CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #4

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One of the daughters has been reported to drive. I think it is possible that when she left the house she may of been given a cell phone so they could follow her through GPS. Also they may of showed her how to place a call to them. Our police cars around here have call 911 on them.
I do think they took the phone from her once she returned, but knew where they put it.
 
It's a weird mix. I see behaviors that appear both religious influenced and non. LT at the least seems to have come from a messed up but nonetheless very religious family. Pastor father, very religious sister. The large family size, patriarchal system, homeschooling and marrying young are all consistent with that Quiverful type of deal.
But on the other side, there are inconsistencies. The Disney, the clothing choices (skull and crossbones on a top? Can't see a fundamentalist Christian woman wearing that.)
If LT and DT were in any way religious, it clearly became distorted and subnormal over time. I wouldn't entirely discount a messed up religious influence yet though, at least for the early years of their marriage.

The sister said on 20/20 they left their Pentecostal upbringing and explored Catholicism and Mormonism and something else and kind of developed their own religion


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From local ABC7 reporter fb page:



https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=990003047831565&id=342534599245083
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On the subject of that second picture. Why are people leaving all that trash on the front lawn? It's not like the kids are going to be there anytime soon, to see it. I wish I could understand the mentality of the people who do that. What do they think they are accomplishing?
 
Ok. So just watched 20/20. I take back anything I previously said about Louise being brainwashed by David. Still may be some of that, but now that I have the little bit of family history, chances are good, imo, that she has a little bit Jodi Arias in her personality. Very Borderline Personality-y like. *shivers* want to know more about him. She was hell bent on having her way as a kid as it seemed, which was only reinforced when her father married her off/let her marry young to prevent extramarital sex [emoji849][emoji849]. I don't mean to be offensive to religious people and their belief systems, but psychologically and developmentally speaking, this is a disaster. Louise learns that the only rules that matter are the ones that matter to Louise, and she assumes life roles a 15 year old is not adequately prepared for. #facepalm ok. Sorry. That's the marriage/ family therapist and human behavior specialist in me. I could delve much further into these dynamics but will just leave it at given all that this family disaster is of no surprise. Now. I need more info on David to put all the how did this situation develop together.
Where are family members of his? Not speaking out I don't guess. Yea


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After I watched the 20/20 show, I thought of Jodi Arias, too. LT has "button eyes" just like JA. LT had the button eyes in the childhood photos, the original wedding photos, and all through the arraignment clips. The lights are not on in there.
 
My guess is that LT wanted to leave home at 16, presumably due to s.a. from a relative or family friend. DT, from that point on, was her rescuer and lifelong protector. Although they both probably wanted a large family, and LT maybe has an overly optimistic view of having a young baby, she doesn't seem to have been a capable parent, probably lost interest as the babies grew older and it might have been a cross between children who aren't really interacted with properly but also expected to keep quiet all the time, and I think that with her focus always on a baby that she probably couldn't 'control' the children very well, especially when DT was at work -- though I would question how much of a father he ever was when he was home from work.

So I imagine a scenario where LT has reached the end of her tether, they've already made the decision to keep the children inside (to protect them from the outside world with its dangers of 'wordly' things? and also probably in part to hide the earlier neglect and protect themselves from outside interference in how they chose to live?) but at some point the older children needing (in their minds) to be kept quiet, kept from raiding the fridge, I envisage LT breaking down and DT seeing this like an engineering problem...solution is to bind the most lively children to their beds, in part as punishment for 'bad behavior' and in part as a fix to a perceived problem. That may have led to locking the children in their rooms and not even bothering to unlock the door to feed the children or let them use the bathroom.

With 15 people in the home I guess hot water might have become an issue and so the earliest answer might have been to ban daily showers. I would think that the restrictions on washing only their hands and not past the wrist would have started as a water-saving measure? Possibly due to LT's own childhood, maybe she associated controlling children with parenting them and loving them? Parents will often tell a child that rules and lack of choices for a child is down to the parent loving them, but in a very strict household, and where there might also be abuse of a child, that lesson will sink in in a different way, and maybe be understood in a twisted way compared to how we'd normally think of it.

