Belize - Francesca Matus, 52, & Drew De Voursney, 36, murdered, Corozal, 25 Apr 2017

[otto]

I'm quite sure I read that he was from California. He doesn't have much of a digital footprint. The only thing I can find on him before his comments to police, is that he was voted in as one of the Directors of a condo complex in Belize and the board then successfully sued another owner for maintenance fees. It doesn't appear relevant, but if anyone wants to look, you can google Strata Plan #22.

Whatever the ongoing issue is between JD and DR, I haven't read anything that would lead me to believe it involved FM or DD. IMO.


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The only comment from Don Richardson that caused me to pay attention is that he reported that Francesca was interested in selling her property. That seems rather convenient for a ruthless 80 year old man who is building a house where she has one.

 

[otto]

I've been thinking about where they were ambushed. I don't think that someone was in their car when they left Scotty's Grill. They were going to Francesca's house, so it must have been after they left Corozal and were on the isolated roads near her house. They were then taken back to Corozal and then North to the cane fields and Mexican border.

I don't think they were ambushed in Corozal because there would have been other people on the streets - someone would have seen something.

I doubt that it was random, and I don't think it's a robbery ... unless we consider theft of property.

 

[Kophy]

This video is a must watch from 7:00 minutes to 12:00 minutes.

It shows the very sandy laneway that goes to the mature sugarcane field that was about to be burned.

It clearly states that BOTH sugarcane fields were about to be burnt - the field with the vehicle AND the field with their bodies. I was always a little unclear about this.

It clearly shows JD's GF's SUV being examined by LE as well.

[video=vimeo;216606902]https://vimeo.com/216606902[/video]

Just looking for some clarification.

How do we know the SUV belongs to JD's gf?
- the reporter only says that they were taking samples "from another SUV"
- In JD's recent comments, he talks about taking his GF to work her stand every morning, so I was under the impression she didn't have her own vehicle.

Are there any eagle-eyed vehicle experts on who can identify the make/model of the vehicle by the little bit that is seen?
The police recovered a Nissan Xterra that was connected to that kidnapping and robbery last week. One of the guys lived in Ranchito Village and one in Corozal Town.

https://www.breakingbelizenews.com/2017/05/10/men-charged-kidnapping/

"G and BE were reportedly ahead of the car in a grey Nissan SUV allegedly clearing the path for EL, driving the car.

After a police chase, the SUV was found abandoned at a farm near Camp 1 in Shipyard."





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[Kophy]

Re: local knowledge
I've been assuming that a local was involved based on the bodies being found in cane fields that were about to be burned. Although locals may be involved, all mature cane fields are burned before harvest, so anyone near a cane field should know that. From this article, I gather that they are not burned as a whole, but rather in sections - only the section that will then be harvested immediately and loaded. So, IMO, the killers only knew that the fields would be burned soon, and given that the bodies were discovered (presumably) over 5 days after they died, the killers made a bad guess.

http://edition.channel5belize.com/archives/83972


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[otto]

Police need to focus on 'who benefits' to solve these murders. The more I think about it, the more I think they were ambushed on the deserted roads near Francesca's house, which means targeted attack, which means someone wanted her out of the picture. The only reason for that is because someone has an agenda and the only way to fulfill that agenda is to permanently remove her from the equation. The first person to make a move to profit from her death is very likely associated with her murder.

 

[Wondergirl]

The owner of the field was interviewed and a video was posted of him earlier in the thread.

I've seen different descriptions of why the landowner even went to the sugar road that day.

Some of the reasons that have been given are:

- he was checking the passes prior to burning them

- he smelled something foul and followed his nose

1. If he smelled something foul, just how far away is his home from the recovery location?

2. How often do vehicles travel down that sugar road?

3. Who works those fields and have they been interviewed?

4. Exactly who is the decision maker on when the burn would happen and who knew those details?

 

[Kamille]

You know we've followed so many cases on here of jilted lovers who murder those who have hurt or betrayed them. I wonder why that angle has never been brought into the discussion?

FM had been wintering in the country for at least the past 3 (or is it 4?) years. Is this the first time that she's found herself a male companion while there?

DD never mentioned FM to his family, nor did he post any pictures of her on facebook or mention her at all. Was he only seeing her while he was there? Did he see anyone else in Belize before he met her and choose FM over them? Or was he seeing more than one woman? Same for her.

I just wonder if all of these angles have been explored. Because it does seem more like a "crime of passion" than a "hit" based on the cause and manner of death. A lot of us have indicated that we feel it's personal and possibly local (based on no weapon and the dump locations). But that doesn't mean it can't be an expat with knowledge of local sugar cane practices.

So why both of them? There must have been plenty of times when they were not together...or were there? Did someone run out of time to murder FM, because she was the target, and that night was their last opportunity? Which is why they also had to deal with DD? If they just wanted to kill DD you'd think they would have waited until FM was out of the country and he was back to being alone.

MOO

 

[otto]

The owner of the field was interviewed and a video was posted of him earlier in the thread.

