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Buzz Mills
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Ramsey suspect to be flown to U.S.
BANGKOK, Thailand - The American suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey killing was to fly to the United States on Sunday to face charges of murder, kidnapping and sexual assault of a child, a police official said Saturday.
"The tickets for John Mark Karr's departure are ready," Thailand's immigration police chief, Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, told reporters. "He is leaving for the United States on Sunday evening."
Suwat did not say where or when Karr's flight from Bangkok would land or the number of U.S. officials who would accompany him. U.S. authorities have said he will be taken to Boulder, Colo., where he will face charges in connection with JonBenet's death.
A U.S. Embassy official, speaking on condition of anonymity, could not confirm Karr's departure date, saying that authorities were working through legal paperwork to expedite his deportation.
Karr, 41, remained under detention in Bangkok on Saturday, three days after his stunning claim that he was with the 6-year-old beauty pageant princess when she was killed in her family's home.
He told reporters he was alone with JonBenet when she died in the basement of her home on Dec. 26, 1996, but that her death was an accident.
"I am so very sorry for what happened to JonBenet," Karr told The Associated Press on Thursday. "It's very important for me that everyone knows that I love her very much, that her death was unintentional, that it was an accident."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060819/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramsey
BANGKOK, Thailand - The American suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey killing was to fly to the United States on Sunday to face charges of murder, kidnapping and sexual assault of a child, a police official said Saturday.
"The tickets for John Mark Karr's departure are ready," Thailand's immigration police chief, Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, told reporters. "He is leaving for the United States on Sunday evening."
Suwat did not say where or when Karr's flight from Bangkok would land or the number of U.S. officials who would accompany him. U.S. authorities have said he will be taken to Boulder, Colo., where he will face charges in connection with JonBenet's death.
A U.S. Embassy official, speaking on condition of anonymity, could not confirm Karr's departure date, saying that authorities were working through legal paperwork to expedite his deportation.
Karr, 41, remained under detention in Bangkok on Saturday, three days after his stunning claim that he was with the 6-year-old beauty pageant princess when she was killed in her family's home.
He told reporters he was alone with JonBenet when she died in the basement of her home on Dec. 26, 1996, but that her death was an accident.
"I am so very sorry for what happened to JonBenet," Karr told The Associated Press on Thursday. "It's very important for me that everyone knows that I love her very much, that her death was unintentional, that it was an accident."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060819/ap_on_re_as/thailand_jonbenet_ramsey
Buzz Mills
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Woman reportedly taped talks with Karr
PETALUMA, Calif. - A Northern California woman exchanged e-mails and recorded hours of phone conversations with John Mark Karr in which he described his fascination with JonBenet Ramsey's 1996 slaying and the 1993 murder of Polly Klaas, according to published reports.
Wendy Hutchens, 49, of Roseville, Calif., told police about her 2001 conversations with Karr weeks before the Sonoma County Sheriff's Office arrested him on five misdemeanor child *advertiser censored* charges, The Press Democrat of Santa Rosa reported Friday in its online edition.
Karr remained in jail in Thailand on Friday, a day after he claimed he was with the 6-year-old beauty queen when she was killed in Boulder, Colo.
According to the newspaper, a man with a Southern accent heard on the tapes discussing the details surrounding JonBenet's strangulation: "She was in a lot of pain before she died and suffered and was tortured. There is physical evidence of that. What a shame. It's shameful. That person did that to the most beautiful girl in the world."
The excerpts of the tape did not contain a confession by Karr, who went to high school in Alabama. But he did claim a deep "spiritual connection" with Klaas and other dead children, the newspaper reported.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060819/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey_karr_tapes_1
PETALUMA, Calif. - A Northern California woman exchanged e-mails and recorded hours of phone conversations with John Mark Karr in which he described his fascination with JonBenet Ramsey's 1996 slaying and the 1993 murder of Polly Klaas, according to published reports.
Wendy Hutchens, 49, of Roseville, Calif., told police about her 2001 conversations with Karr weeks before the Sonoma County Sheriff's Office arrested him on five misdemeanor child *advertiser censored* charges, The Press Democrat of Santa Rosa reported Friday in its online edition.
Karr remained in jail in Thailand on Friday, a day after he claimed he was with the 6-year-old beauty queen when she was killed in Boulder, Colo.