I think whoever said that the religious aspect of this is more about the 'cult of LT and DT' has it spot on. I think they've both likely grown up with very strict religious backgrounds, and maybe LT in particular was trying in part to keep the things that she perceived as good, but also to rebel from it and insert the things she felt were good...such of the fantasy of Disney and stories of young women with rubbish lives meeting their prince charming and living happily ever after. Sweet stories that don't really touch on adult topics. Safe stories. So I think they've borrowed aspects of organized religion --the Bible, letting God choose the size of one's family, conservative clothing, etc -- and then added in their own things that are just personal happy things for them, like Disney and Elvis, and it didn't matter to them whether those things would be religiously sanctioned, and maybe if they're not religiously sanctioned it's even more important as it's a part of the rebellion and the building of their own 'cultic regime'.

In the 70s I was a bridesmaid and wore a similar dress to those plaid ones. Mine was white in a satiny-fabric, and I was four years old. I think in some respects LT is pulling out some happy things from her own childhood and trying to incorporate them into this weird groundhog day existence, like recreating the original wedding that marked her escape. I don't think from LT and DT's perspective that DT was kidnapping LT, I think that was her parents' perspective. I think from LT/DT perspective she was being rescued and that wedding day and starting their own family was the happiest time of their lives...they just didn't know how to move on from there, didn't have the faith that it could still be good if you let kids grow up properly and allow the kids access to a dangerous outside world. So I think it's been a slide down, punctuated by events that forced even more extreme measures to be taken to protect what they'd built and to stop the fantasy collapsing in on itself completely.

I have two thoughts, one is 'how to boil a frog' and the other is about being backed into a corner. If you raise the temperature of the water a frog is in very slowly it won't be able to tell how much hotter the water has got, and will stay until it boils. Sometimes people don't start off 100% evil, they just take steps on a ladder, and each step might not be that far from the last. But if you combine that with being backed into a corner, your options become fewer each step you take, and so there's a combination of each step making the next not seem so extreme as if you looked at it as an A-Z leap, but also that the options are reducing each time a step is taken, and you can't go backwards, so you keep going forwards or sideways, but always digging a deeper hole, and each step makes it harder to get out of that hole, just like being stuck in a corner with reduced options.

I'm so sorry for the length of my posts in this thread.

Please don't apologize. I, for one, am impressed with the depth of your analyses in trying to understand how this horror could have evolved.
 
Yea. I agree. The Turpin's stepped away from a very restrictive religion. That's not why they did this. I just finished watching the 20/20 episode and I realize now that Louise is probably more guilty in all this than maybe even David. Haven't figured him out at all yet. I have a psychology and human behavior degree and the mom's history very much fits the profile of someone with borderline personality disorder. My ex sister in law has it and it is not managed. She is psychologically abusive to my niece who is somewhat intellectually disabled. In the 20-20 Louise's sister talking about how the kids were locked in their rooms for hours at a time made me immediately think of my sis in law. My bro in law and his current wife have been fighting for full custody forever. It's a constant battle tho b/c the state of TX is a "mother's state" and it takes something monumental to get the state to relinquish full custody to fathers regardless of they ability to provide appropriate care. It's sad. Mind control is hard to prove especially when the only witness is a disabled 13 year old who has been brainwashed by mommy dearest. Louise very much reminds me of her.


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Interesting...i can see that. I work at a psych unit and one of the residents is bpd


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This msm report covers a Facebook post purportedly made by a 3rd grade classmate of the eldest Turpin daughter:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1794214393922445&id=1028503060493586

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Very heartbreaking and she was only in 3rd grade at that point.

So there's no record of CPS being called in to investigate bc certainly the teacher/s would have reported this?

Why wasn't this followed through by CPS or the equivalent?

Also, I'm sure when the parents were called in about the child's lack of cleanliness, this led to their decision to "homeschool."
 
Perhaps the word "sibling" should be used instead of "thing" - such a dehumanising term and we are normalising it by using it here. I know why it started being used here and I know no one means any offence, which is why I am not quoting anyone, but the language we are using to talk about this family is really important.
I cringe every time I see them described that way.
 
Very heartbreaking and she was only in 3rd grade at that point.

So there's no record of CPS being called in to investigate bc certainly the teacher/s would have reported this?

Why wasn't this followed through by CPS or the equivalent?

Also, I'm sure when the parents were called in about the child's lack of cleanliness, this led to their decision to "homeschool."

