Breaking news in the LISK case

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

He was a construction contractor.
Didn't someone here speculate that LISK was in construction?
I'm just now reading about this guy so I don't know much else right now except. He enjoyed what he did,wasn't going to stop and had murder/disposal kits all over the country including NY. He confessed to eight and alluded to more.
We won't ever probably know about the others because he killed himself.


http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1755419?articlePage=4

Isreal Keyes is NOT LISK.

LISK kept the bodies somewhere. In a shed maybe.
LISK dated a few of the girls a couple of times to seduce them and trick them that he was a nice guy. and then pow pow pow

Isreal Keyes was NOT LISK.

that being said - he was a really bad man and may he meet his justice forever immediately in the afterlife.
on his way to having a chat with st. peter. may he meet his maker and have some splainin' to do.
but believe me - he was NOT LISK.

things are going to change really soon for Mr. LISK.
seriously -

 

[Justiceforever]

Isreal Keyes is NOT LISK.

LISK kept the bodies somewhere. In a shed maybe.
LISK dated a few of the girls a couple of times to seduce them and trick them that he was a nice guy. and then pow pow pow

Isreal Keyes was NOT LISK.

that being said - he was a really bad man and may he meet his justice forever immediately in the afterlife.
on his way to having a chat with st. peter. may he meet his maker and have some splainin' to do.
but believe me - he was NOT LISK.

things are going to change really soon for Mr. LISK.
seriously -

Yeah...I realised that. See post 120
At least that freak can't hurt anyone else!

 

[Justiceforever]

Thanks for copying my post into yours, justice - the mods had deleted mine (funnel cake is controversial, so I should have known better).

Ahh! Haa! Funnel Cake IS a very touchy subject! :floorlaugh:

I wish I hadn't...

I JUST got that song outta my head! :banghead:

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

"Starting in 2001, after his discharge from the Army, where he was based in Washington... committing his first homicide that year. He moved to Alaska from Washington in 2007."

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/12/0...half-told-tale-of-his-crimes-with-suicide.xml

Doesn't look like he's MV or LISK.

HOW MANY SKs ARE OUT THERE?

yes, got it.
absolutely

 

[Justiceforever]

I mean does Valle have a mental illness? Can you be a normal person and plot to do kidnap, rape, murder, and eat another human being??? WTF

Yeah that guys a nut job. A really scary one! I don't think insane in the legal sense though.

Here's the latest I've read on him.

http://m.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/beauty_is_the_feast_D9Hs1MrolUheml9L6tUVOL

 

[CriminalMinds]

Here is yet another possible candidate for being responsible for at least one or more of the dismembered remains found along Ocean Parkway and/or Manorville;

Israel Keyes



He Strangled!

He dismembered!

He found a way to SPEED UP decomposition (I read how some of the GB4 skeletons looked like they decomposed much quicker than they should have)!

He was in the NorthEast/New York area at the right time!

Oh My!!!!

devious sk-good that he is dead---but not LISK

 

[CriminalMinds]

"Starting in 2001, after his discharge from the Army, where he was based in Washington... committing his first homicide that year. He moved to Alaska from Washington in 2007."

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/12/0...half-told-tale-of-his-crimes-with-suicide.xml

Doesn't look like he's MV or LISK.

HOW MANY SKs ARE OUT THERE?

rough guess, at LEAST 150 ACTIVE right now

 

[Justiceforever]

rough guess, at LEAST 150 ACTIVE right now

Shut the front door! I thought I read @50 at any given and I REALLY had a hard time wrapping my head around THAT! Are they just catching more these days and that's why it seems like so many? Imagine all the ones who don't get caught. There really needs to be more done in this area More people speciallizing in catching these freaks. More public awareness! SOMETHING!

 

[Peter Brendt]

Shut the front door! I thought I read @50 at any given and I REALLY had a hard time wrapping my head around THAT! Are they just catching more these days and that's why it seems like so many? Imagine all the ones who don't get caught. There really needs to be more done in this area More people speciallizing in catching these freaks. More public awareness! SOMETHING!

The number depends also on how you interpret the definition, I think. Counts the mugger, who leaves behind a trail of bodies? Does the nice doctor who kills elderly patients to inherit from them count? Most American approaches to the subject in the last three decades, if not earlier, focused on SKs with a sexual aspect in their killings. Most European approaches focused on putting SKs in a certain set of drawers, leaving out other types entirely. Amd what abut terrorists? Are they SKs as well, if they repeat to murder (or try to)? Look at Kaczynski for example, or Loughner or what was the name in Ohio?
The truth is, as long as we have only a blurred definition what an SK is and everybody re-interprets that definition for political correctness, we have no idea about the number out there.

 

[Redbird]

The number depends also on how you interpret the definition, I think. Counts the mugger, who leaves behind a trail of bodies? Does the nice doctor who kills elderly patients to inherit from them count? Most American approaches to the subject in the last three decades, if not earlier, focused on SKs with a sexual aspect in their killings. Most European approaches focused on putting SKs in a certain set of drawers, leaving out other types entirely. Amd what abut terrorists? Are they SKs as well, if they repeat to murder (or try to)? Look at Kaczynski for example, or Loughner or what was the name in Ohio?
The truth is, as long as we have only a blurred definition what an SK is and everybody re-interprets that definition for political correctness, we have no idea about the number out there.

