Burke Ramsey Files 750 Million Dollar Lawsuit Against CBS

[Gigitmdy]

Never thought about the no prints on the garrote handle. I think without a confession, we will never really know exactly how everything went down that night. My inclination is Burke did the choking, the head bash and probably something to her genitalia, that the paint brush was whittled points to Burke. I think Patsy did do some after staging, and at some point John was involved with the staging.

 

[Miz Adventure]

You are ignoring evidence like the fibres from Patsy's sweater on the inside of the duct tape. There is a huge difference between the effectiveness of the hand restraints and the garrotte as well. One is flimsy and child like, the other lethal and effective. Kolar suggests that prior to the garrotte she may have been strangled with a sweater. The marks may have been there already, so she made it look like an outside job. Again, its going to be difficult to prove who pulled that slip not now unless one of the Ramsey's talks. But consider this, we know Patsy for gloves as her prints are absent from the ransom note. The fact that no DNA that we know have has been found on the garrotte handle, that suggests to me that the person that constructed and pulled it wore gloves as well. I don't think Burke would have been that clever.

It wouldn't take somebody clever to strangle another person. It has already been proven that a 9 year old can crush the skull of a 6 year old.

BR wouldn't have been wearing gloves - why would he - he lived in the house after all? His fingerprints would be expected to be everywhere.

We know that the duct tape was part of the staging and the only people that would have had a motive to 'stage' a cover up were the parents. Fibres from PR's red and black jacket were found on the sticky side of the duct tape, which seems very incriminating.

JBR may have been pulled along the basement hallway by the neck of her shirt, which could have caused damage to her throat but this would have been just before the strangulation took place. The garrotte stick itself could have been part of the staging by the parents.

Imo.

 

[Sherlockknows]

You are ignoring evidence like the fibres from Patsy's sweater on the inside of the duct tape. There is a huge difference between the effectiveness of the hand restraints and the garrotte as well. One is flimsy and child like, the other lethal and effective. Kolar suggests that prior to the garrotte she may have been strangled with a sweater. The marks may have been there already, so she made it look like an outside job. Again, its going to be difficult to prove who pulled that slip not now unless one of the Ramsey's talks. But consider this, we know Patsy for gloves as her prints are absent from the ransom note. The fact that no DNA that we know have has been found on the garrotte handle, that suggests to me that the person that constructed and pulled it wore gloves as well. I don't think Burke would have been that clever.

Man of similar thoughts good man Andrew.
The problem for the Burke Theorists is time.
They got home around ten, not sure if this is disputed.
The pathologist, and they can be mad or wrong too, suggests the time of passing 'much closer' to 10pm then 5 the next morning.
This means based on the fact she was alive for an hour to and hour and a half before she was murdered, she was attacked between maybe 11 and 11:30.
So they arrive home at 10.
Burke goes to up bed 10:10 we'll say. Dad reads him a story.
Mum is Downstairs with JonBenet maybe having some Pineapple.
Up they go, 10:20 everything turned off doors checked, plugs etc.
She tucks the young girl in and gets ready for bed herself. 10:25
This means, both parents would have to be in bed, and fast asleep by 11. Because he had to wait till they were either both snoring or asleep before he could do everything people said, and strangle her before one. Even if it wasn't premeditated he would have to act like an experienced killer to get everything done.
Go down. Argue over the Pineapple which no one heard, hit her. Get the sheet he didn't know was there. Carry then drag her which would leave marks on the sheet from the concrete in the basement.
Create what he would use to strangle her with, but first wait an hour or so, maybe abusing her then or after she was dead. Strangle her. Or do it all upstairs risking being caught and drag her down afterwards.

Now consider Patsy hit her in a fit of anger after the young one stole a piece of Pineapple, or shouted at her Mum because she was tired of being paraded around in those silly dresses. Whack! All night to make things right.


