CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #10

[human]

I was being sarcastic. Trust me. My point was that if we do that to homeschooling families there is no reason to not do it to everyone. The whole "if you have nothing to hide" claim ticks me off. I'm sick of people using the horrific actions of others to steal the rights and freedoms of others.

I feel children are being stolen from, No license, no training , nothing required to raise human beings, Sad

 

[rsd1200]

I was being sarcastic. Trust me. My point was that if we do that to homeschooling families there is no reason to not do it to everyone. The whole "if you have nothing to hide" claim ticks me off. I'm sick of people using the horrific actions of others to steal the rights and freedoms of others.

Oh good! Ya had me a bit worried there bp. Lol

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[human]

Red shirt picture holding rolled up posters, DT lanyard and striped shirts/wristbands.

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I've been curious about that location. Looks like parking lot to me, but what do I know. Disney entrance?


Not sure if this is second pic PP referenced, but this other red stripe shirt pic appears to possibly, imo, be from a year or two after the rolled up tube red stripe shirt picture.

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That second picture looks photoshopped to me,

 

[mrsobrien]

https://www3.cde.ca.gov/psa/form.asp?formtype=blank


49. Private school authorities are responsible for initiating contact with the appropriate local authorities (city and/or county) regarding compliance with ordinances governing health, safety and fire standards, business licensing, and zoning requirements applicable to private schools.


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This is for other. The private school of six or more requires a password. Maybe the fire info is there.

I wonder if they filed for tax exempt status

I am not a lawyer, but I believe the requirement of inspection only applies to spaces meant to accomodate groups of 50+.
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=HSC&sectionNum=13143.

(a) Except as provided in Section 18930, the State Fire Marshal, with the advice of the State Board of Fire Services, shall prepare, adopt, and submit building standards for approval pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 18935) of Part 2.5 of Division 13 and shall prepare and adopt other regulations establishing minimum requirements for the prevention of fire, and for the protection of life and property against fire and panic, in any building or structure used or intended for use as an asylum, jail, mental hospital, hospital, home for the elderly, children’s nursery, children’s home or institution not otherwise excluded from the coverage of this subdivision, school, or any similar occupancy of any capacity, and in any assembly occupancy where 50 or more persons may gather together in a building, room, or structure for the purpose of amusement, entertainment, instruction

HSC 13143 -Only assemblies. such as educational assemblies, with 50 or more students require a fire inspection

http://www.sbhn.50megs.com/basics.html

 

[human]

I am not a lawyer, but I believe the requirement of inspection only applies to spaces meant to accomodate groups of 50+.
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=HSC§ionNum=13143.





http://www.sbhn.50megs.com/basics.html

What is in Sec. 18930?

 

[mrsobrien]

What is in Sec. 18930?

Here's a snip. It appears to be focused on the legality of the structure itself, building codes, standards, etc.

(a) Any building standard adopted or proposed by state agencies shall be submitted to, and approved or adopted by, the California Building Standards Commission prior to codification.  Prior to submission to the commission, building standards shall be adopted in compliance with the procedures specified in Article 5 (commencing with Section 11346) of Chapter 3.5 of Part 1 of Division 3 of Title 2 of the Government Code .  Building standards adopted by state agencies and submitted to the commission for approval shall be accompanied by an analysis written by the adopting agency or state agency that proposes the building standards which shall, to the satisfaction of the commission, justify the approval thereof in terms of the following criteria:

(1) The proposed building standards do not conflict with, overlap, or duplicate other building standards.

(2) The proposed building standard is within the parameters established by enabling legislation and is not expressly within the exclusive jurisdiction of another agency.

(3) The public interest requires the adoption of the building standards.  The public interest includes, but is not limited to, health and safety, resource efficiency, fire safety, seismic safety, building and building system performance, and consistency with environmental, public health, and accessibility statutes and regulations.

http://codes.findlaw.com/ca/health-and-safety-code/hsc-sect-18930.html

 

[Stunned]

That’s a backdrop at a themed establishment not a template. This has been established.

