CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #11

[msphilosopher]

Counts:
1-12 = 206
13 = Lewd act Against JOR / David
14 - 20 = 368 " elder dependent"
21 - 29 = child suffering (not complete but was trying to split out counts)
30 - 41 = violated personal liberty
42 = against JOR / Louise

The kids who were under the dates on various charges end the day prior to 18th birthday. In the case of JOR she will be 18, Nov 2018. JOR is also the victim who escaped 1/14/18 and called 911

1 Jen = 1, 14, 30
2 Jos = 2, 15, 31
3 Jes = 3, 25, 32
4 Jon = 4, 17, 33
5 Joy = 5, 18, 21, 34
6 Jul = 6, 19, 22, 35
7 Jea = 7, 20, 23, 36
8 Jor = 8, 13, 24, 37, 42
9 Jam = 9, 25, 38
10 Joa =10. 26, 39
11 Jol = 11, 27, 40
12 Jolis =12, 28, 41
13 Jan = 29 (3/20/15 -1/14/18) dob

Will there be more charges coming?

Both the lewd act and assault charges happened to JOR. I’m wondering if we are only seeing these charges against JOR because she was the only one or because her siblings haven’t been able to speak yet on the specific abuse they individually endured?




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[SATA]

Will there be more charges coming?

Both the lewd act and assault charges happened to JOR. I’m wondering if we are only seeing these charges against JOR because she was the only one or because her siblings haven’t been able to speak yet on the specific abuse they individually endured?




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Very useful, thanks.
Just one question: is it a mistake that number 3 has child suffering instead of elder dependent?

 

[arkansasmimi]

Very useful, thanks.
Just one question: is it a mistake that number 3 has child suffering instead of elder dependent?

Yes that is the one that should have been 16 instead of 25 (which number I accidentally duplicated but unable to edit.

CORRECTED
Counts:
1-12 = 206
13 = 288(b)(1) Lewd act against child under 14 (DT)
14 - 20 = 368 (b)(1) " elder dependent"
21 - 29 = 273(a)(a) child abuse/neglect
30 - 41 = 236 false imprisonment
42 = 245(a)(4) felony assault (LT)

The kids who were under the dates on various charges end the day prior to 18th birthday. In the case of JOR she will be 18, Nov 2018. JOR is also the victim who escaped 1/14/18 and called 911

1 Jen = 1, 14, 30
2 Jos = 2, 15, 31
3 Jes = 3, 16, 32
4 Jon = 4, 17, 33
5 Joy = 5, 18, 21, 34
6 Jul = 6, 19, 22, 35
7 Jea = 7, 20, 23, 36
8 Jor = 8, 13, 24, 37, 42
9 Jam = 9, 25, 38
10 Joa =10. 26, 39
11 Jol = 11, 27, 40
12 Jolis =12, 28, 41
13 Jan = 29 (3/20/15 -1/14/18) dob

 

[arkansasmimi]

CA 15610.23.
(a) “Dependent adult” means any person between the ages of 18 and 64 years who resides in this state and who has physical or mental limitations that restrict his or her ability to carry out normal activities or to protect his or her rights, including, but not limited to, persons who have physical or developmental disabilities, or whose physical or mental abilities have diminished because of age.

(b) “Dependent adult” includes any person between the ages of 18 and 64 years who is admitted as an inpatient to a 24-hour health facility, as defined in Sections 1250, 1250.2, and 1250.3 of the Health and Safety Code.

(Amended by Stats. 2002, Ch. 54, Sec. 4. Effective January 1, 2003.) http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=15610.23.&lawCode=WIC

 

[arkansasmimi]

Will there be more charges coming?

Both the lewd act and assault charges happened to JOR. I’m wondering if we are only seeing these charges against JOR because she was the only one or because her siblings haven’t been able to speak yet on the specific abuse they individually endured?
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Not sure. The first Complaint was done just days after the DT and DL arrest. There were errors that had to be fixed (dates) and then they went back and corrected the start date, and changed dates to charges that prior had started in 2010.

After reading the penal codes, I am thinking that the date beginning 1/15/2015 and ending 3 yrs later 1/14/2018 may have more to do with statute of limitations but not sure. It is also common to overcharge so that they have some room to wrangle the charges. Lots of times they drop some for various reasons. Possibly can add more. They added 3 on the Amended because they took into consideration 3 of the dependent adults were minors for a small amount of time within those 3 years. JMHO

 

[leyash]

I am trying to catch up on all of this, but it would take me weeks to get through the previous 10 threads, and by then I'm sure there would be 10 more!