I've seen different descriptions of why the landowner even went to the sugar road that day.

Some of the reasons that have been given are:

- he was checking the passes prior to burning them

- he smelled something foul and followed his nose

1. If he smelled something foul, just how far away is his home from the recovery location?

2. How often do vehicles travel down that sugar road?

3. Who works those fields and have they been interviewed?

4. Exactly who is the decision maker on when the burn would happen and who knew those details?

The smell of dead animals travels a long distance with a small breeze. I read that he was checking his fields and could smell death, and that's when he discovered the bodies. I don't see anything odd about that.

 

[Kamille]

The smell of dead animals travels a long distance with a small breeze. I read that he was checking his fields and could smell death, and that's when he discovered the bodies. I don't see anything odd about that.

I agree. I think it's more a combination of both. He went to check the fields and while there smelled something foul that he proceeded to investigate.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

But the contractor’s lawyer believe Deshaies’ rights may have been violated.

He was moved from jail to jail — apparently with the necessary permission. His young wife was not allowed to bring him a change of clothes or toothpaste, Bradley added.

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/05/13/belize-double-slay-suspect-out-on-bail

I don't recall Richard "Dickie" Bradley being the first attorney that was reported to be representing JD. He seems very prominent in Belize news...there are a lot of videos and quotes by him in local news clips and articles. I wonder if the Canadian Consulate helped set him up with a better lawyer after his rights were being trampled on at the beginning?

 

[fred&edna]

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/05/13/belize-double-slay-suspect-out-on-bail

I don't recall Richard "Dickie" Bradley being the first attorney that was reported to be representing JD. He seems very prominent in Belize news...there are a lot of videos and quotes by him in local news clips and articles. I wonder if the Canadian Consulate helped set him up with a better lawyer after his rights were being trampled on at the beginning?

Hmmm... I believe Bradley represented Melissa Ferguson (wife of William Mason-I mentioned him in a previous post on this thread)

"Melissa Ferguson will spend her first night in prison tonight and her future is now unknown. According to her attorney, Richard Dickie Bradley..."

http://lovefm.com/2016/08/10/melissa-ferguson-shocked-at-polices-charges-against-her/

"Her attorney Dickie Bradley believes that such ruling by the court should have been from the very beginning of the case. “They never had an actual case against her,” said Bradley. “Her charge was connected to the kidnapping and brutal murder of Pastor Lucas.” Lucas’ head was found in a bucket, in the back of Mason’s pickup in July of 2016."

https://www.sanpedrosun.com/crime-a...asons-trial-coming-melissa-ferguson-set-free/

 

[Kophy]

The owner of the field was interviewed and a video was posted of him earlier in the thread.

I've seen different descriptions of why the landowner even went to the sugar road that day.

Some of the reasons that have been given are:

- he was checking the passes prior to burning them

- he smelled something foul and followed his nose

1. If he smelled something foul, just how far away is his home from the recovery location?

2. How often do vehicles travel down that sugar road?

3. Who works those fields and have they been interviewed?

4. Exactly who is the decision maker on when the burn would happen and who knew those details?

From the article I posted last night, I gather that the cane is burned in sections at a time. They cut a safe line (Garda raya) through the cane so the fire doesn't jump from one section to another, much like a forest fire fighter would do. So, for someone in charge to walk that line to ensure everything is ready to go, sounds reasonable.

If the killers knew the details of when the burn would happen, surely they would have chosen a section that was going to be burned 4-5 days earlier? JMO


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[fred&edna]

You know we've followed so many cases on here of jilted lovers who murder those who have hurt or betrayed them. I wonder why that angle has never been brought into the discussion?

FM had been wintering in the country for at least the past 3 (or is it 4?) years. Is this the first time that she's found herself a male companion while there?

DD never mentioned FM to his family, nor did he post any pictures of her on facebook or mention her at all. Was he only seeing her while he was there? Did he see anyone else in Belize before he met her and choose FM over them? Or was he seeing more than one woman? Same for her.

I just wonder if all of these angles have been explored. Because it does seem more like a "crime of passion" than a "hit" based on the cause and manner of death. A lot of us have indicated that we feel it's personal and possibly local (based on no weapon and the dump locations). But that doesn't mean it can't be an expat with knowledge of local sugar cane practices.

So why both of them? There must have been plenty of times when they were not together...or were there? Did someone run out of time to murder FM, because she was the target, and that night was their last opportunity? Which is why they also had to deal with DD? If they just wanted to kill DD you'd think they would have waited until FM was out of the country and he was back to being alone.

MOO

I was kinda' hinting at similar scenario with my previous post regarding DD's FB posts. But, a "crime of passion" theory has as many holes (if not more) as any other we've considered. 'Seems it's another case with very little information to even feel confident in guessing.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Corozal-25-April-2017&p=13373746#post13373746

 

[Kophy]

I was kinda' hinting at similar scenario with my previous post regarding DD's FB posts. But, a "crime of passion" theory has as many holes (if not more) as any other we've considered. 'Seems it's another case with very little information to even feel confident in guessing.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Corozal-25-April-2017&p=13373746#post13373746

Agreed.
Without more information, we're really just grasping at straws. I'm still kind of attached to my serial bad guy - has anyone had a chance to look at the grey SUV yet? The FBI apparently thought it might be important and I still haven't had an answer from WG about what led her to believe it was connected to JD's girlfriend.


