CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #4

[Deleted member 158085]

This has been running through my mind as well. Also how did she know to use the cell phone to call 911? Do deactivated phones just automatically dial 911 when someone tries to make a call.

That is certainly one amazingly brace girl!

When you try to make a call on a deactivated phone, a message pops up saying that you only emergency 911 calls are allowed.

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[Niseyg123]

Ok. So just watched 20/20. I take back anything I previously said about Louise being brainwashed by David. Still may be some of that, but now that I have the little bit of family history, chances are good, imo, that she has a little bit Jodi Arias in her personality. Very Borderline Personality-y like. *shivers* want to know more about him. She was hell bent on having her way as a kid as it seemed, which was only reinforced when her father married her off/let her marry young to prevent extramarital sex [emoji849][emoji849]. I don't mean to be offensive to religious people and their belief systems, but psychologically and developmentally speaking, this is a disaster. Louise learns that the only rules that matter are the ones that matter to Louise, and she assumes life roles a 15 year old is not adequately prepared for. #facepalm ok. Sorry. That's the marriage/ family therapist and human behavior specialist in me. I could delve much further into these dynamics but will just leave it at given all that this family disaster is of no surprise. Now. I need more info on David to put all the how did this situation develop together.
Where are family members of his? Not speaking out I don't guess. Yea


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[theirmommy]

I've posted a rudimentary timeline on the Media and Timeline thread for this case. Not perfect, but helped me tie in the media info with data from the Bankruptcy filing and the estimates of when each of the survivors was born (thank you to the sleuthers who worked on that!). Will try and go back and improve the citations, but have to go run errands first.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...se-Case-NO-DISCUSSION&p=13878471#post13878471

Just hitting the “thanks” button isn’t enough.

Thank you very much for this.


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[Niseyg123]

Ugh. I knew he would be exploiting this situation!


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Of course he would! [emoji849]


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[Deleted member 158085]

My impression was that the pictures were probably taken with and on the phone she used to call 911 with. It sounds like she knew she would have to have proof. So she took pictures as evidence. That's my guess anyway. I kinda doubt that the parents had any incriminating pictures around the house.

The fact that she brought proof makes me believe they had tried to tell someone before and weren't believed.

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[editedit]

Animal control officers will inspect residences to determine whether the home is suitable for the dogs. Because this work will be carried out by local animal control officers, only Perris residents may apply.

http://beta.latimes.com/local/lanow...is-couple-20180119-story.html#nt=oft07a-17gp1


So you can homeschool in cali and not be checked but for dog adoptions your home will be inspected.

Btw not against home schooling.

They're supposed to perform a fire inspection on Sandcastle Day School but someone dropped the ball there.

I've volunteered with multiple county animal shelters along the CA coast. Home inspection policies are up to the shelter. So if anything, good on the Riverside County shelter system for performing home checks! I'd have to say I'm surprised they do - Riverside is not exactly considered a nice place where I'm from.

When we were going off to college, other kids would often refer to UC Riverside as "Dankside" and not the "good" kind of dank that refers to strong marijuana. Also we'd wish luck on whoever was going to UCR as in "don't get shot!"

2020 mentioned Perris, CA is known for sky diving. When I was looking for a dog years ago a lot of breeders were in Perris. I'm not sure what attracts them to the area. It's relatively cheap to live there and kind of middle-of-nowhere as far as Southern California goes. $350k for 2,400 sq ft is unheard of outside of tract housing and planned developments.

 

[Dogface]

The only thing I can think of is allowing him to attend the class (a Music class from what I have read) may have been a reward for something

Possibly it was a way to get student loan money?


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[KaaBoom]

"Research into the journals likely will have to wait until the Turpins' criminal case is resolved, and only if the writings are released to academics, Pennebaker said.

In the meantime, the journals will also have tremendous value for the criminal investigation, even though they may not be admissable as evidence in a courtroom, said Laurie Levenson, a criminal law expert at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.

Investigators who are attempting to interview the children, a delicate process, could start with the journals, asking about entries that imply abuse, Levenson said. Additionally, if either of the parents were to testify in their own defense, prosecutors could use the journals to cross-examine them.

And finally, if any of the children testify, they could use the journals to refresh their memory on witness stand, much the way a police officer reviews a report before testifying about an old crime, she said.

“You can’t cross examine a journal, you have to cross examine the children, but they are a still a good starting point," Levenson said. "And frankly, they may be enough to persuade a defendant that they don’t want to go through a long trial here.”"

I would think the journals will eventually be released back to the owners of the journals, after the case is over. I agree they will be valuable for the investigation. I doubt they contain much value to researchers. But if any research into them is done, I believe it will have to be done with the permission of the children who wrote the journal, IMHO.

 

[epiphany]

In the ABC 20/20 Show, LT's sister describes how whenever she took a shower locking the bathroom door behind her, LT would use a wire hanger to open the door.

At that point, LT had about 4 children she said, so LT would have been still young. Yet, her sister states LT would sit in the bathroom with her husband insisting that she come out of the shower completely naked. I got the impression she was implying without a towel.

As a couple, they had already begun exploring & experimenting with some twisted fantasies imo

 

[ZoriahNZ]

David's family members are having mixed reactions.

