Baez - Just Lost The Trial

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countzero! :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
Dang those internet scammers! The "escort website" made me laugh out loud! I could see JB on the same sight!

Escort came in second as my first choice would have earned me a huge red mark on my fingers from Kimmer's trusty zapper and I am not prepared for that just yet. :floorlaugh:

 

[LancelotLink]

Yeah...gee...defense won this week.
Jurors must be taking all of this seriously.
Three tears of jail over an accidental drowning...
:floorlaugh:

 

[Soulmagent]

You are right, I didn't read the whole statement. How did JB miss this??

If he's on the Prosecution witness list, they must find him credible.

JB missed it because if there is no picture it didnt happen. :floorlaugh:

Although I guess that means one less objection.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

Okay thedeviledadvocate, I'll bite! lol

Your post that you quoted above, you asked why SB didn't call the police when he smelled decomposition? Good question and I don't have the answer. Why didn't GA call the police?
When SB first inspected the car and smelled decomp, why didn't he call the police at that moment? They both stated that the trash bag was not the smell that was emanating from the trunk. So you stumped me on that question!

IMO I don't see GA as being "evasive & combative". I see GA as a man that is worn out...physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually. I do think JB's questioning is trying to goad GA into a confrontation.

This whole Roy Kronk thing is so unbelievable!!! HOW did RK get custody of Caylee's body? Where did RK hide the body? Why would RK place the body in the woods? I can't recall exactly what RK's statement was but I don't recall any inconsistencies? I also believe the "thing" with his son is revenge being best served cold.

IMO, it is NOT mind boggling that so many people were "near" the area where Caylee was found and did not find her. The entire area was underwater for quite a while, thanks to Hurricane Faye (I think it was Faye?). Tim Miller called off the search several times when he saw the wooded area still underwater. I am sure Tim Miller will testify to this at trial. Not so sure what GSJ is going to say? I just don't buy the Kronk story at all. IF someone can explain to me how Kronk GOT the body in the first place, maybe I can wrap my mind around it.

I just have a real problem with anyone who thinks they smell human decomposition and fails to call the police. IF there was human decomp in that vehicle, the police needed to be called. Later in this case, we will find that the police did not secure the pontiac for nearly 18 hours after they first arrived. Which again makes me question the validity of the smell in the trunk being human decomp.

As for GA on the stand, I agree that he has been through Hades these past three years, and that JB is certainly trying to irritate him on the stand, but to me he does seem evasive and combative so we will have to agree to disagree on that point.

I think RK found the body when nature called and he entered the woods on August 11th. He tried to get his friends to see it, then called the cops 3 times.
When he had an officer standing only a couple feet away from the bag, the officer claimed he couldn't see anything. RK knew the remains were in the bag, but got upset with the officer because the officer couldn't see it. Later that evening after the officers had left, he came back and picked up the bag so no one else could find it and collect the reward. Why, who knows, but that would be how he could have claimed possession of the body.

As with most things in this case, the search itself was controversial.

 

[LancelotLink]

No, I didn't listen to RH on the radio. I like RH and have enjoyed his blogs, and have often disagreed with his opinions. I have also more often than not agreed with his opinions. So, it would not surprise me at all that his opinion of the opening week differs from mine.

He thought it could have been better. Connected dots/ What was your take on the opening statement?

I thought CM was instrumental with the accidental drowning and improper disposal. I thought that was the way to go.

Why would JB go so far aloft?

 

[darnudes]

I just spent the last two hours immersed in this thread, and so appreciate all of the discussion from my fellow WS'rs.

Am I correct in believing that the OS from JB stated that they both went out the front door together, ICA going to the left and GA going to the right (where there is a gate that is impossible to enter because a shed was placed right there at the entrance to prevent entry from that side)?

IF the front door had a triple lock and was closed and locked, wouldn't the prudent assumption be that Caylee could not have gotten out that way and they would run to the other points of exit?

I am the mother of an autistic child who is a "runner". Believe me, this light of my life LOOKS for ways to get out because to him, wandering is a compulsion.

FROM EXPERIENCE, (I would bet my life that plenty of WS members can bak me up on this one), if your small child was in your home and then you suddenly realize they are missing, you DO NOT look under beds, you MAY run and open closets eventually (especially if they are in the potty-training mode, mine would like to hide and "do the deed" in their training pants while in their closet sometimes), but the FIRST thing ANY parent, caretaker, grandparent does is look to the entry and exit points of their house: IE the DOORS.

You run to the doors and VERY quickly surmise which is unlocked and which is locked. You run to the front door, triple locked. Not an exit point. You run to the back doors and quickly determine which one is unlocked or locked. I would venture to say that many young 2-3 year olds would not care to close the door, or close it fully. But this is speculation.

Really, which doors were locked, which were open? Did JB ever point out which were unlocked? This is the exit point (should his argument be believed). Caylee didn't open a door and it locked itself back again from the inside.

IIRC, he didn't mention an unlocked door at all, but rather a flustered GA and ICA playing "who's on first" running around the house, checking under beds, looking in closets, behind toasters, you get the idea.