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[Wondergirl]

Agreed.
Without more information, we're really just grasping at straws. I'm still kind of attached to my serial bad guy - has anyone had a chance to look at the grey SUV yet? The FBI apparently thought it might be important and I still haven't had an answer from WG about what led her to believe it was connected to JD's girlfriend.


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The reporter said it was her vehicle in one of the video's I watched (90% sure if this). I did watch alot of video's, so maybe I'm confused.

Since we are discussing her, she has some sketchy associations. That's all I'm going to say about that.

WG

 

[Kamille]

Canadian John Deshaies was released on bail this morning by Justice Antionette Moore. Deshaies has been named as a suspect in the double murder of Canadian American couple, Francesca Matus and Drew Devoursney. No charges have been levied against Deshaies in relation to that matter, however, on May 5, he was charged for theft and handling stolen goods for a separate matter. In that case, Deshaies is accused of stealing more than fifty thousand dollars worth of equipment from the Placencia Casino. It is for that matter that he received a bail of twenty thousand dollars. His team of attorneys includes, Estevan Perrera, Kevin Arthurs and Richard “Dickie” Bradley. Deshaies’ bail conditions include that he must surrender his Canadian passport; he cannot travel outside of Belize without the court’s permission, he is to report to the Corozal police station between the hours of 6am and 6pm every Friday commencing on May 19, he is not to interfere in any way with the complainant or witnesses, he is not to be rearrested for any reason during his bail and he is to reappear in court for his next court date on November 6, 2017.

https://www.facebook.com/Corozal-Daily-1425967307619640/?fref=nf

 

[Hazel]

Just looking for some clarification.

How do we know the SUV belongs to JD's gf?
- the reporter only says that they were taking samples "from another SUV"
- In JD's recent comments, he talks about taking his GF to work her stand every morning, so I was under the impression she didn't have her own vehicle.

Are there any eagle-eyed vehicle experts on who can identify the make/model of the vehicle by the little bit that is seen?
The police recovered a Nissan Xterra that was connected to that kidnapping and robbery last week. One of the guys lived in Ranchito Village and one in Corozal Town.

https://www.breakingbelizenews.com/2017/05/10/men-charged-kidnapping/

"G and BE were reportedly ahead of the car in a grey Nissan SUV allegedly clearing the path for EL, driving the car.

After a police chase, the SUV was found abandoned at a farm near Camp 1 in Shipyard."



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Could JD be the owner of the grey SUV? These interview transcripts are verbatim. MOO

John DeShaies
“I don’t need to have any counsel because I’ve never done anything. I’ve had full negotiations with the F.B.I. I’ve gone over everything and they’ve gotten all my information. They’ve taken my DNA, they’ve checked my vehicles and they checked my vehicles, they’ve checked the entire house. There’s no reason why I would need counsel.”

http://edition.channel5belize.com/archives/146156

 

[Kophy]

The reporter said it was her vehicle in one of the video's I watched (90% sure if this). I did watch alot of video's, so maybe I'm confused.

Since we are discussing her, she has some sketchy associations. That's all I'm going to say about that.

WG

Thanks WG - I did watch it again and the reporter only says "The FBI was also collecting samples from another SUV"

 

[Kophy]

Could JD be the owner of the grey SUV? These interview transcripts are verbatim. MOO

John DeShaies
“I don’t need to have any counsel because I’ve never done anything. I’ve had full negotiations with the F.B.I. I’ve gone over everything and they’ve gotten all my information. They’ve taken my DNA, they’ve checked my vehicles and they checked my vehicles, they’ve checked the entire house. There’s no reason why I would need counsel.”

http://edition.channel5belize.com/archives/146156

Could be. But then I wonder why he would have two vehicles and still need drive his girlfriend to work every morning. The handyman interviewed early on only mentions the blue truck. I'd really like to know what the make and model is so I can move on. Right now, that's the only "lead" in my mind - all of our theories are just that. Nothing to substantiate any of it and it all just seems so conspiratorial. But if the FBI were checking out the Nissan that came in Thursday...that would hopefully mean they were on to something. I guess in my heart I'm hoping they have the killers, (2 of them anyway) whether they can confirm or not right now. Otherwise it means somebody really dangerous is still loose out there.

PaxBelize? Are you anywhere near Corozal?



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[LayzeeDayzee]

https://www.facebook.com/Corozal-Daily-1425967307619640/?fref=nf

Color me confused but I recently read transcripts of an interview with him, posted here, where he bragged about how he doesn't need legal counsel becuz he's innocent and the FBI have inviestgaged him, have his DNA, check his vehicles, etc. Yet the article above indicates he has a "legal team" of 3 lawyers Perrara, Arthurs and Bradley. So which is it?