GUILTY CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #12

[MsGazette]

At first, I looked like he was saying "do you know" or "do you want" but now that you and other people have mentioned, it does look like he said "do you care". The whole video bothers me deeply because even the lawyers are "smiley". Is this normal?
At this point, the lawyers might have already introduced the idea of them going against each other, right? I don't see DT and LT going that route though.

I don’t know...to me it looks like he says “Did you read it” like it’s something pertaining to the case and then gets reprimanded by the bailiff / officer because he looks towards the officer and says something like oh ok and immediately ends the communication with LT.


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[Corina]

I'm still baffled by their deportment at times during the "wedding" re-enactment:
the gaze LT gave DT was what I can only describe as mesmeric - utterly focused, intently, on him;
and his emotional tearfulness to the point where he could barely speak at one stage -
I cannot imagine what all that was about.

 

[arkansasmimi]

The Press-Enterprise
PUBLISHED: March 23, 2018 at 10:34 am | UPDATED: March 23, 2018 at 10:23 pm

David and Louise Turpin, the Perris couple accused in a torture case that prosecutors say involved varying degrees of abuse of their 13 children, sat unshackled in court for the first time Friday, March 23, during a hearing in which relatives also showed up, also apparently for the first time.

During the hearing, held to assess attorneys’ readiness for a May 14 preliminary hearing and handle other matters, a new status conference was set for May 4.
...

The relatives were identified by John Glatt, an author from New York writing a book on the case, as Louise’s sister Elizabeth Flores and Louise’s cousin Tricia Andreassen. Both women declined to be interviewed.

But the women have spoken about their jailhouse visits with Louise, 49, and David, 56, on national television on two continents.
https://www.pe.com/2018/03/23/turpins-due-in-court-friday-for-perris-torture-case-status-hearing/

 

[arkansasmimi]

JMHO exactly the reason dome things are under seal. If not authorized to speak on record, then why speak to a report at all? Same with the CEO at the hospital, he crossed many boundary lines jmho

Turpin Case: Parents Accused Of Shackling 13 Children In ‘House Of Horrors’ Appear In Court With Sister In Audience
March 23, 2018 at 8:50 pm

During the brief, 5-minute hearing, the Riverside County Counsel, which represents the couple’s 13 children, handed over two boxes of evidence that contain information about the seven adult children and six juveniles. The information was submitted under seal.

CBS2 has confirmed that the seven adult children have been released from the hospital and are living together under supervision. They are mostly confined to the property and must be accompanied if they leave the premises.

As for the six minors, sources not authorized to speak on the record told CBS2 that they have also been released from the hospital and are living in two separate foster homes, seeing each other often.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2018...t-appearance-shackled-children-abuse-torture/

 

[bohemianish]

My first post. I tried to read through the previous threads, and eventually hit a mental overload point. So please forgive me if this has already been discussed:

The siblings’ names are known from the charging doc (which lists first three letters of each name) and from the online obituary.
Obit:http://www.engleshookfuneralhome.com/guestbook/1146841
Charging doc:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RUPpC-zwgDidg6AnP5bd1MioY8o80d9V/view

Now, here’s a full video of one of the vow renewals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tb4ZBbvcrc
Skip ahead to 28:50.

Elvis invites the three sons onto the stage. He says the names of sibling #4 and sibling #9, and the names he says correspond to the charging doc and obituary. Then he asks sibling #2 what his name is… and the response sounds like “Javey”. Elvis repeats it back, and it again sounds like “Javey”.

According to the charging doc and obituary, sibling #2’s name is not one that could reasonably be nicknamed to Javey. But… remember that large bulleye drawing on the wall of one of the former homes? There’s a name written on the wall next to the drawing, which looks like “Jevi”.

Drawing: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=129313&d=1517029544

Has this already been noticed/discussed? What do y’all make of this?

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[FelicityLemon]

The Press-Enterprise
PUBLISHED: March 23, 2018 at 10:34 am | UPDATED: March 23, 2018 at 10:23 pm

David and Louise Turpin, the Perris couple accused in a torture case that prosecutors say involved varying degrees of abuse of their 13 children, sat unshackled in court for the first time Friday, March 23, during a hearing in which relatives also showed up, also apparently for the first time.

During the hearing, held to assess attorneys’ readiness for a May 14 preliminary hearing and handle other matters, a new status conference was set for May 4.
...

The relatives were identified by John Glatt, an author from New York writing a book on the case, as Louise’s sister Elizabeth Flores and Louise’s cousin Tricia Andreassen. Both women declined to be interviewed.

But the women have spoken about their jailhouse visits with Louise, 49, and David, 56, on national television on two continents.
https://www.pe.com/2018/03/23/turpins-due-in-court-friday-for-perris-torture-case-status-hearing/

Ugh. Declined to be interviewed because it would have been free.