Betty and James Turpin, the grandparents are in deep denial. Don't even want to believe the news LE reports.

http://time.com/5103920/perris-california-children-shackled-turpin/

“We don’t believe anything until we find definite proof,” Betty Turpin, 81, told TIME on Tuesday. “It’s just a one-sided story. You can’t always go with that.”

http://https://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-hostages-parents/california-parents-accused-of-starving-shackling-children-tried-to-seem-normal-idUSKBN1F607J

David Turpin’s parents, James and Betty Turpin of West Virginia, told ABC News their son was a computer engineer who graduated from Virginia Tech. They said the family was deeply religious, homeschooling the children and requiring them to memorize long passages from the Bible.

Randy, DT's brother is a leader of a Pentecostal organization and he is asking for privacy while they deal with this awful news.

They may be related to King Turpin. There's info available on google.

 

[Peculiar]

So that would make 4 sons in that picture....

There is no fourth son. That boy is David Turpin's nephew.

 

[JaxFlaGal]

I've tweaked the timeline in the media thread a bit. Thank you PoirotryInMotion, Taula&Sierra for your add’l info!
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...se-Case-NO-DISCUSSION&p=13879753#post13879753

 

[Niseyg123]

I'm really thinking that someone in the media misunderstood something and is jumping the gun about plans to already place the kids in foster care. It's way too soon. The way medical experts were describing in interviews how precarious the "refeeding" process is in a case of severe starvation and malnourishment like this, I just don't think 1 week in a hospital is nearly enough time. From what I read, they can't do it too fast because otherwise the patient can actually go into shock and DIE. It hasn't even been a week since the kids were rescued. They were bringing them back slowly with IV fluids, then gradually solid food. They have to very slowly increase the calorie intake. And considering how weak the kids must have been and muscle wasting, they probably couldn't even walk right. So even when the nutrition is stabilized and their digestive system starts working again, they would likely need physical therapy to even walk right. A neurologist would have to evaluate how severe the neuropathy is. All of this takes time. And there are 13 kids. In 1 week? There's just no way.

I'm betting that someone misheard something. Maybe the kids are showing some improvement and they're being moved to a different area of the hospital? Maybe they think that they might be able to be moved to another facility for physical rehabilitation? My impression from everything I heard about the kids when they were found, and from what doctors were saying is that they were in very severe condition and some were close to death. They seemed especially worried about the 29 year old girl. I fully expected them to be in the hospital for WEEKS. Plural.

They probably are still in the hospital, but perhaps have identified an appropriate foster placement for when they are discharged. They will only stay in the hospital until they are physically and mentally stable (i.e. Not suicidal) and things like physical therapy and even some neurological therapies will be done on an outpatient or home based basis. For that they will need a legal Guardian. I have a friend who is a foster parent and many would be surprised at just how fast placements are made. Just think about how many seemingly major
Surgeries are outpatient these days. They do not hospitalize people for any longer than absolutely necessary and sometimes even less than necessary unfortunately! After they are in a stable physiological condition, the sooner these kids can get into a better home like social environment the better!


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[watergirl62]

This was requested a few times pages back but I think I've missed a response.

Can someone please get shots of the Riverside Court documents? Upload here or elsewhere and link that?

Riverside courts won't load for me in any browser even with updated settings and VPN software. I've been trying since charges were filed. I can access other courts/jurisdictions but not Riverside.

The complaint document with all the charges? Try to download it from here.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RUPpC-zwgDidg6AnP5bd1MioY8o80d9V/view?usp=drivesdk

 

[Abp5]

The fact that she brought proof makes me believe they had tried to tell someone before and weren't believed.

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I thought the exact same thing. It is sad that she would need to prove herself. It also makes me wonder if whoever escaped several years ago told the police officer but wasn’t believed. It makes me very sad.

 

[Rocco]

In the ABC 20/20 Show, LT's sister describes how whenever she took a shower locking the bathroom door behind her, LT would use a wire hanger to open the door.

At that point, LT had about 4 children she said, so LT would have been still young. Yet, her sister states LT would sit in the bathroom with her husband insisting that she come out of the shower completely naked. I got the impression she was implying without a towel.

As a couple, they had already begun exploring & experimenting with some twisted fantasies imo

That's her latest story about the shower incident. That wasn't her original story. Much like the other stories she's been telling. She has no credibility.

 

[Abp5]

David's family members are having mixed reactions.

Betty and James Turpin, the grandparents are in deep denial. Don't even want to believe the news LE reports.

http://time.com/5103920/perris-california-children-shackled-turpin/



http://https://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-hostages-parents/california-parents-accused-of-starving-shackling-children-tried-to-seem-normal-idUSKBN1F607J





Randy, DT's brother is a leader of a Pentecostal organization and he is asking for privacy while they deal with this awful news.

They may be related to King Turpin. There's info available on google.

King Turpin Jr is/was DT grandfather according to the obit posted for DT grandmother. There is a book written by RT and extensive family tree/blog online. There is even a FB group for King Turpin Jr descendants. The extended families seem deep rooted in religion but there have been several comments that DT and LT had abandoned their religion.

 

[Spellbound]

Has anyone seen the unblurredx picture of them all at DL in front of the castle?
who is the male child standing directly to the left of DT?

The boy with the dark hair, similar style? It’s a cousin .... his father is over further to his left next to the survivor with goasses.

 

[nyvictoria]

IMO These siblings need to be shielded from all extended family for now. Too much denial. Too many changing stories.


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[epiphany]

That's her latest story about the shower incident. That wasn't her original story. Much like the other stories she's been telling. She has no credibility.

What was the original story about the shower?

I thought very similar, but she did not include her sister in it.