Bosma Murder Trial 02.08.16 - Day 5

[Honey_West]

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 12:19 PM
Sachak asking about which way the vehicles were going -- he also asks if people in the vehicle were "horsing around." Bullman says no. “Are you certain about that?” Sachak says. “100%” he responds.

 

[Juballee]

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 10:39 AM
Tumanenko now being excused.

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 10:38 AM
Tumanenko said he was going to take the truck to a dealership if he didn't sell it on a test drive. Dungey pressing him on if the taller man tried to haggle at all. "He didn't bargain with you to lower the price, did he? Normally when someone is going to buy a used truck, he's going to bargain with you, right?" Dungey asks. Tumanenko says there was no attempt to bargain at all.

Didn't Ivan say on Friday that the taller man asked him how low he would considering going, and Ivan told him that there was no room for negotiations?

edit: Sorry, I didn't realize that this had been brought up already, it goes to show how far behind I am in reading.

In my opinion, asking a seller if they will accept a lower price is negotiating. Negotiations are over when one party says that they are unwilling to compromise.

 

[inbetweendoors]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 57s58 seconds ago
Sachak asks if people in the vehicle were "horsing around." Bullman says no. #HamOnt #TimBosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 1m1 minute ago
Sakach drops the "horsing around issue." #MillardSmich

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
Sakach asks Bullmann if the ppl in the vehicles seemed to be horsing around. Bullmann says he didn't say that. "Certain. 100%."



Any thoughts on that line of questioning by DM's lawyer?

 

[meterclicks]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 57s58 seconds ago
Sachak asks if people in the vehicle were "horsing around." Bullman says no. #HamOnt #TimBosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 1m1 minute ago
Sakach drops the "horsing around issue." #MillardSmich

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
Sakach asks Bullmann if the ppl in the vehicles seemed to be horsing around. Bullmann says he didn't say that. "Certain. 100%."



Any thoughts on that line of questioning by DM's lawyer?

That something could have happened by accident is my guess.

Or not lol. Next tweets sort of clarify what he was getting at.

 

[inbetweendoors]

Didn't Ivan say on Friday that the taller man asked him how low he would considering going, and Ivan told him that there was no room for negotiations?

Yes, we were discussing that earlier in this thread. Only Mark Carcasole tweeted that exact thing, so it could be his error? Still seems strange to me...

 

[Honey_West]

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 12:23 PM
"The point I want to make is that as time goes on, memories fade," Sachak says.

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 12:23 PM
Sachak pressing Bullman on his police statement. In that statement, he said "I just figured it was just someone just horsing around in the field."

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 12:21 PM
Sachak asks if Bullman was telling the truth when he gave statements to police on June 20 and June 25. He says yes.

 

[inbetweendoors]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak asks if Bullman was telling the truth when he gave statements to police on June 20 and June 25. He says yes. #HamOnt #TimBosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
Sakach asks Bullmann if he was honest, accurate in police statement. Bullmann says he was as honest as he could be. #MillardSmich

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
He gave an audio statement to police on June 25, 2013.

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 3m3 minutes ago
Sakach asks Bullmann if he made two statements to police. He confirms "Yes." June 20 over phone, June 25 tape recorded. #Millard

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Sachak asking if his first impression was that the vehicles were horsing around (on dads property). RB: no. Assumed at first dumping garbage

 

[inbetweendoors]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 54s54 seconds ago
Sachak says not an important point but trying to show that over time, memory fades. #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 1m1 minute ago
Having Bullmann read statement to police, Sakach points out he DID use term "horsing around" to police. Thought ppl were doing so in field.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak quotes statement he gave to police back at the time, in which he says he figured the vehicles were horsing around. #Bosma

 

[redheart]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak asks if Bullman was telling the truth when he gave statements to police on June 20 and June 25. He says yes. #HamOnt #TimBosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
Sakach asks Bullmann if he was honest, accurate in police statement. Bullmann says he was as honest as he could be. #MillardSmich

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
He gave an audio statement to police on June 25, 2013.

