Bobbi Kristina Brown found unresponsive in bathtub. #2

[K_Z]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...rown-organs-shutting-report-article-1.2115240

Very sad. I know some don't agree, but I'm always dismayed and so very sad to see some families insist on making this kind of situation go on and on, and forcing the loved one to badly deteriorate. Even as I know that the person is not suffering, and the living relatives and the staff caring for the bodies of those unfortunate ones are suffering the most. It just feels disrespectful to me to force someone to lay there and deteriorate, when there is no hope of anything physical, but certain death. That's my opinion, probably because I've had to see this far too many times in my career.

I know there are other kinds of hope.

I wish someone would tell BB that it's almost a given that BK's eventual autopsy will be public someday. He should spare her the indignity of that deterioration being made public, IMO.

 

[passionflower]

Beautiful home, I could get lost if I wanted to, very easily. I don't know but, I doubt if Lomas would be watching every move that Nick was making.

I was wondering if NG was in another bathroom with door closed cleaning himself up or he was in another part of house like a balcony........his hand was hurt wasn't it?

 

[Luvrosco]

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I had issues on Tapatalk.... If you look at the quoted posts above, there are an extra set of "http://" in the URL Or
"http://http://www" in the URL

To a computer, that's like getting the zip code wrong.

However,

Here's the mobile version: :tyou: Luvrosco for sharing this story with the thread :heartluv:

http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2015/02/14/bobbi-kristina-dying-organs-failing-life-support

HTH

ETA: my thoughts on the link and a few other things.....
(FYI TMZ removed the media / ?video? From this news story):

As for the link., I'm just sad, broken hearted, and wishing I could foresee some resolution for Ms. Bobbi Kristina, and her loved ones. Today is Valentine's Day, and she is physically near some of her family and loved ones - separated from others she has loved from her teenage and young adult life. Now, they couldn't be farther away from her.
I realize some don't believe she can be aware of them at all. The fact is, we don't know enough to make this call with any certainty. If NG has been documented as her abuser, I am truly conflicted as to whether or not he should be allowed at her bedside. If they were already married, and no TRO were already in place, I'm sure they could still have figured out the legal maneuvers to keep him away (without as much leverage, IYKWIM).

FTSOC, let's say he hasn't been abusive, and these accusations have all been lies (for the moment), his presence (if Bobby Kristina's condition is not too far gone), may actually have some response to his presence or voice. They won't know until he is allowed there to try. I am somewhat puzzled that this hasn't been attempted - at least once or twice. Perhaps they are unable or unwilling to leave that "last resort" option until the end (or perhaps NG can't stand to see Krissi that way?) :dunno:

I'm just thinking out loud this morning. My wedding anniversary to my ex was on Valentine's Day. It didn't end well (not that that's what happened here, but I can't help but wonder what this beautiful young woman was going through that morning. She had SO much going on, and yet, I want to believe she had more to live for than anything else! :heartbeat:

Insomnia and worry = long post (my apologies) :blushing:

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So sorry,I messed up the link. Your post was so thoughtful. This is such a tragic situation.

 

[leah]

I was wondering if NG was in another bathroom with door closed cleaning himself up or he was in another part of house like a balcony........his hand was hurt wasn't it?

I'm not sure about his hand.

 

[nosysw]

I had issues on Tapatalk.... If you look at the quoted posts above, there are an extra set of "http://" in the URL Or
"http://http://www" in the URL

To a computer, that's like getting the zip code wrong.

However,

Here's the mobile version: :tyou: Luvrosco for sharing this story with the thread :heartluv:

http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2015/02/14/bobbi-kristina-dying-organs-failing-life-support

HTH

ETA: my thoughts on the link and a few other things.....
(FYI TMZ removed the media / ?video? From this news story):

As for the link., I'm just sad, broken hearted, and wishing I could foresee some resolution for Ms. Bobbi Kristina, and her loved ones. Today is Valentine's Day, and she is physically near some of her family and loved ones - separated from others she has loved from her teenage and young adult life. Now, they couldn't be farther away from her.
I realize some don't believe she can be aware of them at all. The fact is, we don't know enough to make this call with any certainty. If NG has been documented as her abuser, I am truly conflicted as to whether or not he should be allowed at her bedside. If they were already married, and no TRO were already in place, I'm sure they could still have figured out the legal maneuvers to keep him away (without as much leverage, IYKWIM).

