Belize - Francesca Matus, 52, & Drew De Voursney, 36, murdered, Corozal, 25 Apr 2017

[dotr]

Confused..
http://edition.channel5belize.com/archives/146160
May 12 2017

Richard ‘Dickie’ Bradley, Attorney for John Deshaies

“It was not as difficult as Mister Arthurs and myself had been up last night preparing for the submissions because the word was that in fact the government attorneys would be asking for Mister Deshaies to be further remanded in relation to another matter. Kevin is of the considered view and has further information to support that that the charge levied against Mister John Deshaies in relation to some bogus theft in Placencia; that will completely fall apart. But that there was no need for his freedom to have been taken away.”

Richard ‘Dickie’ Bradley “There was no objection to him applying for bail on a matter of a theft which let me say this for the records; he was merely on behalf of the owner of those things, keeping a watchful eye to see that they were secured. He didn’t steal any of those items and he did not criminally handled any items that were stolen and that matter will be cleared up and nothing will come out of that matter.”

I see calls right now on my phone because for some reason they have put out his name that he is a suspect in the double murder of two foreigners—one American, one Canadian. Mister Deshaies told me that he was extensively interviewed by officers claiming to be members of the Federal Bureau of Investigation from the United States, who asked and he cooperated and gave a blood sample and other information. He completed cooperated with the F.B.I. officers.”

 

[neesaki]

The company/group you may be referring to has been written up about on "Name and Shame", by a very unhappy investor:
https://www.nameandshame.com/r/us-f...-by-rats-from-canyon-acquisitions-llc-id5yc99

This is interesting. Here's something on that company from the Ontario Securities Commision, though its a few years ago.
http://www.osc.gov.on.ca/documents/en/Proceedings-SET/set_20130322_heir-home-equity-et-al-canyon.pdf

One more link: http://www.investmentexecutive.com/-/osc-imposes-penalties-on-unregistered-real-estate-investments

 

[Kophy]

This is interesting. Here's something on that company from the Ontario Securities Commision, though its a few years ago.
http://www.osc.gov.on.ca/documents/en/Proceedings-SET/set_20130322_heir-home-equity-et-al-canyon.pdf

You'll find a similar charge/outcome for Alberta. As well, there are problems in Belize.

I spent a couple of days reading about Placencia Group, HEIR, and Canyon Acquisitions. If I was looking to invest, I would steer clear of these guys.


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[Kophy]

http://edition.channel5belize.com/archives/146156
May 12, 2017

It makes sense to not get a lawyer for something you're not charged with. He seems pretty confident that he will cleared of any wrongdoing because he is innocent and therefore there will be no evidence to tie him to it. I wonder if he would have been as confident if the FBI hadn't become involved.

Unfortunately, he will always be tied to this unless they find who's responsible. People are stubborn that way. He was the only POI named and that is often enough for many people.

My guess is we are not going to get any useable information until the FBI completes their report.


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[dotr]

http://7newsbelize.com/sstory.php?nid=40312

"This was a false charge in the first place and I got bail set today and I am free now. But it will all come out in court that it was all false. It was a business related thing. I didn't do anything wrong." "Francesca was a beautiful friend of mine. We lived together there for 2 years in the house. It was her house, she lived upstairs, I lived downstairs and she is one of the most beautiful people you'd ever meet. We've always been good friends and there is absolutely nothing that I've ever done to hurt her. I am assuming I was accused because I live in the same house, but otherwise there is nothing that ever happened between us to make anybody think that. Any of our friends would never think that."
Daniel Ortiz, 7News
"There are reports suggesting that you guys had some sort of quarrel or a fight, some sort of disagreement a few hours before she went missing."
John Deshaies, On bail for Theft
"The only person who would say something like that would be the neighbor who lives across the street and he would have done that just because we've had an ongoing issue, but there is absolutely never a harsh word between Francesca and myself. We never had a problem and everybody knows that, like all the people that we hang out with - everybody that knows me and knows her, my whole family, my kids in Canada - like she would see them in Canada, everybody knows that we never had a problem. There was never an issue."

 

[Wondergirl]

Isani Cayetano

“Do you feel as if though your constitutional rights or your fundamental human rights are being impinged based on this ongoing legal saga?”