According to the newspaper, a man with a Southern accent heard on the tapes discussing the details surrounding JonBenet's strangulation: "She was in a lot of pain before she died and suffered and was tortured. There is physical evidence of that. What a shame. It's shameful. That person did that to the most beautiful girl in the world."
The excerpts of the tape did not contain a confession by Karr, who went to high school in Alabama. But he did claim a deep "spiritual connection" with Klaas and other dead children, the newspaper reported.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060819/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey_karr_tapes_1
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http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4929588,00.html
"He asked me, 'Who do you think did it?' I didn't really have an opinion," Sandrock said. "I care more about Hemingway than I do the JonBenet Ramsey case. But I said, 'Some people think the parents did it, and some people think an intruder did it.' "
The idea that John and Patsy Ramsey were involved in their 6-year-old daughter's death brought a "little smile" from Karr, Sandrock said.
Sandrock recalls meeting with Karr several times that week in Paris. "Every conversation came right back to the Ramsey case," he said.
During some of those conversations, Sandrock said he got the impression Karr "was holding something back. I thought it was because he did a lot of research (into the case)."
"He asked me, 'Who do you think did it?' I didn't really have an opinion," Sandrock said. "I care more about Hemingway than I do the JonBenet Ramsey case. But I said, 'Some people think the parents did it, and some people think an intruder did it.' "
The idea that John and Patsy Ramsey were involved in their 6-year-old daughter's death brought a "little smile" from Karr, Sandrock said.
Sandrock recalls meeting with Karr several times that week in Paris. "Every conversation came right back to the Ramsey case," he said.
During some of those conversations, Sandrock said he got the impression Karr "was holding something back. I thought it was because he did a lot of research (into the case)."
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You can watch her interview with KRON4 hereBuzzm1 said:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42189
Wudge
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Buzzm1 said:
Pamela Mackay did a truly superb job of getting Kobe Bryant off a hook that he was deeply impaled on. She would certainly have to be considered around the top on most lists.
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On the CBS Early Show this morning they were again talking to Patsy's sister Pam. She was asked if there was anything she'd like answers to from Karr and she mentioned she'd like to know if he had anything to say about the door in JonBenet's bedroom that leads out to the balcony. She apparently noticed something about it after her death that may have some significance. Has there ever been anything known about this door, was there something left on it that seemed out of place?
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http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4929501,00.html
The man suspected of killing JonBenet Ramsey may have operated a Web site for troubled kids and posted dozens of notes on Internet message boards for young people - some asking them about sex - in the months before JonBenet's death.
The messages were posted by a man who identified himself as John Karr, a 31-year-old with three children who planned to start college as an elementary-education major and work as a substitute teacher in the fall of 1996.
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The man suspected of killing JonBenet Ramsey may have operated a Web site for troubled kids and posted dozens of notes on Internet message boards for young people - some asking them about sex - in the months before JonBenet's death.
The messages were posted by a man who identified himself as John Karr, a 31-year-old with three children who planned to start college as an elementary-education major and work as a substitute teacher in the fall of 1996.
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Linda7NJ said:
Morning Linda
from your link:
In a group for high school students, the author wrote: "The legal age to consent to sex, in many states of the U.S., ranges from 14 to 16. Do you think the age should be raised or lowered, and why?"
In a site for elementary students, he also posted this question: "Is sex among people under 10 a rarity or commonplace?"
Buzz Mills
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Karr 'Fanatical' About JonBenet Case
Journalist: Karr Fascinated With Details Of Killing During 2002 Meeting In Paris
Aug. 19, 2006
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Murder suspect John Mark Karr, left, is led from the detention center to a police news conference at Immigration office in Bangkok, Thailand,
(CBS/AP) The main suspect in the slaying of JonBenet Ramsey was "fanatical" about details of the case, says a freelance journalist who met John Mark Karr in the summer of 2002 in Paris.
Michael Sandrock, a freelance journalist from Boulder, Colo., told the Rocky Mountain News that Karr, a 41-year-old schoolteacher who has confessed to accidentally killing Ramsey in Boulder in 1996, talked endlessly about the case, citing numerous newspaper stories and details during their chance meeting on the Left Bank.
Sandrock said he met Karr several times in Paris and that each conversation drifted toward the 6-year-old's death.
