GUILTY AZ - Michael, 44, & Tina Careccia, 42, Maricopa, 22 June 2015 - #2 *Arrest*

[orangecrush]

There are a few things that don't sit right with me about this (besides the obvious). Sorry if some of these have already been addressed - I'm not quite through all the posts on this thread.

* The teenage son knew the VIN number of the car, and provided it unprompted? I suppose that's possible if he was carrying an insurance card for his parents' car because he was on the policy or something... but a teenager knowing the VIN number of a vehicle and/or knowing where to find it in insurance paperwork is amazing to me. Generalizing here, but it seems to me like most teenagers don't have the faintest clue where their parents keep paperwork for *anything.*

* The car being covered in dust - have they said why they think that dust is from a different part of town from where the car was discovered? This is Arizona, and Maricopa is very much in the desert. I can almost guarantee that just about every car in Phoenix and Tucson is covered in a layer of dust, regardless of how meticulous the owner keeps the vehicle. It's a big reason why you don't see a lot of black cars out here - they *always* look dusty/dirty. How do they know where that dust on the car came from? Have they said?

* Has it been confirmed whether or not Tina was supposed to be at work that day, and what time she typically arrived? I thought I read aways back that she had that day off, but then I thought I read the opposite.

* I don't really see someone going across the border to Mexico to dispose of anything over the course of a day/night. It's just not that quick and easy anymore to get across the border from Arizona to Mexico, and back again. There is *plenty* of open space around Maricopa to get rid of something you don't want found - miles and miles of nothing but dirt and scrub.


All just my opinion, as always!

 

[ninij9]

No unless he wanted to be featured on Worlds Dumbest Criminals...

Ha. I don't think he killed them, I do however see the scenario where he could have "helped" them vanish, though I'm not saying that either. The simplest theory is the scariest: Somebody hurt them, then made them vanish. Strangers would probably just leave the bodies behind, wouldn't they?

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[ohsocivilized]

I'm not a 100% sure but I think the family press conference might be covered live at Fox 10's YouTube [video=youtube;jKFIQCo9xcI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKFIQCo9xcI"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKFIQCo9xcI[/video]

I tried to make it a link it converts to a video, sorry...

 

[PoppyMcTwist]

Sorry if this was posted earlier and I missed it, but has it been determined what was the nature of the "appointments" they were going to so early in the morning? I understand Tina had to work that day, but where was Michael headed exactly when they carpooled?

As far as I know, it's been reported they carpooled to work and/or carpooled to a meeting and/or carpooled to run errands.
No helpful, germane facts about their plans for that day. Nothing.

IMO

 

[Pebbles]

Anyone see the end of Breaking Bad?? When the plan was to make the family disappear? My wild imagination makes me go there momentarily. How do you support a family of 7 on disability (even living communally?) Just another left-field theory. I'm actually all over the place on this one, but come back to this being planned. JMO


This theory combined with imagining him being involved in some alternate ways to earn $$.. He is a skilled pilot, they make a lot of trips to Mexico and the area they live is known to be a drug-smuggling area. For the record...I may be totally off and I'm merely speculating.
Ready for some facts to bring light to this bizarre case

 

[LvsAMystry]

Maybe I'm just really uncomfortable with voicing speculation on a minor, but I just don't get why knowing the vin or having it ready is a tipping point for suspicion. While I agree it's not something I'd expect a 17 year old to know or have at hand, he had it either way and I don't see it as a flag. JMO

 

[AnotherNancyDrew]

Anyone see the end of Breaking Bad?? When the plan was to make the family disappear? My wild imagination makes me go there momentarily. How do you support a family of 7 on disability (even living communally?) Just another left-field theory. I'm actually all over the place on this one, but come back to this being planned. JMO

I keep thinking about Weeds and Breaking Bad, too. I can easily see a disabled pilot with financial problems getting involved in transporting with a hobby plane late at night. I hope all of the local airports and runways have video cameras that can be checked. When you watch Breaking Bad and see the lengths that Gus goes through to transport, it is easy to imagine how a pilot would be a valuable asset or maybe he was forced to fly someone somewhere and they took his wife to coerce him to do something. At this point, I would rather it be something like that and they come back than to think of them in a well or desert grave at the hands of someone they knew.

 

[Treelights]

Just heard on the radio that the family is holding a press conference at 3:00pm today.

Since the PI said in the extended 17 minute interview that he was working on a poster and that the reward will increase to ten thousand dollars, I am wondering if this press conference will be about that, since in that interview the reporter asked when this will be released and I believe the PI said within a day or 2.
I am thinking the family will be there to discuss this new increase in the reward.
IMOO.

 

[Treelights]

Maybe I'm just really uncomfortable with voicing speculation on a minor, but I just don't get why knowing the vin or having it ready is a tipping point for suspicion. While I agree it's not something I'd expect a 17 year old to know or have at hand, he had it either way and I don't see it as a flag. JMO

With his step mom being an accountant, maybe she was meticulous with her filing system.
We have our copies in a file. 1, 2, 3 easy to find.
IMOO.

