Baez' Statement Regarding DP News

[Themis]

<snipped> [T]his whole fiasco has become a huge waste of time and money for the state. I bet the state could put hundreds of deserving 22-year-olds through college on the money that Casey and JB have forced the state to throw away.

Respectfully, I strongly disagree that this is a "waste" of money. I agree is is a huge cost, but the money is a legitimate government expense for a core government function. One of the "core government functions" is to enforce the laws; especially criminal laws. It is our organic and statutory contract with each other as a society.
It is not a core government function to pay for college for any individual. The access to free publically funded education ends at the 12th grade. The government has no legal obligation to fund college; nor do parents. Funding college is an investment a young person makes in their own future. The governments do help fund universities. I know there are certain employment based agreements whereby the government does help fund college. There are certain welfare type programs where the government might help fund college, but these are to help a person become independent and not dependent on taxpayers. So, the purpose for government is not that the particular student gets a college education, but to relieve the taxpayer of an ongoing expense.

One might think, then if not college, maybe "the money" would be better spent on roads, schools, or green projects. Among the priorities of core government spending, the elected politicians must first look to the mandatory, essential functions of government and fund those adequately first. Then, and only then can they look at optional government projects. There is only one pot of money for local governments. It isn't a matter of "share and share alike." It is a matter of funding essential functions adequately, staying within budget and expected revenues and prioritizing essential services. In doing this spending they must comply with the laws and that includes recognizing a criminal defendant's Sixth Amendment rights.

The language of "waste of government money" is usually a knee-jerk reaction, parroting phrasing that makes a sound bite, but is not well thought out. It goes along the same lines as
[knee-jerk] all government employees are overpaid (even though they are paid prevailing wages so by definition it isn't being overpaid),
[knee-jerk] government pensions cost too much (part of the compensation package and within prevailing wage -- government employees paid their share and these problems usually arise because the government has not fully contributed their share of costs in a timely manner)
[knee-jerk] government employees are lazy and don't work hard (government management does cost and staffing studies routinely and usually understaffs an office -- since government employees at the level working on the cases in the SA's office attorneys are salaried and excepted they don't get overtime -- the media doesn't report that the lights are on in their offices until midnight or later when they are working a major case - for no additional pay.)

So, no. I respectfully disagree. This is not a waste of money.

 

[Mendara]

The defense says seeking the death penalty will delay the trial another year.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19179078/detail.html#-

I can't do this for a year!

 

[Themis]

I can't do this for a year!

:hug:

 

[Ann Rule Fan]

J.B. is going to lose this case, no doubt in my mind. Every time he opens his mouth, "crazy" comes out of it. He sounds just like the Anthony's.. I refuse to focus any longer on J.B. his loser client, and the crazy "Anthony's." My energy will be focused on justice for Caylee period..

 

[StickPoint]

J.B. is going to lose this case, no doubt in my mind. Every time he opens his mouth, "crazy" comes out of it. He sounds just like the Anthony's.. I refuse to focus any longer on J.B. his loser client, and the crazy "Anthony's." My energy will be focused on justice for Caylee period..

Maybe it's something in the water there.... hum, that will make me rethink my water consumption next time I'm at the Magic Kingdom. And I'm not talking about the one on Hope Springs, either.

 

[TripleA]

Well I was not literally connecting the two uses of the money, as in they could have taken that same money and used it elsewhere. I was just using the college tuition as a reference for how much money was spent chasing lies caused by the A family.

 

[Themis]

Well I was not literally connecting the two uses of the money, as in they could have taken that same money and used it elsewhere. I was just using the college tuition as a reference for how much money was spent chasing lies caused by the A family.

Value comparison. Oh.
"Nevermind." (Gilda Radner, Saturday Night Live.)

BTW, I agree that college spending/borrowing is a "good debt" and important for people.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Based on the evidence thus far the DP is only going to swing an impartial jury towards NG.

The jury is not going to want to execute based on cuircumstanital evidence only and, let's face the facts, that is all there really is to date.

That we know of.

 

[sleutherontheside]

I can't do this for a year!

I second that....................and that is exactly "why" they won't get a change of venue. The chaos will subside once JB stops whining and more of the players stay under the radar. Orlando will see this trial to the end.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

So by saying she isn't a serial killer - he's leaving open the possibility that she is...a killer...? This guy needs to shut his trap! He hurts his client further with ever word that escapes his lips - he and KC deserve eachother...

Or that she really is a serial killer............that was a very strange string of words.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Based on the evidence thus far the DP is only going to swing an impartial jury towards NG.

The jury is not going to want to execute based on cuircumstanital evidence only and, let's face the facts, that is all there really is to date.

You must be joking............there are hundreds of people on death row waiting on that electric chair or injection based on circumstantial evidence. Many times that is the strongest evidence. One right off the top of my head is Scott Peterson.

I believe LE has SO MUCH in this case, that the DP will be almost automatic for this perp.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

J.B. is going to lose this case, no doubt in my mind. Every time he opens his mouth, "crazy" comes out of it. He sounds just like the Anthony's.. I refuse to focus any longer on J.B. his loser client, and the crazy "Anthony's." My energy will be focused on justice for Caylee period..

He KNOWS he is going to lose, but I would bet money he has convinced KC that he will win to stay on the case. I am grateful they will replace him with a DP qualified attorney, so at least she will get a fair trial.

