Bosma Murder Trial 05.25.16 - Day 55

[Sphinx]

Excellent research, and excellent shot, Billandrew. It is much appreciated, and makes it so much easier for me to picture how this could have been the murder spot. They really would have been out of sight behind those trees, and it is remote enough it is unlikely any of the neighbours would have heard the shot. Perhaps TB was shot as he was doing up his seatbelt after he quickly got out and let MS get out, then got back in. Another poster was right. With only one door on the passenger side, he would have had to quickly exit and get back in after letting MS out to go to the Yukon. He would have been a bit distracted at that moment. I think DM is a real coward, and he wanted to have his gun out, but hidden, and take advantage of TB at just the right time. This may have been more important to him than keeping the inside of the truck clean, and -----what if he wanted to take the blood evidence away with him in the truck, and not leave it in the field ??? ----- What if this was part of the plan all along, and not a fiasco resulting in a big clean up ??? Ms testified that DM liked leather seats, and no carpet on the floors of his vehicles. This way they did not have to risk being seen loading a bleeding body back into the truck, or getting blood on the outside of the truck; they had to drive on other roads of course to get to the incinerator. One bullet hole through a window that would shatter in place, and could be rolled down could be hidden too. Would they have placed a blanket from the Yukon over the slumped body in the front seat, and quickly driven off, as the neighbour described, the Yukon following the truck ? It is possible IMO. No glass or blood would be left in the field. It was a portable crime scene with the body. The body would be made to "disappear in the incinerator", and the evidence in the truck could be made to disappear as well. In their minds, a very clever way to dispose of the evidence, and still make a quick get away. I doubt that they found this lane and field so close to Tim's that evening. I think DM or MS found it earlier, and that they indeed would have scoped out the area well, once DM decided to steal from "the nice guy". Or did the location make him decide that TB would be the perfect victim ? I can see him going for a nice drive with CN, and finding just the right spot. Does anyone know what they were doing on the day or evening before, or even the morning or afternoon of the day TB was murdered ? Sorry, I do not have time now to check Bill's excellent timeline. IMO

When did police search this field ? I think perhaps they did not respond to the neigbour's phone call for a few days. If so, that is unfortunate, because tire tracks would probably have been washed away by rain, and also erased by other vehicles driving over them.

Dunno if it helps to get technical over U-turns and 3-point turns, but TB's truck would NOT be able to do an actual U-turn on Book Rd. I went to the exact area to check it out and I had to pull a rather strained 3-point turn in my little Jetta. It's a very narrow road with ditches and roughage on either side.

Also, the farmer's field driveway is only one lane wide. The Yukon and TB's pickup would not be able to drive in side by side. I.e. the Yukon would have had to be parked back a ways into the driveway/field in order for them to pull TB's truck in later. Here's a screenshot for reference:

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[sab_bri]

The only issue I have with this suggestion, is the field not close enough to the Bosma home that a gun shot would have been heard by SB or WDB?

The gun could have had a silencer?

 

[Sphinx]

Excellent research, and excellent shot, Billandrew. It is much appreciated, and makes it so much easier for me to picture how this could have been the murder spot. They really would have been out of sight behind those trees, and it is remote enough it is unlikely any of the neighbours would have heard the shot. Perhaps TB was shot as he was doing up his seatbelt after he quickly got out and let MS get out, then got back in. Another poster was right. With only one door on the passenger side, he would have had to quickly exit and get back in after letting MS out to go to the Yukon. He would have been a bit distracted at that moment. I think DM is a real coward, and he wanted to have his gun out, but hidden, and take advantage of TB at just the right time. This may have been more important to him than keeping the inside of the truck clean, and -----what if he wanted to take the blood evidence away with him in the truck, and not leave it in the field ??? ----- What if this was part of the plan all along, and not a fiasco resulting in a big clean up ??? Ms testified that DM liked leather seats, and no carpet on the floors of his vehicles. This way they did not have to risk being seen loading a bleeding body back into the truck, or getting blood on the outside of the truck; they had to drive on other roads of course to get to the incinerator. One bullet hole through a window that would shatter in place, and could be rolled down could be hidden too. Would they have placed a blanket from the Yukon over the slumped body in the front seat, and quickly driven off, as the neighbour described, the Yukon following the truck ? It is possible IMO. No glass or blood would be left in the field. It was a portable crime scene with the body. The body would be made to "disappear in the incinerator", and the evidence in the truck could be made to disappear as well. In their minds, a very clever way to dispose of the evidence, and still make a quick get away. I doubt that they found this lane and field so close to Tim's that evening. I think DM or MS found it earlier, and that they indeed would have scoped out the area well, once DM decided to steal from "the nice guy". Or did the location make him decide that TB would be the perfect victim ? I can see him going for a nice drive with CN, and finding just the right spot. Does anyone know what they were doing on the day or evening before, or even the morning or afternoon of the day TB was murdered ? Sorry, I do not have time now to check Bill's excellent timeline. IMO