John DeShaies, Charged for Theft

“Well right now, at this point in time, I think that to get me investigated I don’t mind giving some time or whatever but I think that I have been investigated. I’ve given all the information. Everybody knows where I was and what I was doing. There’s absolutely no reason for them to carry on with me personally. I think to move forward as them going on with this, I think seriously it would be a constitutional situation that I would have to take in hand. But I don’t have any problem with being detained. I don’t have any problem with them asking me questions and the thing is that you have to get everybody off the, you know, you have to get everybody as a suspect, figure out where they were and what they did. That has to happen. It would be an injustice for me not to do that knowing that Francesca’s killer or killers or whoever did this is still missing, you know what I mean. So I have no problem being detained for that, I have no problem doing an interview with the police. I have no problem with the F.B.I., the DNA or whatever they need, I have no problem with that, right. I’ve given everything so there should be absolutely no reason at this point in time to want anything else from me.”

http://edition.channel5belize.com/archives/146154

 

[dotr]

Unrelated link, but could be.
Funny that NA's go to these places to enjoy a good life, yet it is the reverse for them.
speculation, imo.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/refugees-central-america-msf-1.4113113

 

[Kamille]

We don't know what the complaint is that Drew filed with the Embassy.

Is there a Freedom of Information Act in the U.S. to obtain what that complaint was?

Well we don't really know IF he filed a complaint. Could be another rumour. But I think LE should be looking more closely at people and events that revolve around DD's 4 months in the country. And why do we keep seeing info that they were dating 5 or 6 months? Neither had been in Belize much more than 4 months. FM probably less than 4 months.

From what I understand he was staying in an area that was not as nice as where FM lived. He was looking for work and I read something that suggests that if a Belizean can do the job then it's almost impossible for a foreigner to get hired. Are some Belizeans upset or offended when Americans come to their country and look for work rather than just pump their retirement dollars into the country?

On Feb 13, DD posted a message on his Facebook thanking his brother for "coming through big time" for him. Was he having a problem in Belize that his brother had to help him with? Or was he already looking for something to do back home and that's when his brother got him enrolled in the school for heavy equipment operation?

What did DD do, who did he meet (other than FM's social circle in Consejo Shores) and what had he been doing with himself while he was there? It sounds like he met FM right away when she got there sometime after Christmas. Where did he meet her? At a bar? Did she have another admirer who got upset when they hit it off?

After reading the quotes from JD, I'm even more convinced that he had nothing to do with this. So figuring out who did this is really going to require sorting out who the intended target was, DD, FM or both.

And of course, FM had been traveling to the country for 4 years or more without incident. Enter DD, who had only been there for 4 months and they both end up being murdered. Maybe he was the target? :waitasec:

MOO

 

[dotr]

Well we don't really know IF he filed a complaint. Could be another rumour. But I think LE should be looking more closely at people and events that revolve around DD's 4 months in the country. And why do we keep seeing info that they were dating 5 or 6 months? Neither had been in Belize much more than 4 months. FM probably less than 4 months.

From what I understand he was staying in an area that was not as nice as where FM lived. He was looking for work and I read something that suggests that if a Belizean can do the job then it's almost impossible for a foreigner to get hired. Are some Belizeans upset or offended when Americans come to their country and look for work rather than just pump their retirement dollars into the country?

On Feb 13, DD posted a message on his Facebook thanking his brother for "coming through big time" for him. Was he having a problem in Belize that his brother had to help him with? Or was he already looking for something to do back home and that's when his brother got him enrolled in the school for heavy equipment operation?

What did DD do, who did he meet (other than FM's social circle in Consejo Shores) and what had he been doing with himself while he was there? It sounds like he met FM right away when she got there sometime after Christmas. Where did he meet her? At a bar? Did she have another admirer who got upset when they hit it off?

After reading the quotes from JD, I'm even more convinced that he had nothing to do with this. So figuring out who did this is really going to require sorting out who the intended target was, DD, FM or both.

And of course, FM had been traveling to the country for 4 years or more without incident. Enter DD, who had only been there for 4 months and they both end up being murdered. Maybe he was the target? :waitasec:

MOO

rbbm.
Maybe..
http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/2017/05/13/belize-double-slay-suspect-out-on-bail
, May 13, 2017 5:52:

Meanwhile, cops appear stalled in the murder probe saying they’ve discounted robbery as a motive.