All I have to say, is that I am absolutely mortified. I have 4 children, and it's TOUGH! Our monthly grocery bill is around $800 to $1000... I can't imagine 4-5 TIMES that! That's insanity.

I'm wondering, since someone mentioned that moms sister was sexually abused, I'm wondering if this was moms way of making sure that her kids didn't experience the same? Keeping them locked up to ensure they weren't sexually abused? I'm also wondering what dads charge for lewdness was. Is there any word on that?

Sorry if all of this has been covered. I am only on page 2.

 

[leyash]

The bankrupcy document definitely supports it. I just went and checked many of the MSM initial reports and they are pretty much in agreement that DT/LT rushed to take the restraints of a 14-year-old and an 11-year-old but did not get the restraints off the older sibling before the authorities stopped them. For example:

"When deputies knocked on the Turpins’ door on Sunday morning, the Turpins unchained two of the three children, but one – a 22-year-old – remained chained, according to the DA. An 11-year-old and 14-year-old were unchained as deputies stood at the door, Hestrin said."

http://fox59.com/2018/01/18/califor...h-food-and-allowed-1-shower-per-year-da-says/

Also here is a youtube of the press conference, and he says around the 5:10 mark that two of victims, an 11- and a 14-year-old were unchained while the police were watching at the door.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9gfimgjeXk

So, this tells me that they knew they were doing something wrong. They had their faculties together enough to know that it wasn't right to keep them chained up and restrained. So, can't really use the "insanity" plea on that one. You KNEW what you were doing was wrong!

 

[DakotaMayi]

I am trying to catch up on all of this, but it would take me weeks to get through the previous 10 threads, and by then I'm sure there would be 10 more!

All I have to say, is that I am absolutely mortified. I have 4 children, and it's TOUGH! Our monthly grocery bill is around $800 to $1000... I can't imagine 4-5 TIMES that! That's insanity.

I'm wondering, since someone mentioned that moms sister was sexually abused, I'm wondering if this was moms way of making sure that her kids didn't experience the same? Keeping them locked up to ensure they weren't sexually abused? I'm also wondering what dads charge for lewdness was. Is there any word on that?

Sorry if all of this has been covered. I am only on page 2.

I really don't think that Mom was trying to protect her babies from anything. Just putting them through more torture honestly.

 

[leyash]

I wonder what their actual bills were each month.

Their grocery bill? Their water bill? Electric bill?

I feel like that would tell a large part of the story.
If you're not really feeding these kids, the bill wouldn't be much more than $800-$1000 a month, I believe. Maybe $1500 just to keep them alive.

If everyone is showering properly, I would think their water bill would exceed $500 a month, if not more.

The electric bill? Well, considering they didn't have a TV, if they kept the lights off all the time as well, their electric bill would be relatively low, I would imagine. So that could tell a decent story as well.

 

[Jasper52]

The kids were only allowed to shower once a year.

When the kids washed their hands, if the water went above their wrists, they were punished.

 

[leyash]

Agreed. Also, correct me if I am wrong, I believe spitting at an officer is something you can be charged for.


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Yes, it's considered assault on a peace officer.
However, they probably didn't charge her with that (from what I am seeing for current charges) because they figure she has enough charges on her, she probably won't ever get out of prison.
Or, she didn't actually spit AT them.

 

[leyash]

I can't help but feel like these kids thought that this kind of life was fairly "normal..."
I mean, obviously this isn't the case with all of them, because the 17 year old fled... but like, when the neighbor asked one of the girls their names, and she said "We aren't allowed to tell people our names..." like, I'm wondering if she genuinely thought that it's normal for all kids to stay hidden. Like, their parents convinced them that the world was evil, so they willingly stayed away from any strangers.

Gah. I hope these kids... and adults - are getting the help they so desperately need. I can't fathom this.

 

[leyash]

Assuming they want privacy, have they asked for privacy?

I've seen no reports them have.

After all many are adults who have been to Vegas etc...

And bought drinks apparently as the were asked for adult ID hence I find the idea
they would not be able to function in the world somewhat dubious.

Just my opinion of course. I have been wrong before (although I can't provide a link, you will have to
take my word for it) so I could be wrong again.

'Given the traumatic events they have been through, I don't think they should really have to ask for privacy. It should just be done, period. I'm sure they are so overwhelmed with the world, given they have no experience in it, and although they are adults (some of them), I feel like they don't need to release any information just yet based on our curiosities.