FTSOC, let's say he hasn't been abusive, and these accusations have all been lies (for the moment), his presence (if Bobby Kristina's condition is not too far gone), may actually have some response to his presence or voice. They won't know until he is allowed there to try. I am somewhat puzzled that this hasn't been attempted - at least once or twice. Perhaps they are unable or unwilling to leave that "last resort" option until the end (or perhaps NG can't stand to see Krissi that way?) :dunno:

I'm just thinking out loud this morning. My wedding anniversary to my ex was on Valentine's Day. It didn't end well (not that that's what happened here, but I can't help but wonder what this beautiful young woman was going through that morning. She had SO much going on, and yet, I want to believe she had more to live for than anything else! :heartbeat:

Insomnia and worry = long post (my apologies) :blushing:

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Above BBM:

Yes, this is what I was alluding to in my previous post. I know most feel he has some complicity in her situation, and I may not have read everything, so I don't really know. But, I agree it is definitely worth a shot, if there is nothing concrete definitively connecting him to causing this tragedy. For BK's sake. If anything, maybe it could bring her some comfort.

 

[kato]

I find this post very upsetting.

Celebrity or not, he's her Daddy.
Addict or not, he's her Daddy.
Perfect or not, he's her Daddy.
And she's his baby girl.

I know for a fact he loves his baby girl.
I know for a fact, she loves her Daddy.

How people can be so insensitive and judgmental in the time of heart wrenching tragedy is beyond me.

JMO

AMEN to that!

 

[kato]

Lots of people grow up in dysfunctional, or less than perfect, families. The difference lies in how one chooses to live their life after growing up in such circumstances. At some point, it's no longer your parents' fault for how you were raised, but your own fault, for how you choose to live your adult life.

Not meant as an attack on you, simply using your post as a jumping off platform.

Free will. We all have it though some do not use it & blame others for their problems

 

[Hiandmighty]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...rown-organs-shutting-report-article-1.2115240

Very sad. I know some don't agree, but I'm always dismayed and so very sad to see some families insist on making this kind of situation go on and on, and forcing the loved one to badly deteriorate. Even as I know that the person is not suffering, and the living relatives and the staff caring for the bodies of those unfortunate ones are suffering the most. It just feels disrespectful to me to force someone to lay there and deteriorate, when there is no hope of anything physical, but certain death. That's my opinion, probably because I've had to see this far too many times in my career.

I know there are other kinds of hope.

I wish someone would tell BB that it's almost a given that BK's eventual autopsy will be public someday. He should spare her the indignity of that deterioration being made public, IMO.

I agree because i feel like the family members are making a decision based on themselves and not the best interest of the person. Like they can't handle the loss so they allow the person to linger so they dont have to grieve in the way they would if the person had a death certificate.

 

[bettybaby00]

Above BBM:

Yes, this is what I was alluding to in my previous post. I know most feel he has some complicity in her situation, and I may not have read everything, so I don't really know. But, I agree it is definitely worth a shot, if there is nothing concrete definitively connecting him to causing this tragedy. For BK's sake. If anything, maybe it could bring her some comfort.

This is incredibly sad, and I can't help but wonder if the abuse insinuations are false. One would think that if it were a really abusive situation, someone would know about it. Obviously we don't know the whole story, but it would be tragic to find out NG was kept away from BK simply b/c they don't "like him."