 

[FelicityLemon]

My first post. I tried to read through the previous threads, and eventually hit a mental overload point. So please forgive me if this has already been discussed:

The siblings’ names are known from the charging doc (which lists first three letters of each name) and from the online obituary.
Obit:http://www.engleshookfuneralhome.com/guestbook/1146841
Charging doc:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RUPpC-zwgDidg6AnP5bd1MioY8o80d9V/view

Now, here’s a full video of one of the vow renewals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tb4ZBbvcrc
Skip ahead to 28:50.

Elvis invites the three sons onto the stage. He says the names of sibling #4 and sibling #9, and the names he says correspond to the charging doc and obituary. Then he asks sibling #2 what his name is… and the response sounds like “Javey”. Elvis repeats it back, and it again sounds like “Javey”.

According to the charging doc and obituary, sibling #2’s name is not one that could reasonably be nicknamed to Javey. But… remember that large bulleye drawing on the wall of one of the former homes? There’s a name written on the wall next to the drawing, which looks like “Jevi”.

Drawing: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=129313&d=1517029544

Has this already been noticed/discussed? What do y’all make of this?

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:welcome6: Good catch!

 

[SkipperKey3]

My first post. I tried to read through the previous threads, and eventually hit a mental overload point. So please forgive me if this has already been discussed:

The siblings’ names are known from the charging doc (which lists first three letters of each name) and from the online obituary.
Obit:http://www.engleshookfuneralhome.com/guestbook/1146841
Charging doc:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RUPpC-zwgDidg6AnP5bd1MioY8o80d9V/view

Now, here’s a full video of one of the vow renewals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tb4ZBbvcrc
Skip ahead to 28:50.

Elvis invites the three sons onto the stage. He says the names of sibling #4 and sibling #9, and the names he says correspond to the charging doc and obituary. Then he asks sibling #2 what his name is… and the response sounds like “Javey”. Elvis repeats it back, and it again sounds like “Javey”.

According to the charging doc and obituary, sibling #2’s name is not one that could reasonably be nicknamed to Javey. But… remember that large bulleye drawing on the wall of one of the former homes? There’s a name written on the wall next to the drawing, which looks like “Jevi”.

Drawing: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=129313&d=1517029544

Has this already been noticed/discussed? What do y’all make of this?

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Welcome. I believe this has all been covered. There are various ways now to find the actual names but we don't generally refer to them by name for a number of reasons. Probably primarily, because they have never been officially released. But the online obit signing as been noted here. Nonetheless, we often just refer to them by number (such as #8 was the escapee). That seems a little impersonal, but there you have it.

As for "Javey"/"Jevi", we had a discussion on this awhile back. It was questioned whether all the letters on the wall ("Jeni") were definitely readable or were missing pen strokes which weren't dark enough for the image, thus maybe the V was actually and N, which makes more sense. (I believe one poster expressed the opinion that the extra stroke is barely visible as an indent, if I remember correctly.) It was also questioned why it was written so high up. As for what he said in the video, we discussed this and some of us determined he was saying his initials, JD. May times children, especially sons, are referred to familiarly (as a nickname) by their initials. Thus not "Javey" but "J.D." Ultimately it is supposition, though, no matter how you interpret the wall and the video.

At any rate, welcome aboard.

 

[RickshawFan]

The Press-Enterprise
PUBLISHED: March 23, 2018 at 10:34 am | UPDATED: March 23, 2018 at 10:23 pm

David and Louise Turpin, the Perris couple accused in a torture case that prosecutors say involved varying degrees of abuse of their 13 children, sat unshackled in court for the first time Friday, March 23, during a hearing in which relatives also showed up, also apparently for the first time.

During the hearing, held to assess attorneys’ readiness for a May 14 preliminary hearing and handle other matters, a new status conference was set for May 4.
...

BBM I was unable to comment on the previous thread, since it was already closed. The two Turpins may not have been shackled, but they may have been adorned with zapper belts in case they tried to bolt or get aggressive.

Why were they allowed to wear their own clothes, anyway?

.....

I believe I read somewhere in the last thread that the May 4 conference was classified as a "settlement conference". Would that mean a settlement is anticipated, or is this routine?

 

[bohemianish]

Welcome. I believe this has all been covered. There are various ways now to find the actual names but we don't generally refer to them by name for a number of reasons. Probably primarily, because they have never been officially released. But the online obit signing as been noted here. Nonetheless, we often just refer to them by number (such as #8 was the escapee). That seems a little impersonal, but there you have it.