JMO. Not trying to be rude, please don't take it that way.

 

[leyash]

Vegas security guards ask for ID at just about every turn. Just because they were in Vegas doesn't mean they were drinking. I've spent a lot of time in Vegas and am often carded just for waking through the casino too slowly. (You're not allowed to linger on the casino floor unless you're 21 but you must walk through the casino to get through anyplace in Vegas. I look young.)

And, at any rate, even if they were drinking, that doesn't correlate with life skills. Life skills come with doing, with experience, with a certain amount of freedom to to get out and make decisions on one's own. (All of which are difficult to do when you're being held inside your home.)

Since these are victims of a crime, I think they deserve their privacy until they come forward themselves and say otherwise. They didn't ask for attention in the first place.

I can't imagine their parents "allowing" them to drink.
Also, how did they get an ID to prove how old they were? I'm wondering if any of them even had an ID to be honest. I guess since one of the girls was seen driving, she must have had her drivers license... maybe? But maybe they didn't allow all of the ones of age to get their drivers license?

Hmmm.

 

[leyash]

Recent news articles related to the Turpin family:

Police are investigating a break in at the Turpin family house and the thefts of two of their cars.
http://www.kesq.com/news/police-investigating-seperate-thefts-at-turpin-home/702265923

Neighbors still reeling a month after California torture case came to light. Neighbors reflect on what allegedly occurred at the house and how they felt something was off but not enough to contact LE.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02...onth-after-perris-torture-case-came-to-light/

This might sound kind of silly, but does anyone think this could have been done on purpose? To hide possible evidence of something sinister? I could be reaching here, but meh... maybe the dude just wanted some sort of revenge.

 

[SATA]

I wonder what their actual bills were each month.

Their grocery bill? Their water bill? Electric bill?

I feel like that would tell a large part of the story.
If you're not really feeding these kids, the bill wouldn't be much more than $800-$1000 a month, I believe. Maybe $1500 just to keep them alive.

If everyone is showering properly, I would think their water bill would exceed $500 a month, if not more.

The electric bill? Well, considering they didn't have a TV, if they kept the lights off all the time as well, their electric bill would be relatively low, I would imagine. So that could tell a decent story as well.

I actually think the abuse started little by little in an attempt to save money, but escalated into cruelty.
It IS MASSIVELY expensive to have such a big family, so it makes sense to me.

 

[ilovepierre]

Will there be more charges coming?

Both the lewd act and assault charges happened to JOR. I’m wondering if we are only seeing these charges against JOR because she was the only one or because her siblings haven’t been able to speak yet on the specific abuse they individually endured?




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It seems kind of weird that only one child would have lewd acts happen to them...
IMO, she's the only one so far that has spoken up about the lewd acts.
IIRC, she was the one who attempted to escape in Texas, right? I wonder if the assault to her happened after DT and LT found out she was trying to escape.

IMO

 

[leyash]

....
All the siblings are still being cared for in hospitals near their home in Riverside County, California. But that's about to change. A source tells us the county has won conservatorship over the adult children, and they'll move to a supervised living facility Wednesday. And starting Thursday, the six minor children will be split up to live in two foster homes. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/califo...orrors-to-face-restraining-order-13-children/

Ugh, this makes me SO sad. These are the only people these children ever saw, the only people they were ever around. While I know their life is going to be MUCH better now, I can't fathom how hard it must be to be away from the only people you have ever spent time with, for your entire life.

 

[leyash]

From that link;

"Some of them have never really seen a toothbrush before. ... Things that we just take for granted mean so much to these kids."

OMG. I don't understand this!!! Why deny them basic hygiene?! What does ANYONE benefit from that?! Like, brushing their teeth, bathing, etc. Denying them something like that, along with food... good grief. These people are insane!

 

[leyash]

Court addressing amended felony complaint. Defense has received complaint, and submit not guilty pleas. #PerrisPrisonHome

https://twitter.com/ZakDahlheimer/s...y|twsrc^android|twgr^copy|twcon^7090|twterm^0

Preliminary hearing for #Turpins tentatively set for May 14. Felony Settlement Conference hearing set for March 23. #PerrisPrisonHome

https://twitter.com/ZakDahlheimer/s...y|twsrc^android|twgr^copy|twcon^7090|twterm^0

If they enter a not guilty plea, they can't take a plea deal, right? They have to enter a guilty plea to go for a plea deal? Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Also, if they enter a not guilty plea, doesn't that mean it's going to trial?