Bosma Murder Trial 05.25.16 - Day 55

[canadiangirl]

I'd like to see DM's reaction to this .. Hopefully someone in the courtroom will comment

 

[brightii]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Smich is sputtering. "Like I told you, the vehicle did a u-turn and I followed it out."

IMO, MS is being rattled for the first time on the stand.

Being confronted with the truth has the effect on liars IMO. The Crown's theory of when and where TB was murdered makes the most sense. No need to drive around with the intended victim on a lengthy test drive all over the countryside at night. The accused killed TB as quickly as possible and as planned and then beat it out of the area as fast as they could. I'm only too thrilled to have my theory destroyed about TB having been killed at the Bobcat location. Fraser is convincing and I think we just heard this morning the actual truth of what happened to TB and when. No lingering doubt in my mind.

All MOO.

 

[canadiangirl]

Because the Crown is suggesting they both pulled into the laneway and shot TB then. And then both left together, MS knowing and participating in the death.

And a 3 point turn or "u turn" would indicate 2 vehicles pulling out of a laneway IMO

 

[mimimic]

To add to this...MS' story is that he was let out of the truck on Book Road and then DM made a U-turn in Tim's truck while he (MS) went into the field and got into the Yukon. He then pulled out of the field and followed in behind DM driving Tim's truck. This story is put into question when compared to the neighbor's who saw BOTH vehicles pull out of the field. MOO

likely if that is where it happened the Yukon would have been parked a lot farther into the field than right by the chain and the road. No wonder MS did not want to admit they were parked farther back.

 

[Kamille]

Being confronted with the truth has the effect on liars IMO. The Crown's theory of when and where TB was murdered makes the most sense. No need to drive around with the intended victim on a lengthy test drive all over the countryside at night. The accused killed TB as quickly as possible and as planned and then beat it out of the area as fast as they could. I'm only too thrilled to have my theory destroyed about TB having been killed at the Bobcat location. Fraser is convincing and I think we just heard this morning the actual truth of what happened to TB and when. No lingering doubt in my mind.

All MOO.

Interesting that the Crown is still disregarding the "other" truck that looks very much like TB's truck going north and then south on Trinity. Is it possible there is a little truth in what MS has said about saying the "friend" got lost looking for Tim Hortons so part of the plan was to tell TB this and then go back towards the field looking for the "lost friend'? Or was TB shot somewhere north of SuperSucker (not on the highway likely) and then they drove back to the field to grab the Yukon?

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[Mscree]

Being confronted with the truth has the effect on liars IMO. The Crown's theory of when and where TB was murdered makes the most sense. No need to drive around with the intended victim on a lengthy test drive all over the countryside at night. The accused killed TB as quickly as possible and as planned and then beat it out of the area as fast as they could. I'm only too thrilled to have my theory destroyed about TB having been killed at the Bobcat location. Fraser is convincing and I think we just heard this morning the actual truth of what happened to TB and when. No lingering doubt in my mind.

All MOO.

It does make more sense that shooting someone while driving. Maybe mr Bullman didn't hear it because he was in his home at the time?

 

[canadiangirl]

likely if that is where it happened the Yukon would have been parked a lot farther into the field than right by the chain and the road. No wonder MS did not want to admit they were parked farther back.

Parked further back and dropped the lighter perhaps? I could see that angle but I'm still struggling with how there was ZERO transfer of any evidence from MS in the Yukon if he drove it after a "bloody mess" occurred.
These guys left a trail behind, so for me to suggest that all physical MS evidence was cleaned perfectly just boggles my mind.

 

[mimimic]

likely if that is where it happened the Yukon would have been parked a lot farther into the field than right by the chain and the road. No wonder MS did not want to admit they were parked farther back.

The U-turn MS is talking about would have been on the road, not in the field.

 

[cckp72]

Parked further back and dropped the lighter perhaps? I could see that angle but I'm still struggling with how there was ZERO transfer of any evidence from MS in the Yukon if he drove it after a "bloody mess" occurred.
These guys left a trail behind, so for me to suggest that all physical MS evidence was cleaned perfectly just boggles my mind.

