CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #11

[arkansasmimi]

This is the article I saw that said the phone had photos. But it is conflicting because it says 3 were chained when police arrived. DA statement was that 2 were released and 1 was still chained when LEO came in. So maybe the photos showed them chained, is how they knew of the other 2 allegedly chained? Pretty dang smart to me to do leave and take phone with photos. JMHO

"The defendants' 17-year-old daughter escaped the home by jumping through a window shortly before 6 a.m. on Jan. 14, carrying a deactivated mobile phone with which she was able to dial 911, according to sheriff's Capt. Greg Fellows.

The girl told dispatchers her 12 siblings were in need of help, and when deputies arrived, she presented them with photographs documenting conditions inside the residence, the captain said. Fellows said three children were found chained to furniture inside the residence." https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/...ontacting-13-Kids-Kept-Captive-470856273.html

 

[SATA]

It seems kind of weird that only one child would have lewd acts happen to them...
IMO, she's the only one so far that has spoken up about the lewd acts.
IIRC, she was the one who attempted to escape in Texas, right? I wonder if the assault to her happened after DT and LT found out she was trying to escape.

IMO

I don´t think girl number eight ever lived in Texas. She was born in 2001, they moved to Rio Vista Cal in 1999.

Oldest girl was 11 when they moved.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Yeah... I can see that. Like, 20 years ago, "let's just have sandwiches for lunch..." and then it turned into half a sandwich, and then it turned into quarter sandwiches three times a day, etc.

They definitely weren't STARVED, because they wouldn't be alive, but it's so so obvious that they weren't getting enough food to sustain themselves healthily, as they are severely malnourished, so I'm thinking it was "rationing food gone wrong" and they just kept going with it.

They were probably more concerned about their vacations and trips and FUN times rather than the daily expenses of having so many children.

Except 20 years ago wouldn't be good time. They only had a couple kids then. The charges start 6/11/2010. for Torture which was said to intensify. But the most recent were in the last 3 years. * but I get what you were saying. Report said they rationed meals to one a day. But we don;t know how long that has been.

They didn't have any medical records when they were admitted to hospitals. Evidently the 6 minors were released from hospital to 2 foster homes after the RO was issued. The 7 adults are still in hospital wing. I curious if since the charges are for dependent adults if they are all disabled or the extent. Depends on the reports. But for the charges they all have to be don't they? Will any medical records (if there are any) make any difference in the charges? I will be glad when we get a better picture of the situation.

But the fun times and vacations it appears they took all 13 with them.

 

[watergirl62]

I wonder what their actual bills were each month.

Their grocery bill? Their water bill? Electric bill?

I feel like that would tell a large part of the story.
If you're not really feeding these kids, the bill wouldn't be much more than $800-$1000 a month, I believe. Maybe $1500 just to keep them alive.

If everyone is showering properly, I would think their water bill would exceed $500 a month, if not more.

The electric bill? Well, considering they didn't have a TV, if they kept the lights off all the time as well, their electric bill would be relatively low, I would imagine. So that could tell a decent story as well.

Leyash, there are some bankruptcy papers from Texas from a few years back. Be sure to take a good look at those when you get to them, it sort of answers your monthly expenses questions.

Their credit card abuse was ridiculous. Their financial situation? A nightmare. Get it, trash it, abandon it, move on. Their mentality towards money speaks volumes IMO.

 

[leyash]

Except 20 years ago wouldn't be good time. They only had a couple kids then. The charges start 6/11/2010. for Torture which was said to intensify. But the most recent were in the last 3 years. * but I get what you were saying. Report said they rationed meals to one a day. But we don;t know how long that has been.

They didn't have any medical records when they were admitted to hospitals. Evidently the 6 minors were released from hospital to 2 foster homes after the RO was issued. The 7 adults are still in hospital wing. I curious if since the charges are for dependent adults if they are all disabled or the extent. Depends on the reports. But for the charges they all have to be don't they? Will any medical records (if there are any) make any difference in the charges? I will be glad when we get a better picture of the situation.

But the fun times and vacations it appears they took all 13 with them.

See? This is why I need to read more of the last 10 threads... ugh.
I guess we have awhile until the next court appearance, so I might as well get started on that so that I can get caught up on everything.