As for "Javey"/"Jevi", we had a discussion on this awhile back. It was questioned whether all the letters on the wall ("Jeni") were definitely readable or were missing pen strokes which weren't dark enough for the image, thus maybe the V was actually and N, which makes more sense. (I believe one poster expressed the opinion that the extra stroke is barely visible as an indent, if I remember correctly.) It was also questioned why it was written so high up. As for what he said in the video, we discussed this and some of us determined he was saying his initials, JD. May times children, especially sons, are referred to familiarly (as a nickname) by their initials. Thus not "Javey" but "J.D." Ultimately it is supposition, though, no matter how you interpret the wall and the video.

At any rate, welcome aboard.

Thanks for your reply and explanation!

 

[arkansasmimi]

BBM I was unable to comment on the previous thread, since it was already closed. The two Turpins may not have been shackled, but they may have been adorned with zapper belts in case they tried to bolt or get aggressive.

Why were they allowed to wear their own clothes, anyway?

.....

I believe I read somewhere in the last thread that the May 4 conference was classified as a "settlement conference". Would that mean a settlement is anticipated, or is this routine?

RBBM
1) clothing/no shackles...Simple reason, the Def attorneys filed a Motion, and the Judge signed an Order allowing it. Will be that way from now on. Same with the no shackles, as long as the Sheriff has no issues with the Order. Per last hearing 2/23/18.

2) Felony Settlement Conf (more or less a status hearing. Like they had 2/23, 3/23 and were going to have on 4/20 but there was a conflict in scheduling so it is now 5/4.

I anticipate the Prelim hearing myself.
From the DA office:
In felony cases a Felony Settlement Conference (FSC) is set following the arraignment. An FSC is similar to a TRC and consists of exchanging discovery (information about the case) and attempting to negotiate a disposition. If the attorneys are unable to resolve the case then a Preliminary Hearing date is set.
Preliminary Hearing
In felony cases, your first appearance and testimony may be at the preliminary hearing. This is not a trial -- but it is a hearing at which the judge determines if there is sufficient evidence to require the defendant to stand trial in superior court. Normally just enough evidence is presented to "hold the defendant to answer." No jurors will be present, since the judge alone decides if there will be a trial.

Information Arraignment
If the defendant is "held to answer," at a Preliminary Hearing, a new date will be set for an Information Arraignment and the defendant will be arraigned again in Superior Court. You do not have to appear at the arraignment.

Felony Trial
California law requires that a defendant charged with a felony be brought to trial within 60 days of the filing of the Information or the Indictment in Superior Court, unless that right is waived by the accused. Therefore, in some cases, this time could extend to several months.

Witnesses must testify at the trial even if they were thoroughly questioned at the Preliminary Hearing. In some cases, a trial will not be held because the defendant pleads guilty. When this happens, you will be notified that your testimony will not be required, and you will be released from your obligation under the subpoena to come to court.
http://www.rivcoda.org/opencms/victimwitness/guide.html

 

[arkansasmimi]

My first post. I tried to read through the previous threads, and eventually hit a mental overload point. So please forgive me if this has already been discussed:

The siblings’ names are known from the charging doc (which lists first three letters of each name) and from the online obituary.
Obit:http://www.engleshookfuneralhome.com/guestbook/1146841
Charging doc:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RUPpC-zwgDidg6AnP5bd1MioY8o80d9V/view

Now, here’s a full video of one of the vow renewals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tb4ZBbvcrc
Skip ahead to 28:50.

Elvis invites the three sons onto the stage. He says the names of sibling #4 and sibling #9, and the names he says correspond to the charging doc and obituary. Then he asks sibling #2 what his name is… and the response sounds like “Javey”. Elvis repeats it back, and it again sounds like “Javey”.

According to the charging doc and obituary, sibling #2’s name is not one that could reasonably be nicknamed to Javey. But… remember that large bulleye drawing on the wall of one of the former homes? There’s a name written on the wall next to the drawing, which looks like “Jevi”.

Drawing: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=129313&d=1517029544

Has this already been noticed/discussed? What do y’all make of this?

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RBBM. Son #2 first and middle initials are J. D. It is very possible that he is called JD by his family. And if JD is what was said (JayDee) taking into Elvis accent/pronouncement sounds different to some. JMHO ETA for all I know it possible they call him Davey? but JD sounds reasonable to me.

And as far as the writing on the wall, as someone else mentioned it was spoken about a ways back.
There is also this meaning for JEVI which we do not know who/when or why was on that wall.

Jevi is a Dominican slang that means excellent, or awesome, or cool https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jevi

 

[claudianunes]

RBBM. Son #2 first and middle initials are J. D. It is very possible that he is called JD by his family. And if JD is what was said (JayDee) taking into Elvis accent/pronouncement sounds different to some. JMHO ETA for all I know it possible they call him Davey? but JD sounds reasonable to me.