I still think that DM pulled the trigger in the RAM - maybe MS was standing guard outside of the truck. Then he went into the Yukon and they both drove off. It doesn't even matter if DM pulled the trigger - the crown has presented a pretty solid case imo, that this was premeditated and they both deserve Murder 1.

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

Interesting that the Crown is still disregarding the "other" truck that looks very much like TB's truck going north and then south on Trinity. Is it possible there is a little truth in what MS has said about saying the "friend" got lost looking for Tim Hortons so part of the plan was to tell TB this and then go back towards the field looking for the "lost friend'? Or was TB shot somewhere north of SuperSucker (not on the highway likely) and then they drove back to the field to grab the Yukon?

:waitasec:

MOO

I'm with you on this....I truly believe that they went north on Trinity past Super Sucker as if going on an actual test-drive, went south on Trinity to go to the field to retrieve the Yukon before heading north again on Trinity with the two vehicles back to back. This route fills in some of the missing time as well. The question that we will likely never know is whether Tim was killed with the three of them in the truck while on the test drive or if it was done in the field. My hunch is that it was done in the truck while driving but I am still struggling with the lack of blood transfer into the Yukon. MOO

 

[littlesauce]

Parked further back and dropped the lighter perhaps? I could see that angle but I'm still struggling with how there was ZERO transfer of any evidence from MS in the Yukon if he drove it after a "bloody mess" occurred.
These guys left a trail behind, so for me to suggest that all physical MS evidence was cleaned perfectly just boggles my mind.

I struggle with this too! If MS was in the truck when TB was shot, why was no GSR or blood found in the Yukon? There's no way TB was shot with MS in the backseat and no blood or GSR would have landed on him and then transferred to the Yukon... MOO

 

[Oreck]

What about the two identical photos of the Bosma truck going past SS?

 

[cckp72]

Was there any evidence found at all in the field - glass, blood drops, footprints, fibers, etc?

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

Was there any evidence found at all in the field - glass, blood drops, footprints, fibers, etc?

Nothing that was presented as part of the Crown's case which would tell us that they didn't find anything. I'm thinking he wasn't killed in the field at the corner of Trinity and Book. MOO

 

[cckp72]

What about the two identical photos of the Bosma truck going past SS?

I don't believe it was proven that it was Bosma's truck for certain - it was a truck with similar characteristics. I live in the area and this weekend alone, I counted 6 RAM 3500 with silver running boards (not sure of the other features) so it isn't outside the realm of possibility that the second one wasn't Bosma's truck.

 

[ILoveDateline]

Whoa, this is the first I've heard of these texts to engage MM in the clean up. That is messed up.

 

[meterclicks]

Court now resuming.
by Adam Carter 11:59 AM

 

[canadiangirl]

Whoa, this is the first I've heard of these texts to engage MM in the clean up. That is messed up.

What texts?

ETA I see it now on the twitter feed!

 

[brightii]

Interesting that the Crown is still disregarding the "other" truck that looks very much like TB's truck going north and then south on Trinity. Is it possible there is a little truth in what MS has said about saying the "friend" got lost looking for Tim Hortons so part of the plan was to tell TB this and then go back towards the field looking for the "lost friend'? Or was TB shot somewhere north of SuperSucker (not on the highway likely) and then they drove back to the field to grab the Yukon?

:waitasec:

MOO

I don't know about the other truck but it just rings so loudly as truth to me now what Fraser is suggesting. If the murder was planned which I believe it was, both accused would have no reason to humour TB with a test drive, as they'd want to escape the area ASAP and get on with the incineration of TB and the vehicle clean-up. Perhaps DM and MS didn't realize or account for how much blood would be in the vehicle or could have been planning to strip it of its interior anyway so didn't care.

I believe and have for some time now that both accused are guilty, but this morning Fraser's cross was a beautiful thing to behold. You know that moment when you hear the truth and you just know it? That's how I feel about what Fraser did today.

All MOO.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Well, I have to say, the Crown is helping me down off the fence. Somewhat. The u-turn v. Bullman's testimony is hard to explain away. Sure, Bullman could have noticed Tim's truck at the exact moment it was passing his dad's laneway and then saw the Yukon pull out right behind it, giving him the impression both vehicles had just exited the field, but that seems to be a stretch.