When did police search this field ? I think perhaps they did not respond to the neigbour's phone call for a few days. If so, that is unfortunate, because tire tracks would probably have been washed away by rain, and also erased by other vehicles driving over them.

Sorry, I see that someone posted a picture of TB's truck with four doors. So TB probably did not exit the truck in the field to let MS out. The rest of my post could still be possible. IMO

 

[Inspector_North]

MS seems to be reluctant to discuss MWJ. I wonder why?

"Unfortunately for Ward-Jackson, despite the discharge from Justice Di Zio, he’s still in the new and newly notorious Toronto South super jail due to another set of charges he faces, allegedly selling guns to Dellen Millard."

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/matthew-ward-jackson

MOO

 

[ellie b]

Could MS have quickly changed his clothes in the field before getting into the Yukon ?

 

[Errrr]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 39s39 seconds ago
Now he's marking where he says Millard parked #TimBosma truck and told him to follow in Yukon. Slightly ahead of entrance to field.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 26s26 seconds ago
Now Fraser wants him to mark where the #Bosma truck pulled up. #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7s7 seconds ago
The Yukon was parked with lights out, and only Pedo the dog inside. "All Mr. #Bosma would have to do is look to his right..."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 39s39 seconds ago
there was nobody in the Yukon that night. Just Millard's dog. It was turned off, Fraser suggests. No lights. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 32s32 seconds ago
Crown says would have passed the Yukon before pulling over and stopping. Bosma would see Yukon with nobody in it? Smich: "I'm not sure."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 16s16 seconds ago
Smich says the Yukon is kind of tinted, it was dark out, and that they made a U-turn when he got out. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 42s42 seconds ago
"and he'd see the dark Yukon with nobody in it," Fraser says. Smich says windows were tinted. When he got out Millard did u-turn. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 30s31 seconds ago
Smich at a loss for words the says "they would have made a u-turn." #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 26s27 seconds ago
Fraser says again that "things aren't exactly happening in the way he (#Bosma) would've imagined."

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 18s19 seconds ago
Smich: "It was kind of dark out and the windows were tinted. And when I got out, they did a U-Turn."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 37s38 seconds ago
Imagine what #TimBosma was thinking, "he would know that something is really, really wrong." Smich lawyer objects. How can Smich know?

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 32s33 seconds ago
"Don't you think he would know something was really really wrong?" Fraser asks. Dungey objects-asking for speculation. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 19s20 seconds ago
Fraser asks if it's reasonable to assume that #TimBosma would have thought something was "really, really" wrong? Dungey objects.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 35s35 seconds ago
Fraser: "Don't you think he Bosma) would know something was really, really wrong?" Objection by Dungey, over ruled. Fraser: Did Bosma react?

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 42s42 seconds ago
Was there any reaction to this, driving past the Yukon, by Mr #Bosma. Did you see any physical reaction? No sir.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 37s37 seconds ago
Fraser asks again if Smich saw any physical reaction from #Bosma to these events. Smich says no.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 20s20 seconds ago
Fraser asks if heard #Bosma say anything, to suggest he knew something was wrong. Smich says no.

olin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 39s40 seconds ago
Judge says must be limited to #TimBosma's reaction. Smich says he got pretty much immediately and didn't see. #Bosma said nothing, he says.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 36s37 seconds ago
Smich: "I got out, pretty much immediately and went to the Yukon." Says he didn't hear Bosma say anything and he observed nothing.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 48s49 seconds ago
"I don't think I was in there long enough to make any observations," Smich says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 39s40 seconds ago
Did he hear anything from #TimBosma to suggest he knew something was wrong? "I don't think I was in there long enough to make observations"

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 45s45 seconds ago
"I wasn't in there long enough to make observations," Smich says. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 48s48 seconds ago
Fraser says again, the Yukons lights were off, the engine was off. But the keys, Fraser suggests, were in the cup holder. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 29s29 seconds ago
Somehow, the keys to the Yukon, are where? "In the cupholder area of the vehicle," Smich says.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 23s23 seconds ago
Crown: "Somehow, somehow Mr. Smich, the keys to that Yukon were where?" Smich: "They were in the cup holder." Crown: How would you know?