 

[MsFacetious]

I hear you. And yet I am still very puzzled by why, if she chose to identify NG as her husband, and was so devoted to him, she did not apparently legally marry him. They both apparently opted to call themselves husband and wife without benefit of the law or officiation by any certified individual. Why? They certainly could have done so. They are not blood relatives, they are both adults in the eyes of the law. And yet they apparently didn't.

In addition, since LE appears to be investigating this situation as a crime, I am very happy he has no access to her until that has been satisfactorily resolved.

After 12.5 years I am still not legally married.
Though technically in my state we do have common law marriage.

I simply haven't required a piece of paper to prove my commitment.
I have MORE than proven it in longevity and devotion.
My sister in law has been legally married to 3 men in the time I've been with her brother. :twocents:

I wouldn't want a big wedding as I don't like an audience to my personal life.
So really, it seems like a bit of a waste to even get married.
However, we do plan on doing it and we do have the legal things in place already. (I'm next of kin, beneficiary, etc.)

I also wonder if BK had a hard time with the thought of getting married without her mother there.
It will be quite difficult for us to get married without Grandpa singing at the wedding.
He sang at every other grandchild's wedding that has been married so far.
It is possible that the thought of her wedding day without her mother was something BK just could not face. :twocents:

 

[DexterMorgan]

Breaking News: Since bobby is her sole parent then he will have access to bk checks as long as she is still not issued a death certificate. But hopefully he will not do that (especially since her remaining 2 checks will take 4 and 9 years to come) . The Houstons will probably buy him out if they feel he is only prolonging things for the money. But I dont think bobby is that coniving to sell his parental rights nor to prolong her death for financial gains. Jmo
But I am sure lawyers on both sides are gearing up just in case.

 

[Kateyes]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...rown-organs-shutting-report-article-1.2115240

Very sad. I know some don't agree, but I'm always dismayed and so very sad to see some families insist on making this kind of situation go on and on, and forcing the loved one to badly deteriorate. Even as I know that the person is not suffering, and the living relatives and the staff caring for the bodies of those unfortunate ones are suffering the most. It just feels disrespectful to me to force someone to lay there and deteriorate, when there is no hope of anything physical, but certain death. That's my opinion, probably because I've had to see this far too many times in my career.

I know there are other kinds of hope.

I wish someone would tell BB that it's almost a given that BK's eventual autopsy will be public someday. He should spare her the indignity of that deterioration being made public, IMO.

K_Z - Your have captured exactly how I feel. It is so hard to see someone lay there, provide the nursing care, and realize the family cannot come to terms with the loss, so the body continues on the vent, with no hope of recovery until the family comes to accept the inevitability of their loss, and lets their loved one go, and no longer be suspended in limbo. I wish someone - a trusted member of the hospital/medical staff - could help BB see that letting her go is to grant her some dignity to her death. There will be no other outcome, IMO, so I pray they will see this and allow her to have as much dignity as possible in her passing.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Breaking News: Since bobby is her sole parent then he will have access to bk checks as long as she is still not issued a death certificate. But hopefully he will not do that. The Houstons will probably buy him out if they feel he is only prolonging things for the money. But I dont think bobby is that coniving to sell his parental rights nor to prolong her death for financial gains. Jmo
But I am sure lawyers on both sides are gearing up just in case.

Is there a link for this "breaking news"?

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Breaking News: Since bobby is her sole parent then he will have access to bk checks as long as she is still not issued a death certificate. But hopefully he will not do that (especially since her remaining 2 checks will take 4 and 9 years to come) . The Houstons will probably buy him out if they feel he is only prolonging things for the money. But I dont think bobby is that coniving to sell his parental rights nor to prolong her death for financial gains. Jmo
But I am sure lawyers on both sides are gearing up just in case.

He could only have that access if she left legal directives, because she's an adult. It doesn't automatically revert to him.

