Found Deceased AZ - Isabella Grogan-Cannella, 8, Bullhead City, 2 September 2014 - #3

[WillenFan21]

I found new quotes from Bella's mother. This is new to me so if it's not new to you then I apologize. I have not seen these quotes posted here. Also it said his shoes were found near the scene too.

Tania Grogan said that she and her husband, Ralph Foster, went to Walmart Monday night to get snacks for her two daughters. She said she thought that when she left, the only other person at home was Foster's mother.

Rector was a family friend who had been staying at the house.

"We never saw Justin here. We thought he had already left. He had to have been outside the sliding glass door when we left," Grogan said.

Isabella's 10-year-old sister called their mother, saying she couldn't find her sister after going to the bathroom. Grogan said she and Folster rushed home.

And then:

Grogan said Rector had been close with the family for years, even watching the girls several times in the past.

"I trusted him with my life. My children are my life, and now one of them is gone and they want to take the other one from me," Grogan said.

More here: http://news.yac.mx/Index/view/id/1543673.html?type=source

 

[news.talk]

I think JJR not talking could be one of two things. Either he just doesn't want to further incriminate himself or there were other people involved that would harm his children/family if he squeals.

Correct me if I'm wrong but all the evidence that have is that he was the last adult to be seen with her, his shoe prints were found at the scene, and he shoplifted from Walmart leaving behind muddy clothes.

So I'm sure in his feeble little mind he thinks there is a chance he can get away with this. I am going to assume that the mud on his clothes will be compared to the mud at the scene but what else is there in the form of strong evidence?

I maintain that JJR may be attempting to make a deal in return for the death penalty being taken off the table.

I have no doubt that he has incriminating evidence against *someone* and will attempt to use that as leverage.

 

[scorekeeper]

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[news.talk]

I found new quotes from Bella's mother. This is new to me so if it's not new to you then I apologize. I have not seen these quotes posted here.

Tania Grogan said that she and her husband, Ralph Foster, went to Walmart Monday night to get snacks for her two daughters. She said she thought that when she left, the only other person at home was Foster's mother.

Rector was a family friend who had been staying at the house.

"We never saw Justin here. We thought he had already left. He had to have been outside the sliding glass door when we left," Grogan said.

Isabella's 10-year-old sister called their mother, saying she couldn't find her sister after going to the bathroom. Grogan said she and Folster rushed home.

And then:

Grogan said Rector had been close with the family for years, even watching the girls several times in the past.

"I trusted him with my life. My children are my life, and now one of them is gone and they want to take the other one from me," Grogan said.

More here: http://news.yac.mx/Index/view/id/1543673.html?type=source

Yes, most of us have seen these claims - they are just one of the MANY stories that TG has told.

 

[Magdalyn]

I think JJR not talking could be one of two things. Either he just doesn't want to further incriminate himself or there were other people involved that would harm his children/family if he squeals.

Correct me if I'm wrong but all the evidence that have is that he was the last adult to be seen with her, his shoe prints were found at the scene, and he shoplifted from Walmart leaving behind muddy clothes.

So I'm sure in his feeble little mind he thinks there is a chance he can get away with this. I am going to assume that the mud on his clothes will be compared to the mud at the scene but what else is there in the form of strong evidence?

RBBM:

All the evidence we know of. In every case I've followed here, they have way more evidence than they tell the media.

He stole himself replacement underwear. This leads me to believe there is DNA evidence on her, on him, or both.

FBI/LE hasn't come out and said either way what's been found in the house, what's been found on phones, laptops, etc.

 

[Magdalyn]

I found new quotes from Bella's mother. This is new to me so if it's not new to you then I apologize. I have not seen these quotes posted here. Also it said his shoes were found near the scene too.

Tania Grogan said that she and her husband, Ralph Foster, went to Walmart Monday night to get snacks for her two daughters. She said she thought that when she left, the only other person at home was Foster's mother.

Rector was a family friend who had been staying at the house.

"We never saw Justin here. We thought he had already left. He had to have been outside the sliding glass door when we left," Grogan said.

