Hello!
I have also been a lurker for years. Isabels case being very close to my home has inspired me to post.
My thought on the video release yesterday, was that while LE did want to speak to the 5 walkers, the intention of the legnth of the video, was to let the 6th person know that he was recorded. Perhaps to effect some sort of change in his daily pattern-rattle his cage-so that he would begin desplaying clues for others to become suspect of.
Secondly, and the thought that I cannot get out of my mind are the 3 dogs becoming loose exactly 1 week, prior to the abduction. I certainly could have missed major discussion on this point, and if so please direct me. But I feel like this could have been a failed attempt-releasing the dogs, to acquire access to Isa. Or, releasing the dogs to LOOK like an intruder, and something interrupted the actual abduction on this day. Are there any previous comments on the dogs being out the prior Friday?
According to AZ public access, there are no additional reports\charges on dogs loose ever before. I know I had a dog that is a runner, and one that is not. The "runner" was a repeat offender. Seems coincidental that the only time the dogs have ever gotten loose was 1 week prior, same day.
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Interesting post!
Capable, yes, but not sure how far I would send another child out of sight if one was already missing...JMO
I agree but I'm sure they were sending everyone everywhere quickly, to try to find her. They may not have assumed she was kidnapped. If they did, why would they be sending their son to the store to look for her to begin with? That might have been the boy's own assumption.
This is only my second post! But I think this is an excellent idea. I think probably this or maybe the parents know or suspect something but are afraid to say. Maybe they have their suspicions about someone they know. I do think there are oddities in the way the parents have acted, but not sure if I see guilt.
Also, I found it odd in a video posted a while back where the one of the brothers says "she was just a perfect little girl playing at the park". This seems a strange thing for a boy to say about his little sister...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-tu...ce-videos-hold/story?id=16210060#.T53VVbPY_NU
here's the link to the video.
As others have stated, that was not her brother. But, I wanted to add that in context, the statement may not be that odd. He seemed to be thinking back if there were ay signs of something wrong, or something about to go wrong. I interpreted his response to be that she seemed fine, perfect, nothing was abnormal.
Dear lord. It's only been a week. What?
Yeah, that makes zero sense. That statement also makes me lose a bit of faith in this LE department.
Not sure if this has been addressed yet, but no. This is one of the five who were walking by him.
the sleeping arrangements are hinky to me..........Isabel liked to sleep with her brothers and THAT night she went to bed alone.
How did parents do that?
Did she fuss?
Did she fall asleep on the way home?
I really wish we could have a post posted at the beginning of each new thread that cites what is rumor and what is fact or what has been legitimately reported by LE or a member of the family. It's too easy for assumptions to be made based on what we hear that may not be verified. No criticism of you, dear passionflower, implied at all!
I understand the earlier couple of posts speculating about Sergio. I feel strange typing this, but I want to put it out there. Sometimes, in the Latino community, well-educated men have a way of coming off as slightly effiminate, to a point where others might say they "seem homosexual" or something. I am not saying anything negative about homosexual men, I definately don't think it has anything to do with this case, but in regards to the couple of posts that alluded to it, it is just something I have noticed, and more with South Americans and Mexicans than with Cubans or PRs. It is almost like a cultural thing, no idea why, but I have seen it many times. Sorry if that offended anyone at all.
I totally get what you are saying and have observed the same phenomena myself. I also noted that affect in the case of Sergio. I do think it is a cultural thing.
I can think of many reasons. In many Spanish fams stuff is kept close and many are private and reserved when tragedy happens. Family problems are kept close and drama isn't aired publicly. Some families consider grief a private thing. Not all fams are like this but it is something I've noticed in many fams as I was growing up.
This was many years ago but when the kidnappings of Esther Galaz (who was later found murdered) and Karen Grajeda happened, those fams weren't plastered all over the news either. They were quiet and reserved and very little press was done on them. Grajeda's mom, IIRC at the time, spoke very little English as well and appeared only a few times in public. Neither family has spoken in years to any media.
I have no links for backup, these are just my recollections, so of course please take them with a grain of salt. If you google their names you will see what I mean about very little being done in the public eye from these fams. The consequence has been that they are not well-known outside of AZ, and even inside AZ many do not remember them.
Perhaps they are feeling guilty. Maybe they feel like they should have checked on her again or heard something, anything. Maybe they did hear something but ignored it because they figured it was just night time noises or street traffic or what have you. Dealing with those feelings and Going through all the stages of grief right in the public eye isn't something many (not all) Spanish fams are going to want to do. Unless you come from that culture or lived around it for a long time you can't understand. I don't speak for this family but I am trying to explain culture-wise why they may be reacting this way.
Given time they may talk to the public. I don't expect a lot from what seems to be a rather private family right now. Leave them to their grief and let them deal in their own way, not anyone else's. If there is something up with the family then hopefully LE will sniff that out. It is very possible that they have been informed of the stats for what happens to a child after an abduction...maybe they have no hope and are too depressed themselves. I don't know. There is no one textbook way of reacting to every parent's worst nightmare, since we are all different backgrounds and cultures who deal with tragedy in diff ways.
Excellent post and bingo. Have you guys visited the Find Isabel FB much? I go every day, a couple times a day and it is amazing the amount of things that are being done to try to find Isabel. Many of the posters are family of Isabel as can be seen by connecting the FB dots.
I think this family is very active, as active as they can be, and retreating into a community of family and friends to try to find their baby.
Not a LE quote, but quoting LE:
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/332590/20120424/isabel-mercedes-celis-arizona-missing-girl.htm
This one states that two dogs 'hit":
The search for Celis intensified after two FBI search dogs hit upon something in the Celis family home overnight. Villasenor noted that there was a cadavaer dog and a scent dog used in the search.
"We have information we obtained from the dogs that has necessitated more follow-up investigation," Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor said today.
Police evacuated the Celis family from their home today following the dog search, which involved one cadaver dog and one scent-following dog, Villasenor said. They are treating the house as a crime scene.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-tucson-girl-isabel-celis-nearby-homes-searched/story?id=16194621
"Hit" seems to be the reporter's interpretation. It certainly is NOT what LE stated. They stated the dogs gave info. That could be inaction as well as action (hits).