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[Miz Adventure]

Man of similar thoughts good man Andrew.
The problem for the Burke Theorists is time.
They got home around ten, not sure if this is disputed.
The pathologist, and they can be mad or wrong too, suggests the time of passing 'much closer' to 10pm then 5 the next morning.
This means based on the fact she was alive for an hour to and hour and a half before she was murdered, she was attacked between maybe 11 and 11:30.
So they arrive home at 10.
Burke goes to up bed 10:10 we'll say. Dad reads him a story.
Mum is Downstairs with JonBenet maybe having some Pineapple.
Up they go, 10:20 everything turned off doors checked, plugs etc.
She tucks the young girl in and gets ready for bed herself. 10:25
This means, both parents would have to be in bed, and fast asleep by 11. Because he had to wait till they were either both snoring or asleep before he could do everything people said, and strangle her before one. Even if it wasn't premeditated he would have to act like an experienced killer to get everything done.
Go down. Argue over the Pineapple which no one heard, hit her. Get the sheet he didn't know was there. Carry then drag her which would leave marks on the sheet from the concrete in the basement.
Create what he would use to strangle her with, but first wait an hour or so, maybe abusing her then or after she was dead. Strangle her. Or do it all upstairs risking being caught and drag her down afterwards.

Now consider Patsy hit her in a fit of anger after the young one stole a piece of Pineapple, or shouted at her Mum because she was tired of being paraded around in those silly dresses. Whack! All night to make things right.


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I wouldn't believe anything JR said. He was probably the only one 'fast asleep' (for a while anyway).

If JBR had been dragged all the way down to the basement her body would have been black and blue, not to mention the damage done to her head, which by this time would already have been partially caved in.

I believe that Patsy stayed up all night. After the family arrived back home and the kids were settled into whatever they were doing, sleeping or playing - maybe a bit of both - Patsy resumed packing for the Charlevoix trip. John had probably gone to bed.

I doubt if much of what was happening in the basement could be heard upstairs. Patsy may have been on the top floor in the master suite (it took up the entire top floor and had many rooms). She may even have known the kids were still up and thought she'd deal with them when she went downstairs.

Alas by then it was too late.

 

[kanzz]

You are ignoring evidence like the fibres from Patsy's sweater on the inside of the duct tape. There is a huge difference between the effectiveness of the hand restraints and the garrotte as well. One is flimsy and child like, the other lethal and effective. Kolar suggests that prior to the garrotte she may have been strangled with a sweater. The marks may have been there already, so she made it look like an outside job. Again, its going to be difficult to prove who pulled that slip not now unless one of the Ramsey's talks. But consider this, we know Patsy for gloves as her prints are absent from the ransom note. The fact that no DNA that we know have has been found on the garrotte handle, that suggests to me that the person that constructed and pulled it wore gloves as well. I don't think Burke would have been that clever.

The duct tape was part of the staging - applied after death.
The difference between the wrist cord and the ligature is that one is staging and one is a murder weapon.
The paintbrush is questionable because we don't know if it was used to pull the cord or if it was applied after the murder as part of the staging.
Do we know that the paintbrush was tested for DNA? Apologies, I can't remember and can't find anything.

 

[Sherlockknows]

I wouldn't believe anything JR said. He was probably the only one 'fast asleep' (for a while anyway).

If JBR had been dragged all the way down to the basement her body would have been black and blue, not to mention the damage done to her head, which by this time would already have been partially caved in.

I believe that Patsy stayed up all night. After the family arrived back home and the kids were settled into whatever they were doing, sleeping or playing - maybe a bit of both - Patsy resumed packing for the Charlevoix trip. John had probably gone to bed.

I doubt if much of what was happening in the basement could be heard upstairs. Patsy may have been on the top floor in the master suite (it took up the entire top floor and had many rooms). She may even have known the kids were still up and thought she'd deal with them when she went downstairs.

Alas by then it was too late.

Which opens the final question.

Was she hit from the front in an argument which of course would have been heard in the kitchen, the Pineapple, kids knowing the parents were up by your reckoning, or hit from behind? Either way if he strangled her, she would have had to stay upstairs for another hour and a half and only come down to them, or go in to them in their bedrooms, at 1?


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[HarmonyE.]

Do we know that the paintbrush was tested for DNA? Apologies, I can't remember and can't find anything.

I don't think I've ever heard. You'd think it would have been near the top of the list if not back then, when they did the touch DNA testing on the clothing.

Anyone?

 

[kanzz]

I don't think I've ever heard. You'd think it would have been near the top of the list if not back then, when they did the touch DNA testing on the clothing.

Anyone?

HarmonyE. - I'm thinking they probably didn't test it. Sources for DNA included biological material: blood, semen, saliva, urine, feces, teeth, bone, hair with root. iirc, the ME sent the paintbrush for forensic testing, but unless the forensics lab found biologicals when they tested it, they wouldn't have DNA tested it. Unfortunately, it might not have been a good surface for fingerprints either.

