GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #5

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More lies and manipulation is all it is. TS killed Sheila as sure as the murder weapon tucked under his shirt and the texts that he sent his cousin saying he did...and he didn't feel bad about it. Although it definitely was as a result of her manipulation

So...what's she trying to achieve? Some great speculation here. I hope TS isn't still stupid enough to get pulled back into her web. His mother better give him a good talking to. We know he has Internet access so he better be getting some good advice.

This is one dangerous and evil young woman. Even if everyone can see right through her now, it's too bad no one had that clarity about her before she killed her mother.

MOO
 
[video=youtube;I5sMpfuChrE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5sMpfuChrE[/video]
 
[video=youtube;8jECj7egz9I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jECj7egz9I[/video]
 
[video=youtube;8yPxFcEHBQY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yPxFcEHBQY[/video]
 
I texted fake conversations between us when he (TS) was sleeping and then deleted them.

Yeah right. I give her a C minus in lying and an F for performance and delivery. So contrived.

What's with all the sniffing?





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I think she is sniffling not because she is high, but because she wants that excuse in her back pocket if she ever decides to disavow these confessions.

For now, these absurd and intelligence-insulting claims serve her agenda, detailed in my speculative post earlier.
 
TS just wanted to go on a nice relaxing vacation with his favorite racist... :thinking:
 
What makes me really ill about this little stunt is all the media coverage she has received because she has that direct hotline to the Chicago Tribune. And a whole new onslaught of folks who don't really know the story, haven't seen the text messages between her and TS during the murder and between TS and his cousin after the murder, are going to believe this carp. SMH

MOO
 
Hello again! I haven't posted here in ages, but I do check in from time to time. When a friend emailed me the link to the Chicago Tribune story today, I knew there would be commentary here.

To me, as horrible and false as Heather's videos are, they are not wigged out ramblings. They are carefully calculated to advance her position. Note these two claims she makes:

1. Her mother murdered her father.

2. Heather alone committed the murder of Sheila. Tommy and his cousin are innocent of any wrongdoing before or during the murder.

I'll repeat: these are scurrilous lies. But I think she's said these things for very particular reasons.

1. Heather still hopes to gain the money. Her first volley in a battle to discredit her mother's right to the money was to claim a while back that her mother cheated her of her inheritance, and that it was her father's intention that she, Heather, get the money. I believe she embarked on this course because she feared a loss in the Slayer Rule battle. If the money is hers by right even before her mother's death, then her murder of her mother doesn't allow a Slayer Rule finding against Heather.

She's attempting to strengthen her right to the money by this new claim: as a murderer, her mother never had any right to the inheritance because of the Slayer Rule! Heather is next in line, so the money is rightfully hers. She's a sly fox, although how any lawyer could turn James Mack's death into a murder is beyond me. Nonetheless I'm sure there are nuggets she is holding back concerning this line of attack.

But Heather still has a problem. If she gets the money and buys her way out of prison she will always live in worry of a criminal charge against her in the US. She may not be able (or willing) to live forever out of the US in a extradition-free zone, so she needs to address that problem. Hence:

2. There never was any conspiracy. I'm guessing whatever legal advice she is getting is concentrating on the possible conspiracy charge facing her. It doesn't come with a double jeopardy defense, as a new trial for murder in the US would.

How to eliminate that problem? Eliminate the conspiracy. Her admission to being the sole murderer and "explaining" the incriminating texts is her defense against conspiracy.

I don't think for a moment she will prevail in any of these battles, but when you're in jail with nothing better to do than think up more scheming falsehoods, this is the result. Her lies are carefully designed to aid her in further skullduggery and injustice. Even though I'm sure she'll fail, I hate the idea that she may be feeling some hope right now, because she believes in her own ability to get what she wants.
Oh Tabby thanks for your latest post. I too check back from time to time. Really nauseating what this killer is allowed to write and say.
Can't imagine Sheila's family not pushing U.S. to bring charges. We'll see. This mother was murdered for money. This case among others bring the reason for boiler plate language in trusts and wills, if any parent is harmed physically, or any abuse by their off spring you get nothing $0. Jmo

ciao
 
Bringing this link forward again. All text messages and other communication between HM, TS and RB are at this link. There is no mistaking what went down when you read them. All the lying and manipulation they both do is not going to change the facts.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndil/file/777641/download

And I agree with Orange Tabby. This is strictly a ploy to get the conspiracy charges off the table. Which makes me happy to know that she has been told that she will be facing them if/when she returns to the U.S. She likely read over Tommy's "confession" multiple times before concocting this new plan. Of course he has taken down his "confession", where he will only say that he "participated" and that one day he will tell the "truth", from the site he hosted it at. The Daily Mail has it in it's entirety here...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-speaking-time-conviction-letter-friends.html
 
TS just wanted to go on a nice relaxing vacation with his favorite racist... :thinking:

Yeah...and this is what he texted to his cousin after he got through security at the airport on his way to Bali...

Get a passport
So we can take off
Tru $hit but now I’m a millionaire
I come back for a week or two then it’s off to italy
On chief
Lmao $hits ridiculous b
We gon see who brand new now
In about a year or so I’ll have all that money
Frfr in my name type $hit
Not all of it
A couple mil prob

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndil/file/777641/download

But it was never about the money. :notgood:
 
Hello again! I haven't posted here in ages, but I do check in from time to time. When a friend emailed me the link to the Chicago Tribune story today, I knew there would be commentary here.

