GUILTY AZ - Six killed, 13 injured in shooting at Gabrielle Giffords event, 8 Jan 2011 - #2

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i.b.nora said:
Wall Street Journal Corrections & Amplifications

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703954004576090101169490590.html

On Jan. 8 Jared Loughner allegedly shot 19 people in Tucson, Ariz., killing six and wounding 13. One additional person was injured in the shooting but wasn't shot. Several articles since the shooting incorrectly stated that 20 people were shot.
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Bumping this post for Dr Know? who continues to bump his or her head over the discrepancy between 19 and 20.
 
GoBrewers said:
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I will say to me its odd that growing up all the massive government murders i can remember, and mostly used for serial killers, is the full name usage. When he was the original suspect no one involved the Lee, i first noticed it on Fox news 2 days after the shooting, he was "suspect in custody Jared Lee Lougner, for his youtube videos" sorry no link
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The assassination attempt and murders occurred at about 10:11 AM Tucson time. Five hours later, at 3:11 PM Tucson time, the Arizona Daily Star was reporting that The Associated Press was reporting: "The man linked to the shooting today of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and others is 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner, the Associated Press reported."

They always use the full name as soon as they have it.
 
Simply amazing how well Rep Giffords is healing and responding. Good news

Thanks for all the updates everyone !
 
LinasK said:
By Brad Poole
TUCSON, Arizona | Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:10pm EST

TUCSON, Arizona (Reuters) - Representative Gabrielle Giffords is beginning to stand up and is scrolling through an iPad as she makes cognitive gains in her recovery, her doctor said on Thursday.
"She is beginning to stand with assistance, she is scrolling through an iPad -- these are all fantastic advances for her. They do show higher cognitive function," Dr. Michael Lemole, chief of neurology at University Medical Center in Tucson, told a news conference.
"But I do want to caution ... that she has a long road ahead of her," he added.
Doctors plan to move the 40-year-old congresswoman on Friday from the Tucson hospital to a rehabilitation center in Houston, Texas, to start the next phase of her recovery.
<snip>Kelly said he believes his wife already has tried to speak but remains unable to talk due to a breathing tube inserted into her windpipe through her neck.
"I feel she's made some attempts," he said.
"She has a tracheostomy. Intellectually, she knows that's there, She knows what that means. In my mind, she's made some attempts." more at link: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70I0E520110120
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BBM

:eek:

That is nothing short of Amazing!!
 
i see now, thanks for the help....but it still is interesting, JMO

http://www.slate.com/id/2280640/

"it's true, however, that police often announce a suspect's full name to avoid cases of mistaken identity, and reporters tend to follow their example. Mark David Chapman may be such a case. The press didn't have any public statements from Chapman before his arrest, so they may have defaulted to the three names to avoid confusion with other Mark Chapmans. The decision was easier with Loughner, who referred to himself with three names on his YouTube page (although his MySpace page uses only two)."
 
i.b.nora said:
Bumping this post for Dr Know? who continues to bump his or her head over the discrepancy between 19 and 20.
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LOL! Continues to bump my head, it just adds to it i.b.nora. No bumps here. That article contradicts Sheriff Dupnik's presser. The 20th victim he said drove himself to the hospital as he had been shot (now we know it was JF). Maybe tomorrow...
 
Dr. Know? said:
Thank you. I don't want to accuse the man either, I keep seeing 19 victims in the news but Dupnik said the Sunday after the shootings, there were 20 because one had driven themselves to the hospital which would be Fuller driving to NW Hospital. Still our local news outlets say 19 not 20, or are overlooking it for a reason.

I brought this up a few days ago about the number of victims and this was also my first thought. I'll see if any of the news stations will answer me.