Sandrock said he beleived Karr "was holding something back. I thought it was because he did a lot of research."
The journalist also said he put him in touch with Michael Tracey, the University of Colorado journalism professor with whom Karr corresponded via e-mail about JonBenet Ramsey's death.
Tracey also made a documentary about the media's coverage of the Ramsey case. Tracey criticizes the media's treatment of John and Patsy Ramsey, the dead girl's parents, who were both suspects for the killing. Sandrock told the newspaper Karr was familiar with the documentary and said the idea that John and Patsy Ramsey were involved brought a "little smile" from Karr.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/19/national/main1913798.shtml
Journalist: Karr Fascinated With Details Of Killing During 2002 Meeting In Paris
Aug. 19, 2006
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Murder suspect John Mark Karr, left, is led from the detention center to a police news conference at Immigration office in Bangkok, Thailand,
(CBS/AP) The main suspect in the slaying of JonBenet Ramsey was "fanatical" about details of the case, says a freelance journalist who met John Mark Karr in the summer of 2002 in Paris.
Michael Sandrock, a freelance journalist from Boulder, Colo., told the Rocky Mountain News that Karr, a 41-year-old schoolteacher who has confessed to accidentally killing Ramsey in Boulder in 1996, talked endlessly about the case, citing numerous newspaper stories and details during their chance meeting on the Left Bank.
Sandrock said he met Karr several times in Paris and that each conversation drifted toward the 6-year-old's death.
Sandrock said he beleived Karr "was holding something back. I thought it was because he did a lot of research."
The journalist also said he put him in touch with Michael Tracey, the University of Colorado journalism professor with whom Karr corresponded via e-mail about JonBenet Ramsey's death.
Tracey also made a documentary about the media's coverage of the Ramsey case. Tracey criticizes the media's treatment of John and Patsy Ramsey, the dead girl's parents, who were both suspects for the killing. Sandrock told the newspaper Karr was familiar with the documentary and said the idea that John and Patsy Ramsey were involved brought a "little smile" from Karr.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/19/national/main1913798.shtml
Buzz Mills
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Investigators considered Karr 5 years ago
CHILD EXPLOITATION: Thailand known for lax enforcement
Saturday, August 19, 2006
(08-19) 04:00 PDT Bangkok -- When John Mark Karr stepped out of his grungy room on Si Bamphen street, scents of grilled food wafted in Bangkok's humid air while coquettish male and female prostitutes paraded on the sidewalk.
Karr would have attracted little attention with his slight build in a neighborhood that caters to expatriate residents with outdoor cafes, massage parlors, budget travel agencies and seedy hotels.
The 41-year-old Karr, who remained under detention in an immigration police jail Friday, has been in Thailand four times over the past two years, police say. Law enforcement officials say he moved into his apartment in December 2005 at the Blooms Residence, a modest, nine-story residential hotel, that rents rooms for as little as three hours and accepts cash only.
He repeatedly came to this city of 6 million inhabitants, where expatriates enjoy a low cost of living and a don't-ask-don't-tell social etiquette that allows vice and discretion to flourish. Bangkok, which also attracts millions of visitors for its magnificent temples, markets and canals, is well known for sex tourism, drugs and street markets that sell fake documents.
The announcement that authorities had arrested Karr in Thailand as a suspect in the 1996 killing of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey was viewed as rare victory in the region.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/19/MNGICKLEUA1.DTL&feed=rss.news
CHILD EXPLOITATION: Thailand known for lax enforcement
Saturday, August 19, 2006
(08-19) 04:00 PDT Bangkok -- When John Mark Karr stepped out of his grungy room on Si Bamphen street, scents of grilled food wafted in Bangkok's humid air while coquettish male and female prostitutes paraded on the sidewalk.
Karr would have attracted little attention with his slight build in a neighborhood that caters to expatriate residents with outdoor cafes, massage parlors, budget travel agencies and seedy hotels.
The 41-year-old Karr, who remained under detention in an immigration police jail Friday, has been in Thailand four times over the past two years, police say. Law enforcement officials say he moved into his apartment in December 2005 at the Blooms Residence, a modest, nine-story residential hotel, that rents rooms for as little as three hours and accepts cash only.