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 3m3 minutes ago
Sakach asks Bullmann if he made two statements to police. He confirms "Yes." June 20 over phone, June 25 tape recorded. #Millard

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Sachak asking if his first impression was that the vehicles were horsing around (on dads property). RB: no. Assumed at first dumping garbage



Is he questioning the witness's integrity?

When there's a mountain of evidence against your client, you just throw mud at anything you possibly can...

 

[NashBridges2]

I wish people would quit assuming there's a 3rd vehicle or person involved. There has been no evidence presented, no mention of that from the police etc. LE would not just give someone a free pass, if they believed there was a 3rd person.

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

Thanks for that! Still would be pretty visible from Trinity though, eh?

Hard to say....looking at the Google Street View....there appears to be a long line of trees and bushes along that side of Trinity. Not sure how filled in they would be in early May. Also looks like a bit of a contour to the ground there. The parked vehicle very likely was blocked from view from both Trinity and Book.

 

[Honey_West]

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 12:27 PM
Sachak now done cross examination. Dungey has no questions. Bullman is excused.

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 12:26 PM
A lot of officers combed through his father's field after Bosma disappeared, Bullman says.

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 12:24 PM
Sachak says he was not trying to insinuate that Bullman was intentionally misleading the jury.

 

[Honey_West]

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 12:28 PM
Next witness is Sgt. Stuart Oxley.

 

[inbetweendoors]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak asks about K-9 unit search, whether it was a careful detailed search. Not a quick one. RB agrees. #Bosma
No Qs from Dungey.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Sachak now done cross examination. Dungey has no questions. Bullman is excused. #HamOnt #TimBosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 3m3 minutes ago
#Millard lawyer wraps cross exam of Bullmann. #Smich lawyer has no questions.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
He watched police and a K-9 unit searching field.

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 33s33 seconds ago
Vehicles were travelling toward Brantford. He did not see who was inside.

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 1m1 minute ago
Bullmann tells #Millard lawyer he did not see which way the two vehicles turned. Only able to see they that were headed toward Brantford.




.......does that even make sense?

It does. The entrance to that field is on Book Rd. Earlier he said he saw them pull out of the field and cross Trinity towards Brantford. Initially we all thought the 2nd vehicle was parked along Trinity. It was actually just around the corner off of Trinity.

 

[inbetweendoors]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 53s54 seconds ago
Next witness: HPS Det. Sgt. Stuart Oxley. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
Next witness is Sgt. Stuart Oxley. #HamOnt #TimBosma #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
Next witness: Officer Stu Oxley. @HamiltonPolice officer who arrested Dellen #Millard



YES!

 

[Honey_West]

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 12:31 PM
He was a Sgt. in the surveillance unit when MIllard was arrested.

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 12:30 PM
Assistant Crown Craig Fraser asking questions now.

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 12:29 PM
He has been with Hamilton police since 2000. He was with Toronto police before that.

 

[Avvocato]

I wonder if police took tire impressions that can prove TB's truck and vehicle belonging to accused were on that property.

 

[inbetweendoors]

It does. The entrance to that field is on Book Rd. Earlier he said he saw them pull out of the field and cross Trinity towards Brantford. Initially we all thought the 2nd vehicle was parked along Trinity. It was actually just around the corner off of Trinity.

Sorry, what I meant was that if he didn't see which way they turned, how did he know they were headed towards Brantford?

Meh, I don't really care anymore actually lol too much else going on

 

[inbetweendoors]

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 1m1 minute ago
Oxley was a Sgt. in @HamiltonPolice surveillance unit at the time of #TimBosma case. Order to arrest #Millard came down May 10/13

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
Oxley was a Sgt. in the surveillance unit when Millard was arrested. #HamOnt #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Oxley was officer in surveillance unit who arrested Dellen Millard on May 10, 2013. #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
Crown prosecutor Craig Fraser begins examination in Chief.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Now Sgt. Stuart Oxley of @HamiltonPolice. May 10, 2013 became involved with #bosma case.