 

[leyash]

Leyash, there are some bankruptcy papers from Texas from a few years back. Be sure to take a good look at those when you get to them, it sort of answers your monthly expenses questions.

Their credit card abuse was ridiculous. Their financial situation? A nightmare. Get it, trash it, abandon it, move on. Their mentality towards money speaks volumes IMO.

I will go and take a look at those. I was looking through stuff on my phone, and 83 pages is a LOT to go through when you can't read anything on the screen, lol. I will go back and find the reports in the first thread and take a look at them.

Man, kudos to you folks that REALLY sleuth. I want to be like you one day. Just learning. I can find just about anything on the internet, but to find relevant information you really have to be 100% caught up on the case... blah. I'm gonna go back and read the other 10 threads.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by ilovepierre View Post
It seems kind of weird that only one child would have lewd acts happen to them...
IMO, she's the only one so far that has spoken up about the lewd acts.
IIRC, she was the one who attempted to escape in Texas, right? I wonder if the assault to her happened after DT and LT found out she was trying to escape.

IMO

I don´t think girl number eight ever lived in Texas. She was born in 2001, they moved to Rio Vista Cal in 1999.

Oldest girl was 11 when they moved.

Only child that didn't is the toddler that was born in 2015. They moved to CA from Texas in summer of 2010. Charges now say start 6/11/2010. #8 will be 18 in Nov 2018

As far as the allegations by couple neighbors it just hearsay because not from the person who allegedly picked a child up. Not even clear who it was suppose to be. Plus never any reports either. DA said they were not aware of any prior escape attempts in CA either.

Statue is written weird. It could even be touching through clothing.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I'm not understanding the comment about "You always plea not guilty." I've seen several cases (in fact, I am involved in one) where the person plead guilty from the get-go.

Well then that person must have thought they were. But you should always plea not guilty. JMHO You can always change it. And always ask for an attorney. ALWAYS

 

[Jasper52]

See? This is why I need to read more of the last 10 threads... ugh.
I guess we have awhile until the next court appearance, so I might as well get started on that so that I can get caught up on everything.

leyash, I don't know if all the articles etc. are posted here or not. It may be easier and a bit quicker to read the articles found here;

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?362877-Media-and-Timeline-for-Turpin-Child-Abuse-Case-NO-DISCUSSION

As a side note, many have imposed self-bans from this thread/case as it just too difficult and emotional to handle, especially when following other cases involving children. It just gets to be too much at times.

 

[msphilosopher]

It seems kind of weird that only one child would have lewd acts happen to them...
IMO, she's the only one so far that has spoken up about the lewd acts.
IIRC, she was the one who attempted to escape in Texas, right? I wonder if the assault to her happened after DT and LT found out she was trying to escape.

IMO

That's what I was thinking too... that she's the only one that has spoken up. OR maybe she isn't the only one who has spoken up but the only one strong enough to testify.

I'm unfamiliar with the legal system, does anyone know if the prosecution would avoid listing other charges of lewd acts / assault if the victim was too fragile to testify or had mental disabilities to really understand the circumstances or cross examination?

Just thinking out loud.

 

[arkansasmimi]

See? This is why I need to read more of the last 10 threads... ugh.
I guess we have awhile until the next court appearance, so I might as well get started on that so that I can get caught up on everything.

it ok, and on these kinds of threads it hard to ever get caught up on everything. I prefer to pay attention to the documents and what I hear the LEO or DA say, media messes stuff up lol. good luck.

 

[arkansasmimi]

That's what I was thinking too... that she's the only one that has spoken up. OR maybe she isn't the only one who has spoken up but the only one strong enough to testify.

I'm unfamiliar with the legal system, does anyone know if the prosecution would avoid listing other charges of lewd acts / assault if the victim was too fragile to testify or had mental disabilities to really understand the circumstances or cross examination?

Just thinking out loud.

From way I understand, it would be 1 count for each and every time. And it was touching (per DA) but not rape or molestation. One count from day of birthday til day before her next.

