel might be alive.

LE working this case have not said anything about this specifically, they have said they are expanding the search into Mexico, they have said they are looking at a narcotics angle in the beginning.

I am still puzzled by the CPS action, and why LE chose to release such information. Are they TRYING to throw suspicion on SC? Divert attention away from something? I don't buy their reason of 'keeping the public informed'.
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Good post. This whole case is puzzling. I don't put a lot of stock into a cartel connection, but I put some into it.

I don't think, as I have said several times, this has to be a kidnapping for ransom or about selling drugs either. People posted about cartel kidnappings because someone asked if there EVER had been one. There is also abducting a child to sell them for illegal adoption or sex trafficking/child *advertiser censored* - probably a lot of these are never solved and the perp is not known, I don't know. I hate to think about that at all, but it happens and it's worth $$. It might have been easy to see pictures of Isa or see her at the ballpark and figure out where she lived too (so cartel or not).

There are a lot of various reason some organized crime element could be involved. I've even thought it could be someone knows or saw something and Isa was abducted to secure their secrecy (a couple others on here mentioned that also).

Yes, these could all seem like far fetched ideas, but this case also seems a bit weird. I don't know why Sergio and Rebecca seem so hinky, but for those who want to think they are innocent of hurting Isa it could be because there is some more twisted something or the other going on.
 
Local news KOLD 13 (Tucson News Now) showed BC & SC together at the new command center. It's at Abbie Loveland Tuller School. Yesterday was the last day of school for many here.

They said the LE are still going door to door to talk to 120 people from 30 to 40 houses. They are still talking to the SO's.


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It's also darn hot here & the wind has been strong lately. I had read they wanted an indoor command center the other day. Then read about the construction.

The address is

5870 East 14th Street

Behind Park Place Mall.
 
LE said that the perp(s) did "an adequate job of cleaning up " Remarkable statement.

I wonder,though,if the clean up happened in the dark ? A business has a camera which looks directly at the house. Did the infra- red surveillance camera show any lights going on in that house in the middle of the night ? Or did the clean up happen that morning, say at around 6:30, or a little before that ?

JMO
 
IMO if these parents are sincerly interested in getting thier little girl back they need to get more involved with reaching out to the media and less of the fundraiser campaining. The fundraiser skeem just doe's not sit well with me... They have raised enough money by now to get the flyers and banners done, they need to be out on the media where thier childs capture can see them, where they can get into the heart of this person and lure them into feeling guilty and getting Isa back to them.
 
johnQpublic said:
I guess since anytime someone posts a thought or a possible theory, gives thoughtful insight or voices thier opinion or speculation in this case they seem to get rebutted, bashed or scrutinized for thier input and no matter what angle is put out it's disregarded then Isa had to have just vanished in thin air or was abducted by aliens and taken for scientific study. I mean seriously, if the parents or family were not involved and cartel's seem far fetched and the chances of a rso pulling this off would have been like hitting the lotto of chance in knowing what room she was in then that just leaves the possibility of yet another Alien Abduction in Arizona. Something happened to this poor little girl and people shutting down and scrutizing others thoughts and input has done a really good job at detering interest in following this case.
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I must be missing those posts. Of course people with differing and same like opinions are going to reply to posts here. That is what we do. If we did not discuss or debate the theories given then no one would be posting a thing. So I dont get what you are saying actually.

I think all theories are open for consideration. It is up to the individual poster whether they agree with a certain theory or not and have the right to say they dont or do by stating the reasons why they either believe it is possible or highly unlikely.

When there isnt any news coming out about a case then the posts will not be as many but I havent seen Isa's thread dropping to the bottom of the main forum page. It stays right up at the top most of the time along with Sierra Lamar's case.

As far as RSOs...I am not convinced this person is registered. May be a closet pedophile very much like David Westerfield was and aliens did not come in and kidnap/rape and murder other children who were abducted from their own home. So for me the ailen abduction theory is out but that is just my opinion. LOL!
 
liz b. said:
LE said that the perp(s) did "an adequate job of cleaning up " Remarkable statement.

I wonder,though,if the clean up happened in the dark ? A business has a camera which looks directly at the house. Did the infra- red surveillance camera show any lights going on in that house in the middle of the night ? Or did the clean up happen that morning, say at around 6:30, or a little before that ?

JMO
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Really great question. I hope that video reveals something.

This is gonna sound odd and maybe unpopular, but when I heard about that surveillance, I immediately wondered - could a perp have gotten knowledge of the Celis' activities by watching them? I'm not quite sure what vantage point those cameras had. I do hope it had a good one so LE can see who else came and went before she was abducted if not the night of her abduction - could lead to a suspect.
 
liz b. said:
LE said that the perp(s) did "an adequate job of cleaning up " Remarkable statement.

I wonder,though,if the clean up happened in the dark ? A business has a camera which looks directly at the house. Did the infra- red surveillance camera show any lights going on in that house in the middle of the night ? Or did the clean up happen that morning, say at around 6:30, or a little before that ?

JMO
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I am not sure the perp even cleaned up. Honestly I cant see John Couey have the brains to remove all evidence he was even in the Lunsford home. And Joe Duncan didnt leave a piece of evidence in the Greone home connecting him to the murders and kidnappings. Heck LE in Idaho didnt even have a clue who he was until he brought Shasta back to her hometown. Now Westerfield may have had the intelligence needed to cover his tracks when he came into the Van Dam home when he went all the way up the stairs to Danielle's bedroom and took her out of the home leaving no evidence behind. Neither did Mitchell when he took Elizabeth out of the Smarts home.

I just think sometimes these scumbags get lucky.

IMO
 
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