Sources have told the Toronto Sun the Central American nation is notoriously corrupt and that dodgy land dealings are not unheard of.
One source believes a business transaction gone awry is likely behind the murders, but who the prime target was remains a mystery.

 

[otto]

Well we don't really know IF he filed a complaint. Could be another rumour. But I think LE should be looking more closely at people and events that revolve around DD's 4 months in the country. And why do we keep seeing info that they were dating 5 or 6 months? Neither had been in Belize much more than 4 months. FM probably less than 4 months.

From what I understand he was staying in an area that was not as nice as where FM lived. He was looking for work and I read something that suggests that if a Belizean can do the job then it's almost impossible for a foreigner to get hired. Are some Belizeans upset or offended when Americans come to their country and look for work rather than just pump their retirement dollars into the country?

On Feb 13, DD posted a message on his Facebook thanking his brother for "coming through big time" for him. Was he having a problem in Belize that his brother had to help him with? Or was he already looking for something to do back home and that's when his brother got him enrolled in the school for heavy equipment operation?

What did DD do, who did he meet (other than FM's social circle in Consejo Shores) and what had he been doing with himself while he was there? It sounds like he met FM right away when she got there sometime after Christmas. Where did he meet her? At a bar? Did she have another admirer who got upset when they hit it off?

After reading the quotes from JD, I'm even more convinced that he had nothing to do with this. So figuring out who did this is really going to require sorting out who the intended target was, DD, FM or both.

And of course, FM had been traveling to the country for 4 years or more without incident. Enter DD, who had only been there for 4 months and they both end up being murdered. Maybe he was the target? :waitasec:

MOO

When this all started, Drew's mother said that her other son had sent Drew money for airfare so he could fly back to Georgia on May 4.

I don't doubt that Drew filed a complaint with the US embassy. I have to wonder if it was on behalf of Francesca regarding another US citizen.

 

[fred&edna]

When this all started, Drew's mother said that her other son had sent Drew money for airfare so he could fly back to Georgia on May 4.

I don't doubt that Drew filed a complaint with the US embassy. I have to wonder if it was on behalf of Francesca regarding another US citizen.

'Would it seem beneficial to most Canadians to do this? Are you thinking it was maybe a secondary/bolstering effort to any complaints she might have filed with the Canadian Consulate to Belize? ('Just curious since I'm a US citizen and I'm not sure how things are perceived elsewhere in the world)

It appears DD's LinkedIn page/account is no longer active but wasn't he listed in electrical/solar power construction work?? And, isn't JD also involved in electrical construction??


Also, (probably of no value) but it appears that one of the casino/resort guys lives in West Palm Beach where DD learned to scuba dive - along with his pal TB.

 

[Hazel]

Well we don't really know IF he filed a complaint. Could be another rumour. But I think LE should be looking more closely at people and events that revolve around DD's 4 months in the country. And why do we keep seeing info that they were dating 5 or 6 months? Neither had been in Belize much more than 4 months. FM probably less than 4 months.

What did DD do, who did he meet (other than FM's social circle in Consejo Shores) and what had he been doing with himself while he was there? It sounds like he met FM right away when she got there sometime after Christmas. Where did he meet her? At a bar? Did she have another admirer who got upset when they hit it off?

After reading the quotes from JD, I'm even more convinced that he had nothing to do with this. So figuring out who did this is really going to require sorting out who the intended target was, DD, FM or both.

And of course, FM had been traveling to the country for 4 years or more without incident. Enter DD, who had only been there for 4 months and they both end up being murdered. Maybe he was the target? :waitasec:

MOO

(respectfully snipped and bolded by me)

"Matus had been in Belize since December, said her cousin Ivana Pucci,.." link

"She began travelling to Belize four years ago, Kurnath said, living there from December to April and managing her Toronto properties remotely." link

DeVoursney had been living in Corozal with a friend since December. link

"DeVoursney had been living in Corozal since December, Barfield said."
"Matus had also been living in Belize since December, said her cousin Ivana Pucci," link

From recollection: I believe it was a comment on a Facebook news article, where someone suggested checking out DD. This was before the bodies were found, and some people were thinking DD may have had some involvement in Francesca's disappearance.
One of Francesca's friends, NR, the one being quoted here replied to that comment defending DD saying he was a great guy that she had known him 8 years ago when he visited Belize (or something along those lines).