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 34s34 seconds ago
Fraser suggests If Smich had no conversation with Millard, he'd have no way of knowing the keys would be there. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 19s19 seconds ago
There was no conversation about that, says Smich. "It was a common thing that he did. The windows would have been open. His dog was in car."

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12s12 seconds ago
Smich says "this was a common thing that he did." Windows open because dog was in car. Crown: "You just got lucky that night?"

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 40s40 seconds ago
Smich says Millard regularly did that. "So you just got lucky that night those keys happened to be in there?" Fraser asks. #Bosma

No tinting when windows are rolled down! Guaranteed!

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

From Bullman's testimony, we know they searched the field with a K-9 unit. Here are the reporters' tweets from Feb 9th:

Molly Hayes:

Court has resumed. Next witness up: Rick Bullmann.
Bullmann lives right near the Bosmas' home in Ancaster. His dad too lives nearby.
Bullmann takes his dog for a walk on his property every night around 9/9:15. No different on May 6, 2013.
He saw 2 cars pull out of his dad's place. A dark pickup and another right behind it he couldn't quite see.
Both headed west on Book Rd, crossing Trinity Rd, toward Brantford. The 2 together seemed odd. He could see for less than a km.
Next day someone came to his house w a #TimBosma missing poster. He called police about what he had seen.
Quite a few' police w dogs came to comb his dad's field.
Court is looking at photos of Bullmanns property in proximity to the home down the road.
RB says 2nd vehicle was something in between a car and a truck.
Crown (Tony Leitch) is done. Nadir Sachak now cross-examining.
Sachak asking if his first impression was that the vehicles were horsing around (on dads property). RB: no. Assumed at first dumping garbage
Sachak quotes statement he gave to police back at the time, in which he says he figured it was someone horsing around.
Sachak says not an important point but just wants to display that memory fades over time.
Sachak asks about K-9 unit search, whether it was a careful detailed search. Not a quick one. RB agrees. No Qs from Dungey.


Susan Clairmont:

Next witness is Rick Bullman. He lives near the house. Seems very nervous. His voice is shaking.
He puts kids to bed at 8:30 pm then walks his dog. May 6, 2013 saw dark pickup pull out of his father's field, another vehicle behind it.
Saw vehicles drive off down Book Road.
Sometimes people dump garbage in that field. But he thought it was odd there were two vehicles together.
Next day someone came to his house with a Tim missing person flyer. He called the number on the flyer to report the two vehicles.
Court is seeing photos of field, roads.
Bullman says media reports that second vehicle was SUV seemed accurate to him.
Vehicles were travelling toward Brantford. He did not see who was inside.
He gave an audio statement to police on June 25, 2013.
He watched police and a K-9 unit searching field.


Adam Carter:

The next witness is Rick Bullman. He lives near the Bosma's house.
Bullman says he didn't know the Bosmas and hadn't talked to them.
Bullman says on May 6 he saw two vehicles pull out of his father's driveway going down towards Brantford.
Bullman did speak with police after #TimBosma vanished, and police dogs combed the area of his dad's property, he says.
Court now seeing the field in question, grass, hay bales and mud tracks from trucks.
Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak now cross examining.
Sachak asks if people in the vehicle were "horsing around." Bullman says no.
Sachak asks if Bullman was telling the truth when he gave statements to police on June 20 and June 25. He says yes.
In his statement to police, Bullman did say someone might have been "horsing around."
Sachak now done cross examination. Dungey has no questions. Bullman is excused.


Next up was a police officer involved in DM's arrest. I couldn't find any other references to K-9 or police dogs.