They charges they have now are against 7 that they are saying are mentally or physically disabled. They would need probable cause to file the charges. Unless someone came forth and said something or had proof they can't just charge. There is the possibility if they come up with evidence they will add another charge. JMHO

The Sixth Amendment provides that a person accused of a crime has the right to confront a witness against him or her in a criminal action. This includes the right to be present at the trial as well as the right to cross-examine the prosecution's witnesses

 

[watergirl62]

I don´t think girl number eight ever lived in Texas. She was born in 2001, they moved to Rio Vista Cal in 1999.

Oldest girl was 11 when they moved.

I just saw a 'Turpins timeline' that I probably can't link when I was checking your dates, because I was thinking the oldest girl was born in CA but it shows she was born in WV.

Anyways, they moved to Rio Vista TX from Their house in Fort Worth. He was commuting to DFW metroplex to both LM and NG jobs from RV. Hope that makes sense.

 

[SATA]

I just saw a 'Turpins timeline' that I probably can't link when I was checking your dates, because I was thinking the oldest girl was born in CA but it shows she was born in WV.

Anyways, they moved to Rio Vista TX from Their house in Fort Worth. He was commuting to DFW metroplex to both LM and NG jobs from RV. Hope that makes sense.

OK, so Fort Worth and Rio Vista are both in TX! My bad. I googled it, and it said Rio Vista CAL - there are Rio Vistas in both states.

They moved from TX in 2010 - so girl number 8 COULD have been the one to escape and be brought back home, but she would only have been 9 years old.

The oldest girl would have been 22. More likely it was her or one of the other older girls.

 

[watergirl62]

OK, so Fort Worth and Rio Vista are both in TX! My bad. I googled it, and it said Rio Vista CAL - there are Rio Vistas in both states.

They moved from TX in 2010 - so girl number 8 COULD have been the one to escape and be brought back home, but she would only have been 9 years old.

The oldest girl would have been 22. More likely it was her or one of the other older girls.

Once I kept looking for local news coverage in Austin TX for a girl who went missing from Austin, MN. Doh.


ETA:
The children rarely emerged. Soon after the family arrived, one of the older girls tried to run away but was returned by a local resident.

This was in 2000.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-na-perris-texas-20180120-story.html

 

[watergirl62]

UPDATE
1. (F) Jen 07/28/1988 *ancestry
2. (M) Jos 02/03/1992 * ancestry
3. (F) Jes 11/03/1993 * ancestry
4. (M) Jon 11/17/1995 * ancestry
5. (F) Joy 05/21/1997 * ancestry
6. (F) Jul 06/15/1998 * Texas birth index
7. (F) Jea 07/27/1999 *Texas birth index
8. (F) Jor 11/16/2000 ** will be 18 Nov 2018 **complaint info
9. (M) Jam *paternal grandmother obit
10. (F) Joa *paternal grandmother obit
11. (F) Jol *paternal grandmother obit
12. (F) Julis *paternal grandmother obit ***JOLIS on the Complaint counts
13. (F) Jan *03/20/15 ** Complaint

So... Jen or Jes. I'm going with Jen. Which explains a lot... [emoji20]

 

[SATA]

Once I kept looking for local news coverage in Austin TX for a girl who went missing from Austin, MN. Doh.


ETA:
The children rarely emerged. Soon after the family arrived, one of the older girls tried to run away but was returned by a local resident.

This was in 2000.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-na-perris-texas-20180120-story.html

Interesting article, but it is all so HORRID!

 

[ilovepierre]

I don´t think girl number eight ever lived in Texas. She was born in 2001, they moved to Rio Vista Cal in 1999.

Oldest girl was 11 when they moved.

Right!
I should have checked that info before I posted!
Too many names and birthdays to get straight.

 

[Satch]

Thanks for allowing us to post the names of the children now. It will help with identifying their needs, talents, and abilities as they begin the healing process!

My question is, since the judge has prohibited David and Louise from any contact with the kids except through their lawyers or arranged by the court for three years, if there is a trial and a conviction, do you think that the parents will be in prison before that three year period of time to see the kids has lapsed? I don't want David and Louise to see the kids after the horror of what they did to them! Unless there are extenuating circumstances where it is something that each individual Turpin child or legal adult would want. However, it has to be the children's decision only.

Satch

 

[SATA]

Right!
I should have checked that info before I posted!
Too many names and birthdays to get straight.

But I wasn´t right! There are a couple of posts which correct my info.