He repeatedly came to this city of 6 million inhabitants, where expatriates enjoy a low cost of living and a don't-ask-don't-tell social etiquette that allows vice and discretion to flourish. Bangkok, which also attracts millions of visitors for its magnificent temples, markets and canals, is well known for sex tourism, drugs and street markets that sell fake documents.
The announcement that authorities had arrested Karr in Thailand as a suspect in the 1996 killing of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey was viewed as rare victory in the region.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/19/MNGICKLEUA1.DTL&feed=rss.news
Buzz Mills
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Karr investigation began after arrest
Investigators didn't seek writing samples, DNA, speak to family of JonBenet before murder suspect was held.
Basic steps in the investigation that could tie John Mark Karr to the 1996 murder of JonBenet Ramsey didn't begin in earnest until after his arrest in Thailand on Wednesday, a Denver Post investigation has revealed.
Though the Boulder, Colo., District Attorney's Office had enough evidence to obtain an arrest warrant for Karr for first-degree murder, it was only after the warrant was issued that investigators started asking questions that would form the basis of a successful homicide prosecution, experts say.
For example, it wasn't until Wednesday morning, after Karr was in Thai custody, that a representative of Boulder DA Mary Lacy's office called Hamilton County, Ala., schools to seek a handwriting sample of Karr for comparison to the ransom note left by JonBenet's killer.
Similarly, Lacy's office still has not contacted the Colorado Bureau of Investigation to compare anything from Karr -- DNA, handwriting, a palm print, footprint or even shoe size -- to the evidence at the murder scene.
Nor did the DA's office consult with education officials in either Colorado or California to see if they could track Karr's teaching history.
Karr's ex-wife and children also weren't contacted to see if they could provide an alibi for Karr's whereabouts at the time of JonBenet's murder. Karr's former wife has told a San Francisco television station that she is sure he spent Christmas 1996 with her and the family. JonBenet was found dead the day after Christmas that year.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060819/NATION/608190325
Investigators didn't seek writing samples, DNA, speak to family of JonBenet before murder suspect was held.
Basic steps in the investigation that could tie John Mark Karr to the 1996 murder of JonBenet Ramsey didn't begin in earnest until after his arrest in Thailand on Wednesday, a Denver Post investigation has revealed.
Though the Boulder, Colo., District Attorney's Office had enough evidence to obtain an arrest warrant for Karr for first-degree murder, it was only after the warrant was issued that investigators started asking questions that would form the basis of a successful homicide prosecution, experts say.
For example, it wasn't until Wednesday morning, after Karr was in Thai custody, that a representative of Boulder DA Mary Lacy's office called Hamilton County, Ala., schools to seek a handwriting sample of Karr for comparison to the ransom note left by JonBenet's killer.
Similarly, Lacy's office still has not contacted the Colorado Bureau of Investigation to compare anything from Karr -- DNA, handwriting, a palm print, footprint or even shoe size -- to the evidence at the murder scene.
Nor did the DA's office consult with education officials in either Colorado or California to see if they could track Karr's teaching history.
Karr's ex-wife and children also weren't contacted to see if they could provide an alibi for Karr's whereabouts at the time of JonBenet's murder. Karr's former wife has told a San Francisco television station that she is sure he spent Christmas 1996 with her and the family. JonBenet was found dead the day after Christmas that year.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060819/NATION/608190325
Cypros
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Keystone Cops II!!!!!!
Buzz Mills
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If the article is true, makes you wonder how the judge ever signed off on the warrant for his arrest. There are supposed to be sufficient grounds for his arrest. If he's not the guy, makes for great grounds for a false arrest suit. Of course, after they arrested him, he confessed. What facts did the emails have in them, that deserved an arrest? That is the burning question for me. As so many things get discussed on forums, who is to say, that these alleged crime scene details weren't known by many other forum posters. It will be interesting to find out.Cypros said:
Wudge
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Buzzm1 said:
If the warrant was for murder and corroboration from two distinct evidentiary elements was not available, it would almost have to be that the D.A.s team demonstrated to the Judge that one or more of the crime scene elements (likely more) Karr noted in his emails were definitely not to be found anywhere in the public domain.
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tybee204 said:
I could be wrong, but I have the impression that at the time D.A.s team in Boulder got the warrant, they did not know about the reporting of Karr's alleged confession five years earlier.