Then they run to the triple locked FRONT DOOR, and open all of the locks (they were locked, weren't they? Did JB say they were all unlocked?) and GA runs to the small patch of yard and to the gate blocked by the shed to get to the back? WHY?

If your home is secure and the FRONT DOOR, most obvious point of escape for a toddler, is closed and TRIPLE LOCKED, you immediately head to the back to check those doors and only THEN, when you are sure all doors are locked from the inside, do you make the time-consuming house sweep.

I spent the day with my sister's three year old daughter. She is a gorgeous, small little thing, about 40 pounds. SOOOO tiny and delicate compared to my 3 boys that age, and OH so attached to her mother and father. Even if CA was wrong about the weight of Caylee, there is NO way that little girl woke up, opened and closed the doors (which locked behind her) and hoisted herself into that pool. This was a precocious, very verbal little young girl who was absolutely doted on by her grandparents. When I watched my niece today, such a little chatterbox to her mother but was also quite shy and used to being "babied" with the pool and the water and eating and everything else, I cannot imagine a self-sufficient hardy Caylee who did this all on her own without waking GA or ICA or letting GA know that she was going to go potty or that it was time for their breakfast.

This last question stands: Did JB question GA about finding doors unlocked on the initial runthrough of the house before the timely, detailed sweep? If not, the DT theory holds NO weight with me.

bbm
No that is wrong. As per original post and follow up comments, Baez states they both went out the BACK - Casey to the left of the house with the long corridor with a shed at the end and George to the direction of the pool. I've left links in the thread to his opening states so you can see the mock up of the house he is using and where he is pointing on that mock up.

 

[LancelotLink]

I just have a real problem with anyone who thinks they smell human decomposition and fails to call the police. IF there was human decomp in that vehicle, the police needed to be called. Later in this case, we will find that the police did not secure the pontiac for nearly 18 hours after they first arrived. Which again makes me question the validity of the smell in the trunk being human decomp.

As for GA on the stand, I agree that he has been through Hades these past three years, and that JB is certainly trying to irritate him on the stand, but to me he does seem evasive and combative so we will have to agree to disagree on that point.

I think RK found the body when nature called and he entered the woods on August 11th. He tried to get his friends to see it, then called the cops 3 times.
When he had an officer standing only a couple feet away from the bag, the officer claimed he couldn't see anything. RK knew the remains were in the bag, but got upset with the officer because the officer couldn't see it. Later that evening after the officers had left, he came back and picked up the bag so no one else could find it and collect the reward. Why, who knows, but that would be how he could have claimed possession of the body.

As with most things in this case, the search itself was controversial.

Have you read SB's interview?

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

What Baez seems to be suggesting is that when anyone smells decomposition in connection with a car, police should be called. Suppose the police arrive. There is a car that smells like decomp. No one is missing - since Cindy had been in touch with Casey and was assured that Caylee was fine - they were not missing. What would police do? I kind of think they would look at it as insignificant unless there was more information.

In fact, police knew that the car smelled like a body had been in the car and that Caylee was unaccounted for, but didn't actually tow the car until a day or so later.

Baez is making an assumption that police will automatically do something about a decomp smelling car, and he seems to be trying to hold George responsible for the fact that even police didn't instantly seize the car when they heard that it smelled like decomp.

Early on the media was making a huge case against CA and GA and talking about how they rushed the car home and removed all the human decomp from the car and tried to remove the odor. The media made a big deal out of the fact that GA did not call the police while he was at the towyard. What has changed since then to make that no longer important?

 

[otto]

I just have a real problem with anyone who thinks they smell human decomposition and fails to call the police. IF there was human decomp in that vehicle, the police needed to be called. Later in this case, we will find that the police did not secure the pontiac for nearly 18 hours after they first arrived. Which again makes me question the validity of the smell in the trunk being human decomp.

As for GA on the stand, I agree that he has been through Hades these past three years, and that JB is certainly trying to irritate him on the stand, but to me he does seem evasive and combative so we will have to agree to disagree on that point.

I think RK found the body when nature called and he entered the woods on August 11th. He tried to get his friends to see it, then called the cops 3 times.
When he had an officer standing only a couple feet away from the bag, the officer claimed he couldn't see anything. RK knew the remains were in the bag, but got upset with the officer because the officer couldn't see it. Later that evening after the officers had left, he came back and picked up the bag so no one else could find it and collect the reward. Why, who knows, but that would be how he could have claimed possession of the body.

As with most things in this case, the search itself was controversial.

When Cindy realized that Caylee was unaccounted for, she called police and told them that the car smelled like there had been a body in the car and her daughter would not let her see her granddaughter. They didn't immediately impound the car, so I'm guessing that police do not assume that everyone that thinks the car smells like human decomposition really did smell decomp.

 

[LancelotLink]

Early on the media was making a huge case against CA and GA and talking about how they rushed the car home and removed all the human decomp from the car and tried to remove the odor. The media made a big deal out of the fact that GA did not call the police while he was at the towyard. What has changed since then to make that no longer important?