Photoshop is a very difficult programme to use and especially so to chop people out of photos or superimpose entire families into landscape scenes seamlessly. It’s also a very expensive programme and requires a fairly good computer to run. I highly doubt these are photoshopped. Just because there are not other photos on FB doesnt mean they don’t exist. FB appears to be just to post the odd photo to call off the family questions.

Must have missed this...when exactly are they? What a fun couple. Not.

 

[mtnlites]

Must have missed this...when exactly are they? What a fun couple. Not.

If you're referring to the "rodeo" picture, this is a backdrop at Billy Bob's, a big nightclub complex in Texas. In one article it said that they returned to that particular place on more than one occasion.

 

[ilovepierre]

IMO, the Disneyland photos aren't photoshopped.
They're just getting their photos taken at the various photo locations around the park.
Not sure how long ago the Disney photos are, but if they're using Photo Pass, the pics are now watermarked...they never used to be, though.
Of course, if they're using their own camera, there won't be the watermarks.

All of this is IMO and based off my experiences at Disneyland.
I'm a bit of a Disneyland nut 😂

 

[human]

IMO, the Disneyland photos aren't photoshopped.
They're just getting their photos taken at the various photo locations around the park.
Not sure how long ago the Disney photos are, but if they're using Photo Pass, the pics are now watermarked...they never used to be, though.
Of course, if they're using their own camera, there won't be the watermarks.

All of this is IMO and based off my experiences at Disneyland.
I'm a bit of a Disneyland nut ��

Do you think that one of them in the striped shirts at night is real?

 

[ilovepierre]

Do you think that one of them in the striped shirts at night is real?

IMO, yes.
That picture was taken almost as soon as they entered the park.
Because it's dark out, and lights do funky things to movement when it's dark all the people around them are blurred.
I just checked my own photos from an evening Disneyland parade, and some of my photos are blurry due to movement.
Some things are hard to do with Photoshop, so IMO, the Disneyland pics are real.

 

[human]

IMO, yes.
That picture was taken almost as soon as they entered the park.
Because it's dark out, and lights do funky things to movement when it's dark all the people around them are blurred.
I just checked my own photos from an evening Disneyland parade, and some of my photos are blurry due to movement.
Some things are hard to do with Photoshop, so IMO, the Disneyland pics are real.

Thanks for the info. I figured it was just them superimposing a picture onto a background. Is that hard to do?

 

[ilovepierre]

Thanks for the info. I figured it was just them superimposing a picture onto a background. Is that hard to do?

If you don't know what you're doing, yes.
Which is why I believe that photo is real.

IMO

 

[human]

If you don't know what you're doing, yes.
Which is why I believe that photo is real.

IMO

The father worked for Defense contractors. I imagine his computer skills were pretty darn good.

 

[human]

I'm no expert, but I've always been under the impression that the purpose of federal and state mandated testing was to grade the school itself for funding allocation purposes, not to address the progress and well being of individual students.

In California, you're required to provide proof of physical exam, vaccination, and dental exam in kindergarten only. My oldest is in high school and has not been given any health screenings by the school system ever.

Just my experience in California.

In MN you have to bring your child to your doctor. I forget what other ages that you have to provide health info.,Maybe before high school.

Why would anyone object to having a child go to the doctor?

Wouldn’t it have been nice if the Turpins had been required to and someone checked up on it if they didn’t.

I know our school nurse was relentless in finding out info. I had a special program for the homeless and the nurse knew how to find clinics with the tiniest bit of info as to where they may be located. Most of the homeless I served were abused women from other states who often had gone to different clinics for their children and could not remember the doctor’s name or the street address. Most of the mothers I worked with did not have a permanent physician but even they with their nightmare lives brought their children to the doctor.

If the children were not up to date with medical issues, there were volunteer doctors who would see the children right away.

The Turpins probably had health insurance seeing as they went to the hospital for the births, They could not be bothered to bring the children.

