I wonder if the Bobcat owner ever got it back.
I hope it belonged to the mafia.
I wonder if the Bobcat owner ever got it back.
Yes, he is. And there's enough evidence that they're also going directly to trial. This murder was 10 months before Tim's. That's a long time for "scared, confused" MS to develop a closer and closer bond with DM.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...-to-trial-in-death-of-laura-babcock-1.3225820
Yes. DM is easy, I won't even explain that.
MS is guilty. I would dismiss most of his testimony, because I think it is untruthful and self-serving
That leaves me with:
-him posing with guns
-knowledge of the mission
-told to bring a change of clothes
-referring to the mission as "fireworks"
-texting fireside furniture and sausages to DM in the middle of mission discussion
-celebratory (or happy) mood of DM and MS per MM following the mission
-direct participation in a great deal of the cleanup
-not going to police at any time
-asking for the drugs and "the other thing" and then getting rid of the gun
I'm sure there's more. Some of those things can be explained, but it becomes unreasonable to find an explanation for each one. Put them all together and I firmly believe that MS knew that murdering and incinerating Tim was the plan and was a willing participant, even if he didn't do the shooting.
MOO
I have a question for you. Or anyone here who believes MS story (personally I'm on the fence right now until after cross etc so I'm not judging your stance in any way)
But, if DM had've got on the stand first, and recited the jailhouse letters as he rehearsed, would your feeling be the same about MS?
That will change when DM gets on the stand and tells the jury that MS carried the gun into the truck. DM had no place to conceal it. SB already testified he wasn't wearing a man purse.
DM will maybe say that MS had the gun in the Yukon and when they stopped he went up to the truck's driver's window. DM rolled it down. MS raised the gun and shot TB, the bullet passing in front of DM. That is the only way that I can see TB wouldn't have been able to reach at the gun and try to get it away.
TD stopped the story short. He didn't question MS about what went on between burying the gun and getting arrested. He didn't ask him about what was said during the famous call from CN. TD planned to ask more questions, but didn't. Something changed. I wonder if the Crown was offering a lesser sentence AATF, but they withdrew it because MS's testimony didn't offer enough new evidence.
I wonder if the City of Oakville ever got their woodchipper back.
Trial on for 15 minutes on Monday, no court on Tuesday, full day on Wednesday (10 am - 4 pm with breaks and lunch), 15 minutes on Thursday, and done for the week !?!? At this rate, it will drag on for another 4 months....
I understand it as he no longer has that option because he declined to present any evidence or testify when it was his turn. Not that his testimony won't do him any good (although I don't believe it could.....) MOO
ETA - if you check out SC's twitter she explains to a question about why Crown/Dungey say DM won't be allowed to testify (I know I can't post it here....but it's specific and cites a case)
Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 7m7 minutes ago
I guess we'll see. Not sure any "unexpected" evidence came from Smich's testimony. That's the test. #Bosma
I have a question for you. Or anyone here who believes MS story (personally I'm on the fence right now until after cross etc so I'm not judging your stance in any way)
But, if DM had've got on the stand first, and recited the jailhouse letters as he rehearsed, would your feeling be the same about MS?
Serious point for a sec...the litany of theft evidence yesterday gave me one of my occasional surges of sadness and empathy for DM. When you're a privileged person stealing things you can't even identify you're probably sick with something. It was one of those times when I imagined a really difficult emotional history for DM as a child. It won't surprise me at all if we eventually find out there was something there in his past, something sad and destructive.
But, IMHO, it's not just good enough to say the guy is lying- a Juror has to make that call. MS did address the change of cloths- that was usually a precursor to a theft. To paraphrase his evidence, he said that you didn't want to wear the same thing during and after the theft. It was just something they did. Missions? Those were the thieving missions he assisted DM with- and lots of those didn't involve DM's other pals, IIRC, just MS and DM were involved. The fireworks and the fireside furniture is the most interesting. IMHO, TD didn't touch on these things for a reason- I'm thinking he's fully aware of what they relate to. Perhaps the fireside furniture was something that MS had scoped out for DM and maybe they always lit fireworks off after a successful mission or something. Whatever it is, the fact that TD didn't touch on it and left it open for the Crown and DM's D, gives me reason to think that there's a legit reason behind both of these things. TD doesn't seem to be the type of lawyer who would leave loose ends like that. Now, it's just another hurry up and wait until next Monday!! arghhh MOOBut, THIS
Nice summary redheart.
Where did you get this information?
Yes I would still feel the same because his letter literature wouldn't have changed even if he was to recite them himself.
That was a lot of lead up to nothing. Odd place to leave off.
I think they wanted to give the legal interns a chance to read WS to find out what issues might need to be addressed before closing.
WS is a great resource for lawyers to gauge the mindset of a theoretical jury.
Thank-you. I somehow missed this detail. That's what I get for not hanging out on WS much anymore! Geez.
Is the jury privy to the fact that MS is charged in LB's murder? I'm assuming no. Of course he's innocent until proven guilty, and charges do not indicate guilt.
I wonder what evidence LE has on him in that case?
MS has admitted to being involved in death of TB. Like TM in VS case - I see both accused guilty - although I admit I do see MS in a lesser degree of pure evil than DM. But on the other hand - evil is evil and wrong is wrong.
So many people involved in covering up this crime. Wtf. Why didn't MS sister call LE? DM's mother involved in wiping prints? These people should be haunted the rest of their natural lives with their inaction.
Shame on them.
It's never too late to do the right thing.
Thank goodness for Schlatmans father. Good grief.
JMO
WG
I agree with you on many things....the number of people who knew what happened and did NOTHING is beyond my comprehension....
BBM - was actually his father in law (not that it really matters....) BUT he only called CrimeStoppers and WOULD NOT disclose the location of the truck. From what I understand it was the Lucas Bate phone which led LE to Igor, which led to the tattoo description, which led to DM. AJ only went to the police AFTER the police came to the hangar.....I understand he was scared for his family, but I'm not giving him a gold star for honesty. MOO
But, IMHO, it's not just good enough to say the guy is lying- a Juror has to make that call. MS did address the change of cloths- that was usually a precursor to a theft. To paraphrase his evidence, he said that you didn't want to wear the same thing during and after the theft. It was just something they did. Missions? Those were the thieving missions he assisted DM with- and lots of those didn't involve DM's other pals, IIRC, just MS and DM were involved. The fireworks and the fireside furniture is the most interesting. IMHO, TD didn't touch on these things for a reason- I'm thinking he's fully aware of what they relate to. Perhaps the fireside furniture was something that MS had scoped out for DM and maybe they always lit fireworks off after a successful mission or something. Whatever it is, the fact that TD didn't touch on it and left it open for the Crown and DM's D, gives me reason to think that there's a legit reason behind both of these things. TD doesn't seem to be the type of lawyer who would leave loose ends like that. Now, it's just another hurry up and wait until next Monday!! arghhh MOO
Twitter feed from all the media that has been tweeting.....Where did you get this information?