Hi Deborah!
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I do not think fuller is insane...Why would he shoot himself.
NO :no:
He was overwhelmed, stressed out, been shot, was worried about her.
JMHO
 
Oh songline, I'm just trying to absorb it all. My apologies if I sound accusatory. I just question everything until there's an answer to it hopefully, therefore my ? after my name & especially when it's in my town. xoxoxoox
 
Dr. Know? said:
Oh songline, I'm just trying to absorb it all. My apologies if I sound accusatory. I just question everything until there's an answer to it hopefully, therefore my ? after my name & especially when it's in my town. xoxoxoox
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I too have noticed our local news keeps saying 19 shooting victims and I cant make sense of that since fuller is clearly number 20, I know David Fitzsimmons the Star political cartoonist and I am going to ask him if he can shed any light on why the media is only saying 19.

From what I can tell you personally I see no possibility at all that fuller shot himself, it is certainly intriguing to consider such in light of the media reports of 19 and not 20 but having known and worked with him in our local democratic circles I would be really shocked to learn that he would take things to that level just to get attention. I guess we cant rule it out yet but it is certainly worth looking further in to so that we can eventually put such a rumor/suggestion to rest.

Nobody likes a good conspiracy more than I do but this would seemingly go beyond the pale IMO.
 
This article in the Washington Post lists 13 people injured INCLUDING James "Eric" Fuller and 6 DEAD, so that is a total of 19 INCLUDING Fuller, so what is in error is the reports of 20, there was NOT 20, there was in fact only 19 with Fuller being one of the 19, notice this list at this link lists 13 injured, including Fuller and 6 dead, a total of 19.

So any reports of there being 20 total are wrong.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/14/AR2011011404272.html
 
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_79a2ef28-242f-11e0-9401-001cc4c002e0.html


LOUGHNER INDICTED:


A federal grand jury in Tucson indicted Jared Lee Loughner on three charges of attempting to kill U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and two of her aides, Ron Barber and Pamela Simon.
The indictment alleges that Loughner, 22, attempted to assassinate Giffords, a member of Congress, and attempted to murder two federal employees, Barber and Simon.
“We are in the early stages of this ongoing investigation. We have made considerable progress in a short period of time,” said U.S. Attorney Dennis K. Burke. “This case also involves potential death-penalty charges, and Department rules require us to pursue a deliberate and thorough process. Today’s charges are just the beginning of our legal action.”
Loughner has been held in federal custody since Jan. 8 shooting on the northwest side of Tucson. Six people were killed and 13 wounded.
A conviction for the attempted assassination of a member of Congress carries a maximum penalty of life in prison, a $250,000 fine or both. A conviction for attempted murder of a federal employee carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, a $250,000 fine or both.
He is also facing federal charges in the deaths of U.S. District Judge John Roll and Gabe Zimmerman, an aide to Giffords. The indictments handed down Wednesday does not cover those cases.

State charges are pending...
 
Watched the motorcade to the airfield on MSNBC. The whole thing is so remarkable. To see the Tucsonians lining the roads to wave goodbye. Glad she is going to another hospital and not a cemetery.
 
khou.com has a live stream up of the arrival in houston. Rep Giffords is to be transported by helicopter to Memorial Hermann.

Dr. Rhee has a scheduled press conf at 3:30 Central concerning Rep Giffords - time could vary - khou will carry live feed.
 
A short while ago I heard a radio news broadcaster describe the scene outside the hospital in Tucson when they removed Ms. Gifford. It sounded very emotional for all who witnessed. People cheering, waving, smiling, and crying.

Very touching to observe the support for this woman. The announcer said many of these people have supported Ms. Gifford her entire career. She seems very popular and I've read nothing negative about her.

I wish her well and a speedy recovery.

fran
 
fran said:
A short while ago I heard a radio news broadcaster describe the scene outside the hospital in Tucson when they removed Ms. Gifford. It sounded very emotional for all who witnessed. People cheering, waving, smiling, and crying.

Very touching to observe the support for this woman. The announcer said many of these people have supported Ms. Gifford her entire career. She seems very popular and I've read nothing negative about her.

I wish her well and a speedy recovery.

fran
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The support here in Tucson goes way beyond her political career. Gabrielle grew up in Tucson, ran her family business here and went through some of the same struggles we face here in Tucson. She represents our district, but I think first and foremost, she's a Tucsonan.
 
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