 

[Ambitioned]

I think I read somewhere they were not able to get any prints off that wood. But don't quote me on that!

Hopefully they can re-test almost everything with the updated technology we have today.

 

[kanzz]

Man of similar thoughts good man Andrew.
The problem for the Burke Theorists is time.
They got home around ten, not sure if this is disputed.
The pathologist, and they can be mad or wrong too, suggests the time of passing 'much closer' to 10pm then 5 the next morning.
This means based on the fact she was alive for an hour to and hour and a half before she was murdered, she was attacked between maybe 11 and 11:30.
So they arrive home at 10.
Burke goes to up bed 10:10 we'll say. Dad reads him a story.
Mum is Downstairs with JonBenet maybe having some Pineapple.
Up they go, 10:20 everything turned off doors checked, plugs etc.
She tucks the young girl in and gets ready for bed herself. 10:25
This means, both parents would have to be in bed, and fast asleep by 11. Because he had to wait till they were either both snoring or asleep before he could do everything people said, and strangle her before one. Even if it wasn't premeditated he would have to act like an experienced killer to get everything done.
Go down. Argue over the Pineapple which no one heard, hit her. Get the sheet he didn't know was there. Carry then drag her which would leave marks on the sheet from the concrete in the basement.
Create what he would use to strangle her with, but first wait an hour or so, maybe abusing her then or after she was dead. Strangle her. Or do it all upstairs risking being caught and drag her down afterwards.

Now consider Patsy hit her in a fit of anger after the young one stole a piece of Pineapple, or shouted at her Mum because she was tired of being paraded around in those silly dresses. Whack! All night to make things right.


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BBM
This assumes and/or skews things that are:
a) not known,
b) told by the R's and therefore can't be taken as fact, or
c) stated as fact here when they are not.

There isn't a time problem for the BDI theory. Not at all.

Where did you find that the ME "suggests the time of passing 'much closer' to 10pm then 5 the next morning."?

"Contrary to several media reports over the past few days, the autopsy report on JonBenet Ramsey does not and has never contained information on the estimated time of death. I have not been able to determine the original source of the statement that the report contained the estimated time of death, but it certainly did not come from this office. The time of an "unwitnessed" death is very difficult to determine with any precision, and at best is an estimate based not only on autopsy findings but also on investigative information. I consider estimation of time of death to be an interpretive finding rather than a factual statement, and it is not this Office's practice to include this estimate as part of any autopsy report. As has been stated in the past, it would also be inappropriate for me, as a potential expert and material witness, to make interpretive statements prior to testifying in court." John E. Meyer, M.D., Boulder County Coroner.

 

[kanzz]

Which opens the final question.

Was she hit from the front in an argument which of course would have been heard in the kitchen, the Pineapple, kids knowing the parents were up by your reckoning, or hit from behind? Either way if he strangled her, she would have had to stay upstairs for another hour and a half and only come down to them, or go in to them in their bedrooms, at 1?


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From the front? No.
From behind? No.

As we can tell by looking at the photo of her skull, she was struck over the top of her head.

We don't know there was ever an argument.
We don't know definitively about the time period. It may or may not have been an hour and a half. It could have been as little as 20 minutes.

Ronald Wright, MD "director of the forensic pathology department at the University of Miami School of Medicine, reviewed Jo nBenet's autopsy report Tuesday at the request of the Rocky Mountain News." RMN stated: "The blow to her head -- which Wright is convinced was not from a golf club but more likely a blunt object such as a baseball bat or heavy flashlight -- came first, Wright said. "She was whopped on the head a long time before she was strangled," said Wright. 'That might or might not have rendered her unconscious. But this is not anything that kills her right away.' He said 20 to 60 minutes elapsed between the skull fracture and the strangulation." [Emphasis added]

 

[Sherlockknows]

BBM
This assumes and/or skews things that are:
a) not known,
b) told by the R's and therefore can't be taken as fact, or
c) stated as fact here when they are not.

There isn't a time problem for the BDI theory. Not at all.

Where did you find that the ME "suggests the time of passing 'much closer' to 10pm then 5 the next morning."?

"Contrary to several media reports over the past few days, the autopsy report on JonBenet Ramsey does not and has never contained information on the estimated time of death. I have not been able to determine the original source of the statement that the report contained the estimated time of death, but it certainly did not come from this office. The time of an "unwitnessed" death is very difficult to determine with any precision, and at best is an estimate based not only on autopsy findings but also on investigative information. I consider estimation of time of death to be an interpretive finding rather than a factual statement, and it is not this Office's practice to include this estimate as part of any autopsy report. As has been stated in the past, it would also be inappropriate for me, as a potential expert and material witness, to make interpretive statements prior to testifying in court." John E. Meyer, M.D., Boulder County Coroner.