Isabella's 10-year-old sister called their mother, saying she couldn't find her sister after going to the bathroom. Grogan said she and Folster rushed home.

And then:

Grogan said Rector had been close with the family for years, even watching the girls several times in the past.

"I trusted him with my life. My children are my life, and now one of them is gone and they want to take the other one from me," Grogan said.

More here: http://news.yac.mx/Index/view/id/1543673.html?type=source

How can "We NEVER saw Justin here" And "We thought he already left" both be true? How can you think someone you never saw there....had left?

Never. I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I wish we could bring "Rumors" here , because alot has been going on that has not hit MSM. This is really a horrible life these kids lived, I hope when every thing is said and done all parties will be in a jail cell. Sickening IMO !

 

[SCHMAE]

This article was updated today:

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_fecbff34-3455-11e4-877f-001a4bcf887a.html

Snip:

"Formal charges were filed Monday in the death of Isabella Grogan-Cannella..."


Snip:

"The criminal complaint, filed by Deputy County Attorney Gregory McPhillips, charges Justin James Rector, 26, with First Degree Murder, a class 1 felony, and Kidnapping, a class 2 felony. No sexual assault charge was filed."

Depending on the answer to that , my thinking changes dramatically. If no assault, then why becomes a really murky issue in my mind. I mean clearly he is the perp. But who kidnaps kids to kill if not to R*** as well? Very few people and for what purpose?

 

[mikeysmommom]

Depending on the answer to that , my thinking changes dramatically. If no assault, then why becomes a really murky issue in my mind. I mean clearly he is the perp. But who kidnaps kids to kill if not to R*** as well? Very few people and for what purpose?

Drug debt

 

[newone]

Drug debt

or a potential witness to something else MOO

 

[Cherry]

I Want to see the surv tapes of him at Walmart and see if he was w the parents. I'm sorry but I won't believe them until I see that tape w my own eyes. How did he get to walmart and who was he with? No coinky dink he says he was at Walmart and so do the parents....I need the time line. This is in no way an attack of any kind it's an investigative question that must b answered. IMO

 

[Cherry]

And I Hv to add that I cannot believe this family allowed him in their home around their children after they knew he had strangled animals and was reportedly off in some way. It's inexcusable. Sorry. I also cannot believe this family left their minors home alone at night to go to walmart putting a ten yr old in charge. That says it all. It's why we are here now. Just like the McCann I cannot overlook they left children UNATTENDED. IMHO!

 

[MsMarple]

I tend to think it is much more simplistic than that.

I believe that there was active drug use in the home that evening when a dispute ensued between JJR and TG/RF over money for the drugs owed when they ran out. That would explain the late night outing, the lack of honesty when LE asked about possible scenarios for the victims whereabouts, and the messages between the suspect and mother. I have a feeling JJR 'snapped' and sadly, this is the result. Perhaps the suspect never set out to murder Bella, but drugs, anger and greed prevailed.

I don't see these people involved in a deeper conspiracy, but rather a drug dispute gone wrong.

What you're saying makes sense but I have questions.

JR was fresh out of rehab and homeless, so where would he get the money to sell drugs? Or do you mean he owed money from buying drugs?

Plus, Bella's sister (as far as we know) didn't report any argument between JR and those in the house so if there was bad blood it would have happened earlier, out of her earshot and JR would have spent the evening being friendly with the family. That doesn't fit with him suddenly snapping over a drug dispute.

Why did he take Bella away from the house to murder her and then take the time to conceal her body? If he was playing some sort of leverage or revenge game he would have left her in the open for her family to find.

I agree that drugs were involved in some way but I'm having a heck of a time seeing it as anything other than a child abduction murder. Help me out here - I'm interested in your theory.

 

[Confusion]

I have the feeling I know the answer to my question, but have they said what was used to strangle her? If he used his shoe strings, shirt or something like that, it should have some of his DNA on it. Would using his hands leave any? TIA

 

[3blue1pink]

What you're saying makes sense but I have questions.

JR was fresh out of rehab and homeless, so where would he get the money to sell drugs? Or do you mean he owed money from buying drugs?