So I'm thinking, that it is possible that's how FM and DD met, through a common friend(s). JMO MOO

 

[fred&edna]

I noticed DD's FB posts dated April 5 (Ways To Tell A Woman's Mad At You... 5. She murdered you), and on April 6 he shared "Games People Play". Was he involved with anyone else? Maybe these posts mean nothing more than just a laugh and a favorite song.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012822152383

 

[Hazel]

Lynn Nichiporowich's murder in belize has already been discussed in this thread; found this video:

http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2450969997

 

[otto]

'Would it seem beneficial to most Canadians to do this? Are you thinking it was maybe a secondary/bolstering effort to any complaints she might have filed with the Canadian Consulate to Belize? ('Just curious since I'm a US citizen and I'm not sure how things are perceived elsewhere in the world)

It appears DD's LinkedIn page/account is no longer active but wasn't he listed in electrical/solar power construction work?? And, isn't JD also involved in electrical construction??


Also, (probably of no value) but it appears that one of the casino/resort guys lives in West Palm Beach where DD learned to scuba dive - along with his pal TB.

I'm thinking that Drew filed a complaint with the US embassy about a US citizen in Belize. There would be no point in a Canadian filing a complaint about a US citizen to the Canadian embassy.

 

[fred&edna]

I'm thinking that Drew filed a complaint with the US embassy about a US citizen in Belize. There would be no point in a Canadian filing a complaint about a US citizen to the Canadian embassy.

'Gotcha.

ETA: I was thinking that if FM had a complaint to file against someone there would also be reports that she had done so. (Whether by legal action or via embassy/consulate). Not just reports that DD had filed a complaint. But, who knows? Thanks again for clarifying!

 

[Kamille]

(respectfully snipped and bolded by me)





From recollection: I believe it was a comment on a Facebook news article, where someone suggested checking out DD. This was before the bodies were found, and some people were thinking DD may have had some involvement in Francesca's disappearance.
One of Francesca's friends, NR, the one being quoted here replied to that comment defending DD saying he was a great guy that she had known him 8 years ago when he visited Belize (or something along those lines).

So I'm thinking, that it is possible that's how FM and DD met, through a common friend(s). JMO MOO

Well NR and her husband are the original owners of Scotty's Bar and Grill (I believe I read somewhere that they have now sold it?) and appear to have been very close friends to FM. So I'm guessing you're probably correct and that they met at Scotty's Bar and perhaps through NR.

https://internationalliving.com/il-radio-episode-19-open-sports-bar-in-corozal-belize/

MOO

 

[kmclaren]

I'm thinking that Drew filed a complaint with the US embassy about a US citizen in Belize. There would be no point in a Canadian filing a complaint about a US citizen to the Canadian embassy.

So is there a US citizen you have in mind? Do we know if the neighbour building the house next to Francesca's is an American or Canadian expat? I've been wondering if the reason behind her possibly selling her house was that new build and new neighbour...

 

[otto]

So is there a US citizen you have in mind? Do we know if the neighbour building the house next to Francesca's is an American or Canadian expat? I've been wondering if the reason behind her possibly selling her house was that new build and new neighbour...

I don't think that Richardson is Canadian .

"The Sun source and Lazarraga both said that Deshaies was terrified of Richardson.

“I told John not to get involved with Don Richardson,” the source said. “That guy is bad news.”

“He (Richardson) told Deshaies at Scotty’s, ‘I’m almost 80 and I’m going to live my life ... I have nothing to lose,’” said the source, who witnessed the incident. “And he also told John, ‘you need to leave the country.’” Another possibility is that it was the Matus’s boyfriend, the rugged former marine from Georgia, who was the target because of a complaint he’d filed with the American embassy."

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/05/09/belizes-wild-west-real-estate-market-behind-murders

 

[Kophy]

I don't think that Richardson is Canadian.

I'm quite sure I read that he was from California. He doesn't have much of a digital footprint. The only thing I can find on him before his comments to police, is that he was voted in as one of the Directors of a condo complex in Belize and the board then successfully sued another owner for maintenance fees. It doesn't appear relevant, but if anyone wants to look, you can google Strata Plan #22.

Whatever the ongoing issue is between JD and DR, I haven't read anything that would lead me to believe it involved FM or DD. IMO.


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