 

[tlcya]

Marion "Pat" Houston
Marion "Pat" Houston is one of the lesser-known players in this situation, but she plays a key role. She is married to Whitney's brother Gary and serves as the executor of the trust fund left to Bobbi Kristina. In other words, it's Bobbi Kristina's money, but Pat controls it. Last March, Pat petitioned for a temporary protective order against Nick Gordon, alleging that he had "made threatening comments and posted photos of guns with the intention of making petitioner fearful for her personal safety. Respondent then posted more photos of guns later and has sent harassing texts." There may be more to that story, though, as a police report indicated that Pat claimed that Nick wanted Bobbi Kristina's monthly allowance increased — and when she refused, he began making threatening and harassing statements toward the family

Read more: http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...browns-hospital-visitors-201592#ixzz3RkPS4ytK
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[DexterMorgan]

He could only have that access if she left legal directives, because she's an adult. It doesn't automatically revert to him.

Since he decides her care, he can have her funds allocated towards that plus enough to provide a good lifestyle for him while he and his staff is caring for her. But Iam sure there would be a big court case on how much will be allocated for all of this.

 

[tlcya]

The only thing Bobby Brown may possibly control while BK is in this state is her monthly allowance, and then only if she had named him as her POA/financial agent if she herself became incompetent. I personally do not think she probably had any POAs in place. I also feel pretty sure, because of the rift between Brown and the Houston clan, if he wanted control of that allowance from her trust, he would have to go to a court and be declared her guardian and her a disabled adult. That has not happened.

This leads me to believe Bobby's motivation for continuing to keep BK on life support is a deeply personal daddy having a hard time letting go one and not at all related to finance. JMO

 

[Luvrosco]

Marion "Pat" Houston
Marion "Pat" Houston is one of the lesser-known players in this situation, but she plays a key role. She is married to Whitney's brother Gary and serves as the executor of the trust fund left to Bobbi Kristina. In other words, it's Bobbi Kristina's money, but Pat controls it. Last March, Pat petitioned for a temporary protective order against Nick Gordon, alleging that he had "made threatening comments and posted photos of guns with the intention of making petitioner fearful for her personal safety. Respondent then posted more photos of guns later and has sent harassing texts." There may be more to that story, though, as a police report indicated that Pat claimed that Nick wanted Bobbi Kristina's monthly allowance increased — and when she refused, he began making threatening and harassing statements toward the family

Read more: http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...browns-hospital-visitors-201592#ixzz3RkPS4ytK
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Thanks for posting this. I remember hearing this somewhere,but I didn't know who was actually in charge of BK's money. I'm sure LE would be interested in this if they find foul play.

 

[passionflower]

K_Z - Your have captured exactly how I feel. It is so hard to see someone lay there, provide the nursing care, and realize the family cannot come to terms with the loss, so the body continues on the vent, with no hope of recovery until the family comes to accept the inevitability of their loss, and lets their loved one go, and no longer be suspended in limbo. I wish someone - a trusted member of the hospital/medical staff - could help BB see that letting her go is to grant her some dignity to her death. There will be no other outcome, IMO, so I pray they will see this and allow her to have as much dignity as possible in her passing.

Prayers that the family can let her go now. How long can her poor body take this shut down?? :rose:

 

[DexterMorgan]

He could only have that access if she left legal directives, because she's an adult. It doesn't automatically revert to him.

Btw: Unless she has a power of attorney then due to her condition only bobby can decide what will be done and he can use her funds to do it. But as far as future checks; He would need a court to decide how much of her money can be allocated on a monthly basis for caretaking purposes and other basics. Now Pat controls bk money and increments of the 3 checks that were suppose to be issued from ages 21 to 30. But if bobby decided to keep bk alive then pat will have to make sure that future checks are being provided to her caring which will be decided by bobby and the courts. But like I said; I dont think that bb is that coniving to prolong his daughters death for financial gain. But he may do it out of spite so the houstons cant have it either. But I doubt that. But I do think that the houstons will offer him a severance package to end all ties. They had enough of having to deal with bobby and they just want him gone and want bk to be with her mother and God. Jmo