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[calus_3]

If she didn't want the info linked, why would she have told JR or LW? You would think she would have waited to tell them when she had something concrete and he was already back in the states. My understanding is that he had been under survalance for a couple of weeks.

Because the police had given Karr an address that was supposedly for Patsy Ramsey and they were intercepting the letters. I bet that they got DNA from this guy's letter flap and already know. He apparently was pushing for a meeting with Patsey so the police had to try to arrange it. John knew about this clown for months now and it still managed to hit us all on this board like a bombshell on Tuesday.

I am telling you guys, he is the one. Just because we can't answer (with our limited knowledge of him and the case) whether he was in Boulder or how he knew the Ramsey's doesn't make it so.

Cal

 

[sheba1]

If she didn't want the info linked, why would she have told JR or LW? You would think she would have waited to tell them when she had something concrete and he was already back in the states. My understanding is that he had been under survalance for a couple of weeks.

Also remember, maybe she didn't tell JR or LW, maybe Tracy did.

I hope you're right calus, there's nothing better I'd like, than to see JBR's killer come to justice

 

[BBB167893]

"I bet that they got DNA from this guy's letter flap and already know."

I doubt it. We'd know by now.

Calus, I just don't think this is it. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[scandi]

I agree Calus with this corrected and new info we have as of this morning on the case.

Last night I was thinking he wanted to be known by the world as JonBenet's killer because he felt so bad she died, loving her like he did. I think he is one sick puppy and would love to hear a psychologists answer to why he would say accidental when he knew she ended up having an 8 1/2" crack in her skull!

Scandi

 

[UKGuy]

Because the police had given Karr an address that was supposedly for Patsy Ramsey and they were intercepting the letters. I bet that they got DNA from this guy's letter flap and already know. He apparently was pushing for a meeting with Patsey so the police had to try to arrange it. John knew about this clown for months now and it still managed to hit us all on this board like a bombshell on Tuesday.

I am telling you guys, he is the one. Just because we can't answer (with our limited knowledge of him and the case) whether he was in Boulder or how he knew the Ramsey's doesn't make it so.

Cal

calus_3,

Because the police had given Karr an address that was supposedly for Patsy Ramsey and they were intercepting the letters. I bet that they got DNA from this guy's letter flap and already know.

Its also possible that they have him linked by the dna to other homicides, and JonBenet's is simply a sting?


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[calus_3]

"I bet that they got DNA from this guy's letter flap and already know."

I doubt it. We'd know by now.

Calus, I just don't think this is it. We'll have to wait and see.

I really and truly hope there is some definitive proof one way or the other. Imagine evidence coming to light that JR actually did it....can't you see Mark Geragos getting up there and beating the jury over the head with this Karr guy. That's enough for reasonable doubt just about anywhere.

Cal

 

[Amster]

hmmmm......the Thai guy is now saying Karr wasn't talking about drugging JB....Karr was saying the whole thing was a blur.

So....if it was a blur, how could he give details about the body that nobody in the whole world knows about except the ME and who else? The butcher and baker and candlestick maker? :waitasec:

 

[BBB167893]

Well, the story was that it was someone in US LE that said it. But now, CNN is only claiming a "source."

 

[Wudge]

It was the day before Christmas Eve 2005 when John Mark Karr sent an e-mail to University of Colorado professor Michael Tracey, seeking a strange favor.
He asked Tracey to visit JonBenet Ramsey's old house in Boulder and read aloud an ode he called JonBenet, My Love.

"JonBenet, my love, my life. I love you and shall forever love you. I pray that you can hear my voice calling out to you from my darkness - this darkness that now separates us," it read, in part.

The e-mail was part of a small sample of the often lurid and disturbing correspondence between a person that investigators believe to be Karr and Tracey. The e-mails were obtained Thursday by the Rocky Mountain News from a source close to the investigation.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4926302,00.html

Hi scandi

I can't figure out why people might see something strange in that request. (snicker)

 

[newtv]

hmmmm......the Thai guy is now saying Karr wasn't talking about drugging JB....Karr was saying the whole thing was a blur.

So....if it was a blur, how could he give details about the body that nobody in the whole world knows about except the ME and who else? The butcher and baker and candlestick maker? :waitasec:

for one-why would u believe this thai guy after all of his inconsistencies..there is a language difference as well.
I wont believe anything he says now-one way or the other..he is obviously totally unreliable.

 

[BBB167893]

Well, the story was that it was someone in US LE that said it. But now, CNN is only claiming a "source."

"I really and truly hope there is some definitive proof one way or the other."

We all do, calus.

"Imagine evidence coming to light that JR actually did it....can't you see Mark Geragos getting up there and beating the jury over the head with this Karr guy. That's enough for reasonable doubt just about anywhere."

What about the other way? Suppose his defense atty gets the file, and he will, if there's a trial, and uses the "parents did it" defense. It just might work, if there's no DNA match. That's the kicker.

 

[Jayelles]

I don't trust her.....she can't even say with any certainty whether she was in Alabama or Georgia for that Christmas. It isn't like we're asking her where she was in 1942 on July 9th.....