BBM This post reminded me of something that has been bothering me from very early on. I didn't get the impression that Bullman was wishy washy with his testimony but the bolded statement about watching them travel WEST on Book Road CROSSING Trinity towards Brantford is a real concern for me. Had they traveled that way they would not have passed Super Sucker (on the map just past Claybar.) To go past SS they would have had to turn right onto Trinity from Book. But RB did say he watched them drive west across Trinity for less than a km before they were out of sight....Had they turned right onto Trinity they would have been out of sight almost instantly since the road curves to the right pretty much immediately after the intersection with Book and it would have been blocked by a bunch of trees.

I'm thinking they did indeed go west on Book Rd and drove for a while before realizing they missed their turn onto Trinity which was their way back to the highway. Under this scenario, how long would they have driven before realizing they needed to turn around to get back to their known route to the highway? Does that missed turn fill in some of the missing time we have been trying to figure out? MOO

https://www.google.com/maps/place/T...47d1436d51d8bd!8m2!3d43.1739366!4d-80.0357701

 

[Kamille]

Was there any evidence found at all in the field - glass, blood drops, footprints, fibers, etc?

How about a bullet? At least one bullet supposedly traveled through the passenger window according to MS. Not sure if I believe only one was fired though. I would imagine the bullet the killed TB was left lodged in his body. I don't think it's possible for a .380 bullet to travel through two sides of the skull and a window. It is not that high powered of a gun IMO.

I'm not sold on the idea that TB was actually shot in that field. Driven back there, deceased, after being shot somewhere else, to pick up the Yukon and get the heck out of the area? I do believe that is possible. And if he was shot by DM while both were in the front seat, I can't see how that would have gotten much if any blood spatter or GSR into the back seat behind the high front passenger seat where MS was likely sitting. Certainly not enough to transfer into the Yukon and still be detectable 4 days later after the Yukon had been used repeatedly by DM to travel back and forth to Waterloo during that 4 day time frame.

MOO

ETA: No one has come forward to say they were driving north and then south on Trinity Rd that night between the time frame of 9:05pm to 9:15pm in a truck that was just like the missing truck. I wouldn't imagine there was anyone who was in that vicinity, especially if they lived in the area, who wasn't aware of what happened to TB because he was selling a truck just like the one they were driving on the same road the night he was kidnapped and murdered. That makes it pretty hard to believe that the timestamp on the video wasn't off by more than an even 3 hours and that it wasn't TB's truck passing by the camera 3 times that night, the last time with the Yukon following it.

 

[meterclicks]

The only issue I have with this suggestion, is the field not close enough to the Bosma home that a gun shot would have been heard by SB or WDB?

I question this too. I've never fired a Walther, let alone any gun while inside a vehicle. So I can't speak from any experience there lol. I have no idea how loud it would be inside the truck with the windows up, add in both SB & WDB watching tv - who knows? Just another question to add to the list of those we'll never know the answer to.

 

[brightii]

Agreed, IIRC the only thing they have mentioned finding was a lighter.

I'm of the camp that thinks if MS was in fact in the Ram when TB was shot, there would have been, in the least, a trace of GSR or blood in the Yukon.

Perhaps I shouldn't weigh in on GSR because I'm not well versed on the subject, but IIRC Abro suggested that since there was only a few spots of blood in the back seat of TB's truck and the GSR was mainly found in the front of the Ram that the backseat passenger MS would not necessarily have had much blood or GSR on their person, or perhaps a very minimal amount that would not likely be transferred to the Yukon.

I attach this Wikipedia page link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunshot_residue In it, it's explained about how GSR is tested on a person's clothing or hands but LE had no opportunity to test either suspect's hand right after the crime or later, their clothing - only DM's satchel was tested I believe and that had been washed. The suspects got rid of the clothing they wore at the scene of the crime, IMO.

"Law enforcement investigators test the clothing and skin of people for GSR to determine if they were near a gun when it discharged. Gunshot residue can travel over 3–5 feet (0.9–1.5 meters) from the gun. At the farthest distance, only a few trace particles may be present."

It goes on to say: "A negative result can mean that the person was nowhere near the gun when it was fired, or that they were near it but not close enough for GSR to land on them, or it can mean that the GSR deposited on them wore off. GSR is the consistency of flour and typically only stays on the hands of a living person for 4–6 hours. Wiping the hands on anything, even putting them in and out of pockets can transfer GSR off the hands. Victims don't always get GSR on them; even suicide victims can test negative for GSR."