And as far as the writing on the wall, as someone else mentioned it was spoken about a ways back.
There is also this meaning for JEVI which we do not know who/when or why was on that wall.

Jevi is a Dominican slang that means excellent, or awesome, or cool https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jevi

But how would a bunch of white kids with no apparent contact with the dominican culture would know that? It would make sense to me if they attended school, but since they didn't, it doesn't quite make sense to me. It's an interesting idea though. Thanks for sharing.

 

[bears10]

But how would a bunch of white kids with no apparent contact with the dominican culture would know that? It would make sense to me if they attended school, but since they didn't, it doesn't quite make sense to me. It's an interesting idea though. Thanks for sharing.

I agree, I don’t think they have much knowledge of Dominican culture. It could also mean “heavy” but they didn’t know how to spell heavy correctly.

Eta - couldn’t it also be from trespassers? It’s not uncommon for people to break into abandoned homes imo.

 

[SkipperKey3]

I agree, I don’t think they have much knowledge of Dominican culture. It could also mean “heavy” but they didn’t know how to spell heavy correctly.

Eta - couldn’t it also be from trespassers? It’s not uncommon for people to break into abandoned homes imo.

Yes, it could be the result of transient / trespasser graffiti. There really is no way to tell, just by looking at the picture, what the origin was, or even if it was drawn all at one time or added on to over a length of time. There is a fair possibility that it at least originated from one or more of the residents, but there is certainly nothing to substantiate that. There are just too many unknowns to make any definitive conclusions about that drawing.

 

[SATA]

RBBM. Son #2 first and middle initials are J. D. It is very possible that he is called JD by his family. And if JD is what was said (JayDee) taking into Elvis accent/pronouncement sounds different to some. JMHO ETA for all I know it possible they call him Davey? but JD sounds reasonable to me.

And as far as the writing on the wall, as someone else mentioned it was spoken about a ways back.
There is also this meaning for JEVI which we do not know who/when or why was on that wall.

Jevi is a Dominican slang that means excellent, or awesome, or cool https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jevi

It´s son 1#.

 

[Cafemalyn]

It´s son 1#.

Yes, son #1 is child #2. Switching from general birth order to gender birth order can cause confusion.

There are 3 sons and the first son (initials JD) is the second child. The fourth child is also a son, so son #2 is child #4. The third son is child #9.

(Child#3 is daughter #2, child#5 is daughter #3 and so forth.)

 

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by bohemianish View Post
My first post. I tried to read through the previous threads, and eventually hit a mental overload point. So please forgive me if this has already been discussed:

The siblings’ names are known from the charging doc (which lists first three letters of each name) and from the online obituary.
Obit:http://www.engleshookfuneralhome.com/guestbook/1146841
Charging doc:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RUP...oY8o80d9V/view

Now, here’s a full video of one of the vow renewals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tb4ZBbvcrc
Skip ahead to 28:50.

Elvis invites the three sons onto the stage. He says the names of sibling #4 and sibling #9, and the names he says correspond to the charging doc and obituary. Then he asks sibling #2 what his name is… and the response sounds like “Javey”. Elvis repeats it back, and it again sounds like “Javey”.

According to the charging doc and obituary, sibling #2’s name is not one that could reasonably be nicknamed to Javey. But… remember that large bulleye drawing on the wall of one of the former homes? There’s a name written on the wall next to the drawing, which looks like “Jevi”.

Drawing: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/at...3&d=1517029544

Has this already been noticed/discussed? What do y’all make of this?

(Edited to fix formatting errors).

Quote Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
RBBM. Son #2 first and middle initials are J. D. It is very possible that he is called JD by his family. And if JD is what was said (JayDee) taking into Elvis accent/pronouncement sounds different to some. JMHO ETA for all I know it possible they call him Davey? but JD sounds reasonable to me.

And as far as the writing on the wall, as someone else mentioned it was spoken about a ways back.
There is also this meaning for JEVI which we do not know who/when or why was on that wall.

Jevi is a Dominican slang that means excellent, or awesome, or cool https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jevi

It´s son 1#.

I was incorrect in saying son #2 I meant sibling #2 as in the post I quoted. I was unable to edit.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Yes, son #1 is child #2. Switching from general birth order to gender birth order can cause confusion.

There are 3 sons and the first son (initials JD) is the second child. The fourth child is also a son, so son #2 is child #4. The third son is child #9.

(Child#3 is daughter #2, child#5 is daughter #3 and so forth.)

Correct and the orig post said sibling #2 which would be the oldest son. I was incorrect and typed son #2 instead of sibling #2. But was unable to edit. But Sibling #2 is JD

 

[claudianunes]

Nobody was able to find birth records of the kids?