Plus, Bella's sister (as far as we know) didn't report any argument between JR and those in the house so if there was bad blood it would have happened earlier, out of her earshot and JR would have spent the evening being friendly with the family. That doesn't fit with him suddenly snapping over a drug dispute.

Why did he take Bella away from the house to murder her and then take the time to conceal her body? If he was playing some sort of leverage or revenge game he would have left her in the open for her family to find.

I agree that drugs were involved in some way but I'm having a heck of a time seeing it as anything other than a child abduction murder. Help me out here - I'm interested in your theory.

I believe there is a lot more going on here than is being revealed obviously . Especially with the lack of LE updates in the last 4 days

A: I think they are letting TG Dig herself a hole she can't get out of . She knows what's going on.

B: being that AZ is a border state they ( Mexican drug lords) have to have people on our side doing their dirty work. These people are ruthless sinister heartless no conscious humans. You'd be crazy to think that they don't look for those with similar traits to Carry out their dirty deeds (JJR).

C: JJR seems to me to be a sociopath perfect for the job. He is also a drug addict doubly good.

D: His actions are directed by his ( bosses ) but he decides to WARNIG GRAPHIC !!!! Get his rocks off at the same time .

E. RF is a gun runner .

 

[Z&BsMommy]

Can anyone link TGs Facebook, if that's allowed, please?

 

[3blue1pink]

Can anyone link TGs Facebook, if that's allowed, please?

I don't think that's allowed. Tho she has 2. One has been made private .

 

[newone]

What you're saying makes sense but I have questions.

JR was fresh out of rehab and homeless, so where would he get the money to sell drugs? Or do you mean he owed money from buying drugs?

Plus, Bella's sister (as far as we know) didn't report any argument between JR and those in the house so if there was bad blood it would have happened earlier, out of her earshot and JR would have spent the evening being friendly with the family. That doesn't fit with him suddenly snapping over a drug dispute.

Why did he take Bella away from the house to murder her and then take the time to conceal her body? If he was playing some sort of leverage or revenge game he would have left her in the open for her family to find.

I agree that drugs were involved in some way but I'm having a heck of a time seeing it as anything other than a child abduction murder. Help me out here - I'm interested in your theory.

I believe he was jonesing for something.....and didn't have the $$ and wanted someone to procure something for him or else......MOO

 

[Z&BsMommy]

I don't think that's allowed. Tho she has 2. One has been made private .

Thank you! I don't want to gget in trouble <3

 

[Ghostwheel]

They did say that. I'm going to get a bit graphic but I don't think it is always so easy to tell if rape occurred. Sometimes it can happen without trauma or DNA evidence.

Did the ME ever file that she wasn't a victim of SA or was that still under investigation? I'm only asking because that was dodged at the PC and I haven't heard anything else either way, since then.

Nothing's been released yet. Last official statement said it was still under investigation.

I wish I could find the MSM report about the autopsy.

This article was updated today:

http://www.mohavedailynews.com/news...cle_fecbff34-3455-11e4-877f-001a4bcf887a.html

Snip:

"Formal charges were filed Monday in the death of Isabella Grogan-Cannella..."


Snip:

"The criminal complaint, filed by Deputy County Attorney Gregory McPhillips, charges Justin James Rector, 26, with First Degree Murder, a class 1 felony, and Kidnapping, a class 2 felony. No sexual assault charge was filed."

Jumping off of these posts. To my knowledge, they released cause of death, but they still have not released whether or not she was sexually assaulted. Quoted from this article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/05/isabella-grogan-cannella-strangled-missing-girl_n_5774456.html
"However, authorities said she didn't have any clothing on her lower half and they are looking into whether she was the victim of sexual assault."

Having no clothing on her lower half, and his stealing himself underwear leave me little doubt.

It is my opinion, based on other cases I have seen, that they will not charge him with any sexual assault until they are sure what kind of sexual assault occurred, if any. There are many (sad to say) different types of sexual assault. Any, some and/or all of them could have been visited upon the poor girl. Using pure conjecture, there could have been evidence of a previous assault of some kind, sexual or other. IMO, they will not charge regarding this until they have all the information to charge EVERYTHING they can.