 

[mrsobrien]

I believe that homeschooling should be conditional, based on testing to prove that the children are getting at least as good of an education, as they would be in public school.

And I'd like public schools to be held accountable for the education of each student. In my opinion, they are not. Countless children slip through the cracks, academically and otherwise. We see it all the time.

I feel like we're getting OT here, as this thread is dedicated to the Turpin siblings. Imo, the "parents" abused the system. They're the vast minority though. All the HSing parents I know are extremely dedicated to their childrens' educations. Most choose a program referred to as an umbrella school, meaning they opt to partner with a public charter for support. These umbrella schools offer extracurricular opportunities, enrichment, credited classes, and the popular tests.

 

[mtnlites]

And I'd like public schools to be held accountable for the education of each student. In my opinion, they are not. Countless children slip through the cracks, academically and otherwise. We see it all the time.

I feel like we're getting OT here, as this thread is dedicated to the Turpin siblings. Imo, the "parents" abused the system. They're the vast minority though. All the HSing parents I know are extremely dedicated to their childrens' educations. Most choose a program referred to as an umbrella school, meaning they opt to partner with a public charter for support. These umbrella schools offer extracurricular opportunities, enrichment, credited classes, and the popular tests.

I agree with you, for what it's worth.

I am afraid that this is going to be one of those topics where we are all going to have to agree to disagree. I don't view my children as "possessions" but I 100% have a problem with too much government involvement. So much of that is so subjective anyway. What one person views as a safety concern is something that another person may not. When a situation like this comes up, we generally start looking closely at the situation and try to find a way in which we can cast blame. Homeschooling comes under scrutiny a lot when, in fact, as you said the majority of them are doing it "correctly" and providing wonderful educations for their children.

I still maintain that the only people at true fault here are the parents. (Although I have trouble believing that the grandparents didn't see *something* wrong when they were on their visit.) People who want to do such things will find ways in which to do it.

 

[mrsobrien]

I agree with you, for what it's worth.

I am afraid that this is going to be one of those topics where we are all going to have to agree to disagree. I don't view my children as "possessions" but I 100% have a problem with too much government involvement. So much of that is so subjective anyway. What one person views as a safety concern is something that another person may not. When a situation like this comes up, we generally start looking closely at the situation and try to find a way in which we can cast blame. Homeschooling comes under scrutiny a lot when, in fact, as you said the majority of them are doing it "correctly" and providing wonderful educations for their children.

I still maintain that the only people at true fault here are the parents. (Although I have trouble believing that the grandparents didn't see *something* wrong when they were on their visit.) People who want to do such things will find ways in which to do it.

I feel like it's natural for us to look for the cause, the thing to blame.

Imo, the school system and the Turpin adults are completely separate. I blame THEM for their actions.

Yes, I wish the school system wasn't a mess, but most of all, I wish "parents" wouldn't abuse their kids and put us all in a position to find something to blame. THEY did this.

 

[mtnlites]

In MN you have to bring your child to your doctor. I forget what other ages that you have to provide health info.,Maybe before high school.

Why would anyone object to having a child go to the doctor?

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Some people's religious beliefs keep them from going to the doctor and they would protest an infringement of their rights if they were made to go. I don't believe that the Turpins had any such beliefs, but I know many people who do. (And there have been some court cases in which the parents were found negligent from withholding medical care, but that's another topic for another day and not related to this case.) In our state, your child can get a religious exemption for vaccinations when they start school. In the majority of these families, children still receive medical care but not from MDs. I didn't see a doctor myself until I was 16 years old, but that wasn't because of our beliefs-it was because we were poor and didn't have insurance.

 

[mtnlites]

I feel like it's natural for us to look for the cause, the thing to blame.

Imo, the school system and the Turpin adults are completely separate. I blame THEM for their actions.

Yes, I wish the school system wasn't a mess, but most of all, I wish "parents" wouldn't abuse their kids and put us all in a position to find something to blame. THEY did this.

Yep, I agree!