 

[Ms.Heather]

With all the twists and turns this case has. Something new every week... I hate to see the circus it has turned into by the time it actually goes to jury.

JB is blowing smoke up KC's butt. He's telling her they can win this... cause he wants to exposure. (I mean really, press meetings on the side of the road... HELLO,) I won't be surprised if his business cards now say "Jose B... Yeah, the guy that represents FL's most popular baby killer KC". She trusts him, cause she has no choice... she has NOONE ELSE.
They need to realize that noone is out to get KC, we don't want her to plea. I want her to go to trial EVERYDAY for however long it takes... watch "friend" after "friend" get up there and speak about her, have all her dirty laundry aired while she has to sit there and watch. I want her to have to see pictures of the crime scene. I want her to see the damage she did to every single person that was in her life. So no, Baez... we don't want KC to plea. We know what she did, it don't matter that we don't know how Caylee died. She was murdered, thats all we need to know.

 

[CarolineJ]

iirc HE IS NOT PRO-BONO.....he has never said HE was pro-bono...there is money in there for HIM & lkb.....everyone else is supposed to be doing it from the kindness of their hearts....:furious:

No, Linda Kenny Baden is not working pro bono. I heard her say on tv that she is being paid.

 

[CPP]

More from Baez:

Death Penalty For Women Rare In Fla.
Baez: Casey's Not A Serial Killer

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19174406/detail.html


"Very few women are put to death in Florida," defense attorney Jose Baez said. "She's not a serial killer."

Ummm... thanks for that, Jose.

Okay, who said KC was a serial killer??!!??

The sad thing is: this is also what he's telling KC, ergo no plea sought & she may get DP because she listened to him.

The good thing is: this is also what he's telling KC, ergo no plea sought & she may get DP because she listened to him.

 

[chefmom]

With all the twists and turns this case has. Something new every week... I hate to see the circus it has turned into by the time it actually goes to jury.

JB is blowing smoke up KC's butt. He's telling her they can win this... cause he wants to exposure. (I mean really, press meetings on the side of the road... HELLO,) I won't be surprised if his business cards now say "Jose B... Yeah, the guy that represents FL's most popular baby killer KC". She trusts him, cause she has no choice... she has NOONE ELSE.
They need to realize that noone is out to get KC, we don't want her to plea. I want her to go to trial EVERYDAY for however long it takes... watch "friend" after "friend" get up there and speak about her, have all her dirty laundry aired while she has to sit there and watch. I want her to have to see pictures of the crime scene. I want her to see the damage she did to every single person that was in her life. So no, Baez... we don't want KC to plea. We know what she did, it don't matter that we don't know how Caylee died. She was murdered, thats all we need to know.

ITA! I believe that JB is just stringing KC along, making her think everything is going to be okay and that he can get her aquitted. And, I believe that she believes him! After all, she has been lying to everyone for years and getting away with it, or so she thinks. So many people have acknowledged that they knew she lied, and they either stopped associating with her or just blew it off. I, too, think that she should have to sit there and look at photo after photo of the crime scene, the evidence, and the remains. I hope she has to sit there and look at a picture of her little girl's decomposed remains with that duct tape over her mouth. And, I hope that the jury sees her sit there, as smug as ever, showing no emotion at all. She may try to fake it, but it will be obvious to anyone that has children, or a heart, what is a genuine emotion and what is faked for appearances.

 

[cyberborg]

[snip]
They need to realize that noone is out to get KC, we don't want her to plea. I want her to go to trial EVERYDAY for however long it takes... watch "friend" after "friend" get up there and speak about her, have all her dirty laundry aired while she has to sit there and watch. I want her to have to see pictures of the crime scene. I want her to see the damage she did to every single person that was in her life. So no, Baez... we don't want KC to plea. We know what she did, it don't matter that we don't know how Caylee died. She was murdered, thats all we need to know.

Respectfully snipped.

Now that you paint that, I don't see KC wanting to go to trial for weeks, sit there and hear all of this testimony against her. Lets face it, the Judge had to force her to attend the motion hearings. For as much as it can be seen to be her moment in the sunshine, it makes me wonder. The longer this drags on, is KC's resolve up to that and can she face it -- if it is a well controlled court room?

 

[MarleneM]

:laugh:

The sad thing is: this is also what he's telling KC, ergo no plea sought & she may get DP because she listened to him.

The good thing is: this is also what he's telling KC, ergo no plea sought & she may get DP because she listened to him.

 

[chefmom]

Hmmm...... So is JB saying that KC hasn't killed anyone except for Caylee?

It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that she had. She comes off as so cold and calculating. JB probably wishes now that he hadn't made the "serial killer" comment. It actually leaves itself open for interpretation.

 

[weasel]

Respectfully snipped.

Now that you paint that, I don't see KC wanting to go to trial for weeks, sit there and hear all of this testimony against her. Lets face it, the Judge had to force her to attend the motion hearings. For as much as it can be seen to be her moment in the sunshine, it makes me wonder. The longer this drags on, is KC's resolve up to that and can she face it -- if it is a well controlled court room?

I agree. Casey didn't even want to attend the hearings. I don't believe she'll be too happy sitting in a trial facing the allegations. She doesn't seem to be the type of person that's willing to face up to anything. I think that's how she has evidently managed to get away with everything thus far. Just my opinion, but I think Baez will talk her out of any type of plea deal in order for HIM to have his fame and glory. This is his big chance to be famous and I think he'll do everything he can to hold on to it.