"Though the stages of mortis are not precise science for conclusively identifying the time of death, the body’s physical condition suggested that JonBenet had been dead for a considerable time, estimated between 10 pm the previous evening and no later than 5:51 am when the police report was received.
In pathologist John E. Meyer’s words — “Far closer to 10 pm than to 5 am.”



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[kanzz]

"Though the stages of mortis are not precise science for conclusively identifying the time of death, the body’s physical condition suggested that JonBenet had been dead for a considerable time, estimated between 10 pm the previous evening and no later than 5:51 am when the police report was received."
In pathologist John E. Meyer’s words — “Far closer to 10 pm than to 5 am.”

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Thank you for the quote. (I took the liberty of adding the closing quotation marks).
Just to be a little pedantic - "Far closer to 10 pm than to 5 am" are not John E. Meyer’s words, they are yours.. a paraphrase or interpretation.. but I would tend to agree. I have a hunch this didn't happen terribly long after they got home that night and that the kids never went to bed at all.
And of course, we have to factor in all the time it would have taken for the events post incident: e.g. deciding on a plan, staging, composition and writing of the RN.

 

[flourish]

Thank you for the quote. (I took the liberty of adding the closing quotation marks).
Just to be a little pedantic - "Far closer to 10 pm than to 5 am" are not John E. Meyer’s words, they are yours.. a paraphrase or interpretation.. but I would tend to agree. I have a hunch this didn't happen terribly long after they got home that night and that the kids never went to bed at all.
And of course, we have to factor in all the time it would have taken for the events post incident: e.g. deciding on a plan, staging, composition and writing of the RN.

You're not being pedantic. Precise language is something which is notably absent from this case in general, and it's important to ensure there is clarity on what we do know.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Thank you for the quote. (I took the liberty of adding the closing quotation marks).
Just to be a little pedantic - "Far closer to 10 pm than to 5 am" are not John E. Meyer’s words, they are yours.. a paraphrase or interpretation.. but I would tend to agree. I have a hunch this didn't happen terribly long after they got home that night and that the kids never went to bed at all.
And of course, we have to factor in all the time it would have taken for the events post incident: e.g. deciding on a plan, staging, composition and writing of the RN.

I think you are right. And remember we don't have a precise time when they left the Whites' or when they arrived home. John has given different times over the years. They could have been home as early as 9:30, if not earlier.

As she was wearing the same clothes, its almost a sure bet Patsy did not go to bed that night and this could not have been part of her plan with the early flight and much to be done over the next few days on through to the cruise. I see a viable scenario being John going to bed pretty soon after getting home, leaving Patsy to finish up whatever she needed to do before bed, possibly if not probably on the third floor. The kids, with or without permission, are on the main level. It's Christmas night and all the new toys are there. It's where I'd be if I were 6 or 10 if I could get away with it, especially knowing I wasn't taking most of my new things with me on the trips. Burke has some tea and gets some pineapple and milk. JBR has a piece, offered or otherwise. Burke also eats little. He entices JBR down to his scary (to his sister) domain, perhaps telling her about where there are more secret presents hidden. Preoccupied packing Patsy now has two full stories between herself and her children in a very large house and she has no idea what they are up to. Patsy eventually decides to check on them before getting herself ready for bed and does not find them in their rooms....

 

[Sherlockknows]

Thank you for the quote. (I took the liberty of adding the closing quotation marks).
Just to be a little pedantic - "Far closer to 10 pm than to 5 am" are not John E. Meyer’s words, they are yours.. a paraphrase or interpretation.. but I would tend to agree. I have a hunch this didn't happen terribly long after they got home that night and that the kids never went to bed at all.
And of course, we have to factor in all the time it would have taken for the events post incident: e.g. deciding on a plan, staging, composition and writing of the RN.

No I took the quote from Online.

I have experience of Pathologists here. We had landmark cases where they cut children sold organs, stuffed children with cotton wool etc. They dealt with Pharma and Colleges. No consultation with parents. They got caught. Publicly apologised at a press conference and you would think we're shamed, then got caught in 2007 again. My Sister was also cut no apology offered as legally it would then leave them open to being sued. Some of them are notorious liars. They got caught in 1990's uk. Paid compensation. Should have been jail. And in other countries. Who knows why some of them do things.