I still do not think that they prosecutors office---who has been looking at this guy for months---would have bothered to let the media circus start and potentially ruin the chances of any subsequent prosecution WITHOUT AT LEAST MAKING SURE THEY COULD PLACE HIM AT THE SCENE OF THE CRIME FIRST! I hope not, anyway.

Cal

I think it is less important whether they were in Atlanta or Alabama than it is that they were together.

If (say) a family were in the habit of spending one Christmas with one set of in-laws and the next with the other set, they might not be able to say which set they had spent Christmas with ten years ago - but they could say with a high degree of certainty that they were together.

 

[Toltec]

This Karr guy is saying he loved JonBenet very much. In order to love someone...you have to get to know them, and/or have visual contact with them.

This wacko only fell in love with pictures and videos of little JonBenet after her death. Like lot's of pedophiles, they fantasize about little girls they know or see in pictures.

 

[BBB167893]

"I think it is less important whether they were in Atlanta or Alabama than it is that they were together."

I agree.

Toltec, all pedophiles think they love the kids they hurt.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

I think this is interesting and might clear up a lot of the problems we have been having in believing this stuff:


But Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul of the Thai immigration police changed some details Friday of the account he had given of what Karr told investigators. In a telephone interview Thursday with The Associated Press, Suwat quoted Karr as saying he had sexually assaulted the girl and given her drugs. He also told reporters before a news conference Thursday that Karr had claimed to have picked up JonBenet at her school; the slaying occurred during Christmas break.

On Friday, Suwat confirmed to the AP his account of the sexual assault. But asked Friday if Karr gave the girl drugs, Suwat said the suspect described the encounter with JonBenet Ramsey as "a blur."

"It may have been drugs, or it may have been something else because (Karr said) it was a blur, blur," Suwat said.

Suwat also said Friday that his statement about the girl being picked from school was based on a documentary he had seen and not the interrogation


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209163,00.html

Yeah, I guess it would be a blur, since it never happened in real life--at least not with him involved.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

I don't trust her.....she can't even say with any certainty whether she was in Alabama or Georgia for that Christmas. It isn't like we're asking her where she was in 1942 on July 9th.....

I still do not think that they prosecutors office---who has been looking at this guy for months---would have bothered to let the media circus start and potentially ruin the chances of any subsequent prosecution WITHOUT AT LEAST MAKING SURE THEY COULD PLACE HIM AT THE SCENE OF THE CRIME FIRST! I hope not, anyway.

Cal

It's a 4 hour drive from Hamilton, AL. to Atlanta. You can do that round trip in a day, if you have a mind to. The states are right next to each other, so being in Alabama AND Georgia during Christmas is pretty easy, espceially if her parents like is ALA and his in GA. Spend Xmas Eve with one set of grandparents, Xmas with the next. It's not like they were in Delaware and Wyoming during the holidays.

 

[BillyGoatGruff]

Yeah...where are they? And the brother was supposed to be producing photos today. :waitasec:

I really do think he was in AL/GA at the time but perhaps he slipped away overnight when Lara thought he was in GA & the brother thought he was in AL w/ Lara...that's the only explanation if he did do it and was also thought to be in the South at the time.

Go find your Xmas photos from 1996. Especially if they involve someone who you have divorced and regard to be something less than a toad. I'll wait.

 

[Elberethe]

Mark Furhman pointed out the other night on Nancy Grace that the Ramsey attorneys had been given all the evidence. That would include what the general public does not know. Seems to me if he was corresponding with Lin Wood or Patsy Ramsey he may have been given some details.

I think it's strange that he would say he should be charged on 2nd degree murder instead of first. It's as if he was given advice from an attorney. HMMMM

Maybe taking a little payoff to get John off the hook with any involvement?? It's a conspiracy theory. Crazy, I know.:crazy:

Not sure I buy the conspiracy theory, however, it is very possible he was fed information not available to the public. Let's face it, Team Ramsey was very eager to throw suspicion elsewhere and if this guy wants to volunteer for the fall......one might "accidently" give him secret info while trying to confirm he was legit.

 

[gaia]

Not sure I buy the conspiracy theory, however, it is very possible he was fed information not available to the public. Let's face it, Team Ramsey was very eager to throw suspicion elsewhere and if this guy wants to volunteer for the fall......one might "accidently" give him secret info while trying to confirm he was legit.

I agree and it's already been established through the reading of some of the e-mail exchanges between Karr and the Co. professor that the teacher kinda asked him to be more emotive. Sounds like the professor could also have given out some info to get the guy "going" as well. Wouldn't doubt it one bit!!!

gaia

 

[BBB167893]

"Yeah, I guess it would be a blur, since it never happened in real life--at least not with him involved."

Ouch! But likely true. They had Pat Browne, the profiler on "Tucker" a little bit ago. She's not buying it and is HIGHLY suspicious that Tracey might have fed this guy inside info. We know Smit gave him everything (Tracey, I mean). She also said that if this isn't the guy, that most of the evidence STILL points to the Ramseys, and she'll have no problem considering them suspects. All right, Pat!

"Let's face it, Team Ramsey was very eager to throw suspicion elsewhere and if this guy wants to volunteer for the fall......one might "accidently" give him secret info while trying to confirm he was legit."

I wouldn't be shocked. They have the e-mails he sent Tracey, but what about the ones Tracey sent him?