To me, as horrible and false as Heather's videos are, they are not wigged out ramblings. They are carefully calculated to advance her position. Note these two claims she makes:

1. Her mother murdered her father.

2. Heather alone committed the murder of Sheila. Tommy and his cousin are innocent of any wrongdoing before or during the murder.

I'll repeat: these are scurrilous lies. But I think she's said these things for very particular reasons.

1. Heather still hopes to gain the money. Her first volley in a battle to discredit her mother's right to the money was to claim a while back that her mother cheated her of her inheritance, and that it was her father's intention that she, Heather, get the money. I believe she embarked on this course because she feared a loss in the Slayer Rule battle. If the money is hers by right even before her mother's death, then her murder of her mother doesn't allow a Slayer Rule finding against Heather.

She's attempting to strengthen her right to the money by this new claim: as a murderer, her mother never had any right to the inheritance because of the Slayer Rule! Heather is next in line, so the money is rightfully hers. She's a sly fox, although how any lawyer could turn James Mack's death into a murder is beyond me. Nonetheless I'm sure there are nuggets she is holding back concerning this line of attack.

But Heather still has a problem. If she gets the money and buys her way out of prison she will always live in worry of a criminal charge against her in the US. She may not be able (or willing) to live forever out of the US in a extradition-free zone, so she needs to address that problem. Hence:

2. There never was any conspiracy. I'm guessing whatever legal advice she is getting is concentrating on the possible conspiracy charge facing her. It doesn't come with a double jeopardy defense, as a new trial for murder in the US would.

How to eliminate that problem? Eliminate the conspiracy. Her admission to being the sole murderer and "explaining" the incriminating texts is her defense against conspiracy.

I don't think for a moment she will prevail in any of these battles, but when you're in jail with nothing better to do than think up more scheming falsehoods, this is the result. Her lies are carefully designed to aid her in further skullduggery and injustice. Even though I'm sure she'll fail, I hate the idea that she may be feeling some hope right now, because she believes in her own ability to get what she wants.

Welcome back Orange Tabby. :seeya:

Right on point as usual.
 
Bringing this link forward again. All text messages and other communication between HM, TS and RB are at this link. There is no mistaking what went down when you read them. All the lying and manipulation they both do is not going to change the facts.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndil/file/777641/download

SBM

The good news is that Jon Seidel of the Chicago Sun-Times has already pointed out serious problems with Heather's latest gambit, specifically using the texts to show her story doesn't make sense. See:

https://www.google.com/amp/chicago....confession-may-not-hold-up/amp/?client=safari

(If that link doesn't work, try deleting the "client=safari" part at the end. I'm on my phone, which is rather tedious for posting.)
 
What makes me really ill about this little stunt is all the media coverage she has received because she has that direct hotline to the Chicago Tribune. And a whole new onslaught of folks who don't really know the story, haven't seen the text messages between her and TS during the murder and between TS and his cousin after the murder, are going to believe this carp. SMH

MOO


I think there's good news here too. I've just re-read the Chicago Tribune article as well as all the comments. Not one comment is in support of these murderers.

There are basically two kinds of murder cases which get a lot of media attention:

1. Those with divided opinion on guilt or innocence: OJ Simpson and Amanda Knox would be examples.

2. Those where pretty much everyone agrees on guilt, as in the case of Charles Manson or Jeffrey Dahmer.

Even though the second kind gets a lot of press, it doesn't translate into sympathy or support for the murderers.

I think Sheila's murder is a Type 2 case. People may be fascinated by the crime itself, but they are in no way sympathetic to the perpetrators. Of course there are small numbers of supporters, but they are largely folks who know these murderous beasts personally. Or are there lots of supporters that I've lost sight of?

Also, it's interesting to note the byline isn't Christy Gutowski (she's mentioned at the foot) but two people who haven't been on this story from the beginning.

And I don't think this article is the result of direct contact with the Trib by Heather because they would have said so and they write that they couldn't reach her when they tried to contact her.
 
How delicious! Reuters is reporting that Heather's videos are being scrutinized by officials and her sentence could be affected.

Excerpts:

--Prosecutors in Indonesia are examining online video comments by a U.S. woman jailed for 10 years ... to decide if they justify a stiffer sentence ...

--A lawyer for Mack said she had been pressured into making the confession video.

--"We suspect Tommy's motivation is to attack Heather after they broke up," the lawyer, Ben Seran, told Reuters.

--"If Mack is indeed the mastermind of the murder, the video can be used as evidence in the case, and the sentence should be heavier than it is now," ...

See:

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/i...fa52&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
 
Breanna Edwards, in The Root, only appears to rehash the Reuters report, but it's good to see this story covered in multiple places. Excerpt:

However, Ashari Kurniawan, a public relations official in the Bali prosecutor’s office, told the wire: “If Mack is indeed the mastermind of the murder, the video can be used as evidence in the case, and the sentence should be heavier than it is now.”

See:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.ther...ed-of-mothers-2014-murder-in-bali-1792037477/
 
Catch 22
that's what it do [emoji95]


Funny!

Yes, you've got a real problem when you are the only one who believes your PR. I'm glad Heather will be getting more prosecutorial attention in Bali.

And thanks to all the Sleuths who've welcomed me back. I've missed you all.
 
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