 

[Kreadance]

Yes, both phones were found turned off in the car. The car was pointing toward their house, not away from it. Not sure if it is a staged, but it appears the police have indicated to some searchers that the dust on the car came from a certain area. I don't like where this is heading at all, but I agree that it sounds like no one saw them on Monday morning and they could have been missing since Sunday night. I think the son is getting a bad rap for calling in. The dad was very anal about his car and the dust was a clue that something was amiss. I can see the dad having a copy of the insurance info. right by the phone, esp. if they lived in a bad area where it could get stolen. I don't keep my only copy of the VIN in the car. I also don't think a teenage boy is going to be too fond of his stepmom by nature, so it doesn't surprise me that he calls in to report his dad missing and then says she is with him when the dispatcher asks. That seems like something typical of a teenage boy--you have to pull details about other people out of them, but they know every detail about the cars, bikes, guns, etc.

Regarding the arsonist, I don't know if this area relies on the Indian reservations for fire fighting, but in some areas in NM and TX, the arsonists are usually from the reservations because they get paid to fight fires. They would usually target forests so they could get them out before homes were damaged, but in the desert, maybe they target new construction and trailers they think are abandoned? It is very strange to me that they wouldn't have insurance on the new site and the trailer if there was a known arsonist in the area, though.

I hope the kids get some answers today. I really feel for them having all of this speculation about their parents running to Mexico, robbing a bank, or one of them hurting the other one and taking off.

I completely agree w all of this. The first thing I noticed was that liars usually provide superfluous detail - which the son did not. I noticed pics of the son on FB with fancy cars (a new Benz, looked like it was someone else's) and motorbikes, lending credibility to the idea that young men are interested in autos and may very well know about VINs. I don't think the son believed anything sinister had happened at this point, hence his relatively unalarmed tone.
I also don't think a young man w a relatively new stepmother would know that she also was missing/unheard from at that point.

 

[KristiA]

Maybe I'm just really uncomfortable with voicing speculation on a minor, but I just don't get why knowing the vin or having it ready is a tipping point for suspicion. While I agree it's not something I'd expect a 17 year old to know or have at hand, he had it either way and I don't see it as a flag. JMO

I understand what you are saying. It's very possible that an adult advised him to have all that info on hand, knowing those are normal questions to ask when someone is missing.

I am a bit surprised that this 911 call was released, knowing LC is a minor. The media has been careful not show footage of him. JMO.


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[DexterMorgan]

I understand what you are saying. It's very possible that an adult advised him to have all that info on hand, knowing those are normal questions to ask when someone is missing.

I am a bit surprised that this 911 call was released, knowing LC is a minor. The media has been careful not show footage of him. JMO.


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Because the cops thought they were the bank robbers at first.

 

[JoCoKSEyes]

So..... News conference?????


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[ohsocivilized]

Since the PI said in the extended 17 minute interview that he was working on a poster and that the reward will increase to ten thousand dollars, I am wondering if this press conference will be about that, since in that interview the reporter asked when this will be released and I believe the PI said within a day or 2.
I am thinking the family will be there to discuss this new increase in the reward.
IMOO.

I'm starting to wonder if its going to be Tina's brother and the PI. I haven't seen it mentioned on the search page or anywhere else.

 

[ohsocivilized]

So..... News conference?????

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Its at 3pm its only 2:12 here in AZ.

 

[ninij9]

Its at 3pm its only 2:12 here in AZ.

Oh duh. How am I playing detective when I forgot about something as simple as a time zone 0_o

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[Treelights]

I'm starting to wonder if its going to be Tina's brother and the PI. I haven't seen it mentioned on the search page or anywhere else.

Yes, that's how I take it, if it will be about the reward going from 3 thousand to 10 thousand, I think maybe Mike Perry and the PI will present this, in my opinion.
Also, maybe further info will be released at the conference about the cell phones found in the car, and how dirty the car was, and also items were found that could be Mike and Tina's or some homeless persons. That was on the extended 17 minute video as well, that the news decided to condense and leave a lot of that important info out.
IMOO.

 

[Treelights]

Oh duh. How am I playing detective when I forgot about something as simple as a time zone 0_o

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Arizona is on Mountain Standard Time all year long, I believe, and they don't observe daylight savings time.

I am mountain time, in Colorado, but we observe daylight savings time, so it is 3:24 here right now.

 

[orangecrush]

Maybe I'm just really uncomfortable with voicing speculation on a minor, but I just don't get why knowing the vin or having it ready is a tipping point for suspicion. While I agree it's not something I'd expect a 17 year old to know or have at hand, he had it either way and I don't see it as a flag. JMO

Oh, I don't find it suspicious, per se. I'm just surprised that a teenager, even one with a knowledge of cars, would have the VIN number of his parents' car readily available, especially under emotional stress - that's all. When I was 17, I wouldn't have been able to tell you the first thing about my parents' cars, except probably the color and make/model. I just found it impressive that poor kid was that aware of that kind of detail with everything else that must've been going through his mind.

Also, maybe someone mentioned this already - did the son call 911 from the house, or from somewhere else?

 

[ohsocivilized]

Arizona is on Mountain Standard Time all year long, I believe, and they don't observe daylight savings time.

I am mountain time, in Colorado, but we observe daylight savings time, so it is 3:24 here right now.

Exactly! We don't deal with changing clocks around lol.