I think it very possible that a MS wiped his hands on something before entering the Yukon and may have transferred only a minute amount of GSR if any into the Yukon.Several days later when the DM and the Yukon was in LE custody and the vehicle tested (assuming it was tested?) then perhaps there was no detectable trace evidence of GSR in the Yukon at that time.

Apologies in advance if I misinterpreted Abro's previous explanation or if I'm misinterpreting what I'm reading here about GSR. HTH.

All MOO.

 

[ellie b]

Just speculating here.....

The 2 earlier sightings of a Ram going North and South past super suckers are TB's vehicle. (They are going on a quick test drive). They are heading back as if to return to TB's house, but instead veer off to the field, where they shoot TB (in the vehicle). MS jumps out, quickly gets changed and follows DM in the Ram. They want to get out of the area quickly so they wait until they get to the Bobcat place to change plates and possibly move body........MOO IMO

TB may have been shot before they got to the field, en route as it were ?

 

[meterclicks]

Court now resuming. Jury being recalled.
by Adam Carter 2:14 PM


Is someone available to take over Adam's feed?
http://live.cbc.ca/Event/The_Tim_Bosma_trial_May_25

 

[canadiangirl]

usan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 46s47 seconds ago
Crown says Millard told Smich if he gets arrested, Smich needs to get drugs and toolbox out of house.

I'm wayyyy behind right now but the toolbox wasn't at Maplegate

 

[cansleuther]

Does anyone have any links to the tweets or articles that reference the Yukon testing negative for GSR and blood? There are plenty of tweets referencing the contents of the Yukon, as well as the photographs, but nothing seems to mention the actual forensic testing.

 

[canadiangirl]

I think TD always knew MS had nothing to lose. I think he was always going to get first-degree even if he didn't testify IMO.

I respectfully disagree, at the beginning MS testimony raised doubt in people's mind until the crown got a hold of him.

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 55s55 seconds ago
Fraser now resuming his cross-examination of Mark Smich. #TimBosma #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
#Bosma jury is back. Craig Fraser continues his cross of Smich, asking about discussions with Millard roomie Andrew Michalski

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
We are back.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
We are back in court. Crown Fraser is asking about Smich's conversations with Michalski on May 10. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Fraser asks Smich about his conversations with Michalski about the toolbox. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Fraser says Andrew Michalski testified that the toolbox and the drugs were a matter of "keen interest" when he talked to Smich. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Michalski told court Smich was keenly interested in the "thing" Hagerman was given by Millard at 4am Friday May 10. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Smich agrees they had a few conversations. Fraser is showing him the call log between them the night of May 10. #bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 56s57 seconds ago
Smich and Michalski chatted several times that night. Seeing call log on screens. Log of Marlena Meneses call Smich used.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Smich calls him at 9:20 pm. Call lasts 44 seconds. Smich can't say if they spoke or if he left a voicemail. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 56s56 seconds ago
Report from Marlena Meneses' phone shows several calls with Michalski on May 10, starting 9:20 pm. "I remember bits and pieces," Smich says

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 55s56 seconds ago
Michalski then calls him at 10:14pm. Call lasts 3 mins. Then Smich calls Michalski at 10:49pm. 2 mins 30 secs. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 54s55 seconds ago
Two calls from Meneses phone to Michalski phone. One call from Michalski to Meneses.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 33s34 seconds ago
Michalski testified that Smich told him to get the drugs out of the house, Fraser recalls. #Bosma

 

[canadiangirl]

He knew he'd be found guilty so he took a shot. Beating this was a longshot, and its probably a longshot to beat the WM charges and the LB charges. Believe me, these guys are well aware that they will likely never be free again, so why not have a little fun in court?