They should be held accountable for what they did to thwart the investigation. Their hands are not clean.
But I would hate to see them go down for something they did not do. Have no problem with them going down for what they did do, and there is plenty.
I just have a real problem with their attempts at obstruction of justice being used to clear their daughter of murder.

 

[technicalconfusion]

I just have a real problem with anyone who thinks they smell human decomposition and fails to call the police. IF there was human decomp in that vehicle, the police needed to be called. Later in this case, we will find that the police did not secure the pontiac for nearly 18 hours after they first arrived. Which again makes me question the validity of the smell in the trunk being human decomp.

As for GA on the stand, I agree that he has been through Hades these past three years, and that JB is certainly trying to irritate him on the stand, but to me he does seem evasive and combative so we will have to agree to disagree on that point.

I think RK found the body when nature called and he entered the woods on August 11th. He tried to get his friends to see it, then called the cops 3 times.
When he had an officer standing only a couple feet away from the bag, the officer claimed he couldn't see anything. RK knew the remains were in the bag, but got upset with the officer because the officer couldn't see it. Later that evening after the officers had left, he came back and picked up the bag so no one else could find it and collect the reward. Why, who knows, but that would be how he could have claimed possession of the body.

As with most things in this case, the search itself was controversial.

As I recall, he didn't get a reward. I want to say it's because as a city employee he wasn't allowed?? Could be wrong. Mark Nejame did give him some money.

Lest we forget: a psychic did predict that Caylee would be found where the german shepards pee.

 

[Harmony 2]

The osteological findings creates a problem for the claim that Kronk took and hoarded the body. Sadly, Caylee's body was torn apart by scavengers early on and found in sections dispersed among the swamp area. How did Kronk accomplish this?

 

[otto]

Early on the media was making a huge case against CA and GA and talking about how they rushed the car home and removed all the human decomp from the car and tried to remove the odor. The media made a big deal out of the fact that GA did not call the police while he was at the towyard. What has changed since then to make that no longer important?

I'm sure the media made a big deal out of all sorts of irrelevant things.

If it is standard procedure for police to impound all cars after someone claims they smelled decomp in the car, then it is correct to suggest that George and the towyard guy did something wrong. Since we know that police did not immediately impound the car after it was reported that the car smelled like decomp, I think we can conclude that police don't take claims about decomp seriously until they smell it themselves or have some other evidence to connect to the car.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

Have you read SB's interview?

Yes, I have read his interview, and watched his testimony this week. The odor in the trunk has been the object of many a heated arguements in some of these threads.

I do not think SB is a bad guy, or sinister in any way. I just think that he assumed after seeing the garbage bag in the trunk that the odor was from garbage since there were no bodies in the trunk. And yes I know he said the garbage bag was very light and he threw it over the fence with his left arm and he is right handed.

 

[PaperDoll]

Just spinning off what you have said above....I was thinking along the same lines. If KC had found it so easy to find her "happy" place after Caylee died, why is it now, while she sits in court, she can't seem to find that happy place, while things are at there absolute worst for "free spirit" KC facing the death penalty? Why is it that we see her cry out of anger rather than sadness or remorse?


My thoughts exactly. JB is trying to make her out like she is the same day in and day out, happy ,happy, happy. Now look at her, not so happy, happy, happy.. :great:

 

[LancelotLink]

As I recall, he didn't get a reward. I want to say it's because as a city employee he wasn't allowed?? Could be wrong. Mark Nejame did give him some money.

Lest we forget: a psychic did predict that Caylee would be found where the german shepards pee.

And how would RK know this was Caylee? Did he become a forensics expert? ITA. JB jumped the shark.

 

[dkatiemom]

The osteological findings creates a problem for the claim that Kronk took and hoarded the body. Sadly, Caylee's body was torn apart by scavengers early on and found in sections dispersed among the swamp area. How did Kronk accomplish this?

How can DT refute the root growth evidence? Wouldn't this be something that is unable to be dismissed (scientific testimony of root growth tangled in hair, through bag, etc)?

 

[technicalconfusion]

And how would RK know this was Caylee? Did he become a forensics expert? ITA. JB jumped the shark.

He jumped several sharks, if ya ask me.

 

[dkatiemom]

bbm
No that is wrong. As per original post and follow up comments, Baez states they both went out the BACK - Casey to the left of the house with the long corridor with a shed at the end and George to the direction of the pool. I've left links in the thread to his opening states so you can see the mock up of the house he is using and where he is pointing on that mock up.

Thank you for your response~

Did JB ever ask GA if the door was unlocked? If both were unlocked? (sliding glass and covered patio door)


Thank you for clarifying the issue about the front door. I didn't catch that.

 

[RR0004]

No, I didn't listen to RH on the radio. I like RH and have enjoyed his blogs, and have often disagreed with his opinions. I have also more often than not agreed with his opinions. So, it would not surprise me at all that his opinion of the opening week differs from mine.

You still have a chance to listen!! Tonight's show has been archived.