Note the end of this breakdown from the Autopsy. Also note no rectal temp was taken which could be deemed unusual.



Autopsy Findings

Time Recorded in Autopsy Report.

The autopsy report states Death D/T: 12/26/96 @1323, but this obviously is the time the body was actually found rather than a true time of death.

Coroner's Note. A Note from Dr. John Meyer August 13, 1997 is posted at Webbsleuths (see bottom of page, following Autopsy Report).

"Contrary to several media reports over the past few days, the autopsy report on JonBenet Ramsey does not and has never contained information on the estimated time of death. I have not been able to determine the original source of the statement that the report contained the estimated time of death, but it certainly did not come from this office. The time of an "unwitnessed" death is very difficult to determine with any precision, and at best is an estimate based not only on autopsy findings but also on investigative information. I consider estimation of time of death to be an interpretive finding rather than a factual statement, and it is not this Office's practice to include this estimate as part of any autopsy report. As has been stated in the past, it would also be inappropriate for me, as a potential expert and material witness, to make interpretive statements prior to testifying in court." John E. Meyer, M.D., Boulder County Coroner.
Rectal Temperature. According to one authoritative source, body cooling "is the most useful single indicator of the time of death during the first 24 hours post mortem. Some writers would regard it as the only worthwhile corporal method." However, no rectal temperature was taken of JBR, so this method cannot be used to estimate time of death.

Livor Mortis.

The autopsy states: "There is dorsal 3+ to 4+ livor mortis which is nonblanching. Livor mortis is also present on the right side of the face."

Rigor Mortis.

The autopsy states: "At the time of the initiation of the autopsy there is mild 1 to 2+rigor mortis of the elbows and shoulders with more advanced 2 to 3+ rigor mortis of the joints of the lower extremities."
Onset of Rigor Mortis. "Rigor mortis can be used to help estimate time of death. The onset of rigor mortis may range from 10 minutes to several hours, depending on factors including temperature (rapid cooling of a body can inhibit rigor mortis, but it occurs upon thawing). Maximum stiffness is reached around 12-24 hours post mortem. Facial muscles are affected first, with the rigor then spreading to other parts of the body" About.com.

Completion of Rigor Mortis.

One authoritative summary states: "Niderkorn's (1872) observations on 113 bodies provides the main reference database for the development of rigor mortis and is commonly cited in textbooks....In this series, rigor was complete in 14% of cases at 3 hours post mortem and this percentage had risen to 72% at 6 hours and to 90% at 9 hours. By 12 hours post mortem rigor was complete in 98% of cases."

Net Assessment of Time of Death. Physical evidence suggests JBR died between 10 PM and 6 AM; based on the degree of rigor mortis observed, it was likely closer to midnight than to 6:00 AM.


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[HarmonyE.]

No I took the quote from Online.

snip snip snip

Net Assessment of Time of Death. Physical evidence suggests JBR died between 10 PM and 6 AM; based on the degree of rigor mortis observed, it was likely closer to midnight than to 6:00 AM.

2:59 am is closer to midnight than 6 am. So this basically means squat. But my guess is she was dead by midnight and the Ramseys knew this. Which is why they choose 12/25/96 as the death date on her grave marker.

 

[Sherlockknows]

2:59 am is closer to midnight than 6 am. So this basically means squat. But my guess is she was dead by midnight and the Ramseys knew this. Which is why they choose 12/25/96 as the death date on her grave marker.

I mentioned the grave marker and the idea was shot down, you mention it and it's thanked, or liked. Isn't the trolling getting a bit boring for somebody?

Schiller

"Arndt attended the autopsy. She reported that Meyers had found fibers on JBRs shirt which were similar to fibers found in her pubic area and also found green fibers in her hair...Meyers decided not to make notes of these events in his report."

"Meyers also suspended the autopsy while a CBI Technician walked Trujillo through the process of lifting fingerprints off of JBRs body. One partial print was lifted.....Meyers decided not to make notes of these events in his report"

True or false? Was Meyers holding things back from the report or was he not obliged to enter things in he left out?


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[questfortrue]

I mentioned the grave marker and the idea was shot down, you mention it and it's thanked, or liked. Isn't the trolling getting a bit boring for somebody?