I think the FBI is capable of giving us a clear definition of what constitutes a serial killer and capable of producing as meaningful statistics as anybody can. They state there are 20 to 50 serial killers operating in the US at any given time. I'll go with the FBI until I hear of an institution more impressive. (Statistics may have changed slightly since I read this article, but it good enough for government work for me.)

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder/serial-murder-1

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2010/nov/27/most-serial-killing-victims-are-women-fbi/

http://crimecasefiles.com/forum/crime-records-and-statistics/464-serial-killer-statistics.html
The USA has 76% of the worlds serial killers.
This provides for a great deal of information to study on the subject and a great number of Americans doing the research.

http://www.scrippsnews.com/projects/serial-killers

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/april/highwayserial_040609

http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/serial-killer.htm

http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial Killer Information Center/Project Description.htm

http://www.bestinfographics.info/serial-killer-stats/

 

[CriminalMinds]

Shut the front door! I thought I read @50 at any given and I REALLY had a hard time wrapping my head around THAT! Are they just catching more these days and that's why it seems like so many? Imagine all the ones who don't get caught. There really needs to be more done in this area More people speciallizing in catching these freaks. More public awareness! SOMETHING!

crazy, right?!--they use the #50 because it's an average of 1 per state(and not to totally scare the crap out of you).--I would say, IMVHO, there probably isn't a state WITHOUT 1(especially since some sks cross borders via big rigs or just travel), it's just that states haven't tied bodies together, classify differently, or have not detected the sk--just think if every state averages 1, how about large states like CA,TX,FL that probably have a handfull, or ones like NC, TN, GA that have histories of sks


http://www.redding.com/databases/serial-killer-by-name-and-state/

 

[Peter Brendt]

I think the FBI is capable of giving us a clear definition of what constitutes a serial killer ...

I think, since the FBI changed their own definition about a dozen time in the last 20 years, they are not ...

 

[Peter Brendt]

crazy, right?!--they use the #50 because it's an average of 1 per state(and not to totally scare the crap out of you).--I would say, IMVHO, there probably isn't a state WITHOUT 1(especially since some sks cross borders via big rigs or just travel), it's just that states haven't tied bodies together, classify differently, or have not detected the sk--just think if every state averages 1, how about large states like CA,TX,FL that probably have a handfull, or ones like NC, TN, GA that have histories of sks

I suspect, you are right with the 1 per state idea. But unfortunately, that is mathematical nonsense because the first parameter going into the equation is population. I bet, that NYC has more SKs per square mile than northern Alaska. Which means in the mathematical consequence, areas with less square miles but more people (for example urban centers, like NYC, SF, SD, Boston, Detroit and so on have more SKs). And since the population size is different from state so is the number of SKs. Add to that cultural and subcultural influences and you know, where this statistics goes.

 

[Redbird]

Am I missing something. I don't know where or how you get the idea there is one serial killer per state. 50 states equals 50 serial killers? Nevermind...

 

[CriminalMinds]

I suspect, you are right with the 1 per state idea. But unfortunately, that is mathematical nonsense because the first parameter going into the equation is population. I bet, that NYC has more SKs per square mile than northern Alaska. Which means in the mathematical consequence, areas with less square miles but more people (for example urban centers, like NYC, SF, SD, Boston, Detroit and so on have more SKs). And since the population size is different from state so is the number of SKs. Add to that cultural and subcultural influences and you know, where this statistics goes.

yes--that's why I believe 150 is more accurate--just my tiny opinion--I would bet 50 is more accurate for just long-haul trucker killers alone as a group than overall sk's


I know of a few individuals that tried and tried to convince the FBI and state law enforcement agencies about the trend of long haul truckers as sks during the 90's--To no avail--Several years later, they finally acknowledged the phenomenon(of course, that's because the had no choice but to do so)--sort of like closing the proverbial barn door after the horses got out

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/april/highwayserial_040609
and the above is a few years old already, so that # of victims has certainly risen, and probably,so did the # of sks associated

 

[Peter Brendt]

Am I missing something. I don't know where or how you get the idea there is one serial killer per state. 50 states equals 50 serial killers? Nevermind...

I referenced to CriminalMind's suspicion where that estimation may comes from

 

[Peter Brendt]

yes--that's why I believe 150 is more accurate--just my tiny opinion--I would bet 50 is more accurate for just long-haul trucker killers alone as a group than overall sk's


I know of a few individuals that tried and tried to convince the FBI and state law enforcement agencies about the trend of long haul truckers as sks during the 90's--To no avail--Several years later, they finally acknowledged the phenomenon(of course, that's because the had no choice but to do so)--sort of like closing the proverbial barn door after the horses got out

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/april/highwayserial_040609
and the above is a few years old already, so that # of victims has certainly risen, and probably,so did the # of sks associated

Long haul trucking is a lonesome job. No other people to talk to, no other people who ask questions, a lot of uncontrolled time. Kind of a psychopaths dream job, isn't it?

 

[CriminalMinds]

Long haul trucking is a lonesome job. No other people to talk to, no other people who ask questions, a lot of uncontrolled time. Kind of a psychopaths dream job, isn't it?

indeed--on another side note, now where the heck is the "crockpot" thread?

 

[Aleph]

He enjoyed what he did,wasn't going to stop and had murder/disposal kits all over the country

What would be the point of hiding murder/disposal kits all over the country? I don't understand his logic, if he had any.

 

[CriminalMinds]

What would be the point of hiding murder/disposal kits all over the country? I don't understand his logic, if he had any.

so he would be ready to go at it again when he returned to the area, especially if he was partial to particular types of tools