I don't think stammering on the stand is anyone's idea of fun! lol

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 44s45 seconds ago
Michalski told court Smich wanted two things; get drugs out of the house, which he was able to do, and then tell Smich about it

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 44s45 seconds ago
Michalski said there were two things Smich wanted, Fraser says. One was getting drugs out of Millard's house. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 38s38 seconds ago
Michalski did get the drugs (roughly 2 lbs of weed) in a blue under armour bag, which made its way to Smich the next day. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 28s28 seconds ago
Michalski testified first call was Smich calling him about getting drugs out of Dell's house.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 26s26 seconds ago
Michalski put two pounds of weed in an under armour bag and took it to Smich. Smich says he told Michalski to get the drugs, police coming

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 53s53 seconds ago
Smich says first convo would've been him telling him to do that. Second would've been Michalski calling to say he did it. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 35s36 seconds ago
Michalski was panicked, Smich says. There was no conversation about Hagerman and what he had, Smich says. Fraser doesn't believe him.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 33s34 seconds ago
And then third would've been the coordination of getting them to him. "There was no conversation about Matt Hagerman or anything like that."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18s19 seconds ago
Fraser disputes that. He says Michalski testified Smich was in panic mode. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 37s37 seconds ago
"He does exactly what you ask him to do," Fraser says. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 29s29 seconds ago
Smich agrees 1st call telling Michalski Dell was arrested, needed to get drugs out. 2nd call was Michalski in panic, saying he got drugs.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 25s25 seconds ago
"He basically does exactly what you ask," Fraser says. Michalski said Smich was panicking. He put drugs in his car after Smich call

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 46s47 seconds ago
"The next conversation would've been him saying he did do that. He would've been in a panic at that point." Smich says. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 44s45 seconds ago
Smich says he doesn't do exactly what he asked him to do. He says he didn't ask him to contact Matt Hagerman. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 44s45 seconds ago
Smich says he doesn't do exactly what he asked him to do. He says he didn't ask him to contact Matt Hagerman. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 34s35 seconds ago View translation
Fraser quotes Michalski's testimony. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
"He doesn't do exactly what I asked," Smich says. He didn't ask him to get anything from Hagerman, he says.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 58s58 seconds ago
Smich says Michalski doesn't do "exactly as I asked him to do. He contacted Matt Hagerman, which I didn't ask him to do." #bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 32s32 seconds ago
Michalski said he had multiple convos with Smich that night, and that Smich also told him he wanted him to meet up with Matt Hagerman.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 38s38 seconds ago
"He wanted whatever I had, and whatever Hagerman had, brought to him the next day," Michalski said. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 38s39 seconds ago
Michalski testified Smich asked him to bring whatever he had and whatever Hagerman to him the next day.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 38s39 seconds ago
Fraser reading from Michalski testimony now. Said Smich wanted whatever he had, and whatever Hagerman had. Michalski was sure.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 28s29 seconds ago
Smich says there was no talk of hagerman and what he had. Fraser disagrees. Shows him testimony from michalski about two items MS wanted.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 36s37 seconds ago
Michalski said it was "probably later" that Smich mentioned Hagerman. #Bosma

 

[cckp72]

I don't think stammering on the stand is anyone's idea of fun! lol

I am sure they will have alot of 'fun' in prison! Especially the rat! LOL!

 

[Kamille]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 32s32 seconds ago
Do you recall that you reached out to Hagerman after getting this information from Mr Smich? Michalski was asked, and said yes.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 31s31 seconds ago
Hagerman said he texted Hagerman, "call me asap" right after he talked with Smich. #TimBosma #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 25s26 seconds ago
"Call me ASAP" Michalski msgs Hagerman, right after he gets call from Smich, according to phone records.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 22s23 seconds ago
Michalski texted Hagerman right after they spoke to call him "ASAP." #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 21s22 seconds ago
Fraser now showing those texts from Michalski to Hagerman. The time is 10:53 p.m. "Coincidence or plan, Mr. Smich?" Fraser asks again #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews now
"Is that a coincidence or part of the plan?" Fraser asks. Smich says it was Millard's plan.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 9s10 seconds ago
Michalski testified that Millard had told him he'd stolen the truck, and he didn't see him again after that.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5s6 seconds ago
Michalski testified he hadn't seen Millard since Tuesday, when Millard told him he stole trucks. Smich told him to get drugs out of house.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 4s5 seconds ago
Michalski testified he had many conversations w smich. He wanted drugs and what hagerman had. Smich disagrees. @AM900CHML

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6s7 seconds ago
"You wanted the drugs and murder weapon because that's the conversation you had with Millard minutes before he was arrested on Cawthra."