Schiller

"Arndt attended the autopsy. She reported that Meyers had found fibers on JBRs shirt which were similar to fibers found in her pubic area and also found green fibers in her hair...Meyers decided not to make notes of these events in his report."

"Meyers also suspended the autopsy while a CBI Technician walked Trujillo through the process of lifting fingerprints off of JBRs body. One partial print was lifted.....Meyers decided not to make notes of these events in his report"

True or false? Was Meyers holding things back from the report or was he not obliged to enter things in he left out?


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Yes, Meyer held back certain facts from the autopsy report, and planned to be able to address these specifics if the case went to trial. He did speak to the Grand Jury, so I assume what he held back was shared at that time.

 

[kanzz]

No I took the quote from Online.

I have experience of Pathologists here. We had landmark cases where they cut children sold organs, stuffed children with cotton wool etc. They dealt with Pharma and Colleges. No consultation with parents. They got caught. Publicly apologised at a press conference and you would think we're shamed, then got caught in 2007 again. My Sister was also cut no apology offered as legally it would then leave them open to being sued. Some of them are notorious liars. They got caught in 1990's uk. Paid compensation. Should have been jail. And in other countries. Who knows why some of them do things.

Note the end of this breakdown from the Autopsy. Also note no rectal temp was taken which could be deemed unusual.



Autopsy Findings

Time Recorded in Autopsy Report.

The autopsy report states Death D/T: 12/26/96 @1323, but this obviously is the time the body was actually found rather than a true time of death.

Coroner's Note. A Note from Dr. John Meyer August 13, 1997 is posted at Webbsleuths (see bottom of page, following Autopsy Report).

"Contrary to several media reports over the past few days, the autopsy report on JonBenet Ramsey does not and has never contained information on the estimated time of death. I have not been able to determine the original source of the statement that the report contained the estimated time of death, but it certainly did not come from this office. The time of an "unwitnessed" death is very difficult to determine with any precision, and at best is an estimate based not only on autopsy findings but also on investigative information. I consider estimation of time of death to be an interpretive finding rather than a factual statement, and it is not this Office's practice to include this estimate as part of any autopsy report. As has been stated in the past, it would also be inappropriate for me, as a potential expert and material witness, to make interpretive statements prior to testifying in court." John E. Meyer, M.D., Boulder County Coroner.
Rectal Temperature. According to one authoritative source, body cooling "is the most useful single indicator of the time of death during the first 24 hours post mortem. Some writers would regard it as the only worthwhile corporal method." However, no rectal temperature was taken of JBR, so this method cannot be used to estimate time of death.

Livor Mortis.

The autopsy states: "There is dorsal 3+ to 4+ livor mortis which is nonblanching. Livor mortis is also present on the right side of the face."

Rigor Mortis.

The autopsy states: "At the time of the initiation of the autopsy there is mild 1 to 2+rigor mortis of the elbows and shoulders with more advanced 2 to 3+ rigor mortis of the joints of the lower extremities."
Onset of Rigor Mortis. "Rigor mortis can be used to help estimate time of death. The onset of rigor mortis may range from 10 minutes to several hours, depending on factors including temperature (rapid cooling of a body can inhibit rigor mortis, but it occurs upon thawing). Maximum stiffness is reached around 12-24 hours post mortem. Facial muscles are affected first, with the rigor then spreading to other parts of the body" About.com.

Completion of Rigor Mortis.

One authoritative summary states: "Niderkorn's (1872) observations on 113 bodies provides the main reference database for the development of rigor mortis and is commonly cited in textbooks....In this series, rigor was complete in 14% of cases at 3 hours post mortem and this percentage had risen to 72% at 6 hours and to 90% at 9 hours. By 12 hours post mortem rigor was complete in 98% of cases."

Net Assessment of Time of Death. Physical evidence suggests JBR died between 10 PM and 6 AM; based on the degree of rigor mortis observed, it was likely closer to midnight than to 6:00 AM.


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Thanks for stating that you took the quote from online. I had already googled and found it at exactly only one site that I do not find to be credible. If those were actually the ME's own words, they would be quoted elsewhere online - properly, which this was not.

I'm not following what you mean by, "I have experience of Pathologists here." or "...they cut children sold organs..."

I knew that no rectal temp had been obtained. Speculation was that the cool concrete basement floor would have skeweded results. I believe that to be true.

The paragraph you quoted - ""Contrary to several media..." is the same one I provided for you.

I'm not arguing that JBR's death was likely closer to 10pm than 6am.