I do wonder about that. It's possible that no-one called CPS, and it's also possible that CPS was called but her case was triaged out. If CPS was overwhelmed, they might have thought "she's only thin, dirty and smelly, but no broken bones, she has clothes, there are so many other more urgent cases..." CPS is overwhelmed in most areas.

And if CPS wasn't called, despite mandated reporters, it could be that "this is a nice, middle-class family, we don't want to make trouble..." or even "I can call, but nothing will be done and it will be the worse for the child" which, alas, seems to have been the case.
 
IMHO I think this picture is LT at age 18-20. The skin on her hands looks to me like someone very young. I think it's a picture of her in the early years of marriage before she had children because she created that page LR after she was married. It is likely a favorite photo of hers that she has kept through all her moves or something she found on a Facebook friends page and uploaded from there, maybe DT created the account, I do not know.

Look at the sign on the wall, idkw it strikes my oddly, it's a rule and here she is unwittingly posing in front of it

She is definitely in her late 30s-mid 40s in this pic. Her body might look fit, but the wrinkles and fine lines on the face are not consistent with a teenager/20 something.
 
The only thing I can think of is allowing him to attend the class (a Music class from what I have read) may have been a reward for something
I think it was so he could eventually provide financial support for them. Those two monsters only care about themselves. I don't think the kids ever got any true rewards.

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She looks really thin and proud of it in that photo. And the date is around two years before her last baby was born.

There is a photo of a very pregnant LT standing in front of a very nice crib. She's wearing a mickey mouse t shirt that has mickey's hands reaching towards her belly. From what can be seen of the room- wall and floor -they are clean.

Does anyone wonder about the possibility of her pregnant again?

I noticed that in the photo of just Dl and LT at disney, his hand looks like it's just laying on top of hers.

So, new wedding rings with each redo? That would be four sets of rings.
 
Does anyone have a link to the msm and not the Facebook link. It won't come up for me.

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I don't, unfortunately. I only found it on fb. By the way, tapatalk doesn't like links sometimes. I have to copy and paste links instead of just tapping them (I think it's facebook links with a ? in them)

PS as a side note, in the post directly below the one with the news story, the reporter shares the original fb post that the story is based on: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1793950093948875&id=1028503060493586
 
Taken me days to catch up. Just a couple of thoughts since the DVD collection pictures were posted.
1) The kids didn't know what a police officer was but the parents had full sets of "Everybody Loves Raymond" videos where Raymond's brother is a cop. Of course the sister who lived with the family did say the children were not allowed to watch tv.
2) Given the immaculate shelving and alphabetizing of the DVD collection - I am making a leap here but I would bet those are DT's videos. If he is an engineer (who might or might not be on the spectrum) he most likely would prefer order and structure. The juxtaposition of the DVD collection and the carpets and walls of the old house got me wondering.
3) I highly suspect there is a sexual component to this in conjunction with the torture. Would LT want to keep the children filthy so they would be less "alluring" to DT? She appears to keep herself clean and even the 2 year old.
4) I am guessing that the kids were allowed some sort of normalcy up to the age of maybe 3 or 4 (possibly up to age 7) as some have language skills, and have been taught some "manners" under the guise of deferring to the parent.
5) How did the 17 year old know that a deactivated cell phone could (take pictures?) be used to call 911? Could the older brother who attended a college class have heard or seen something while he was allowed out of the home? If the children did not have access to the outside world (via computer, telephone, television, schooling, playing with neighbors, shopping, attending events other than Disney with parents) just having that tidbit of info must have felt so empowering. They would have had to find a charger to make sure the deactivated phone would have power.

1. I believe that SOME of the children did not know what a police officer is. The youngest is two years old, so that is not particularly surprising.

5. The phone could have displayed information that only 911 calls could be made. All phones have to be able to call 911, regardless of the status of the service.
 
I was severely abused by my mother who had crazy eyes like LT. I went to a lot of therapy and came to understand that she had the emotional maturity of a 3-year old and loved babies as long as they were like dolls. She kept having babies, but mostly had a lot of miscarriages and one "still" birth or maybe I would have 12 siblings instead of 4. Her childhood, especially at the age of 3, was extremely traumatic.

My mother wanted to be somebody and we were her minions in her search for that standing in the community that she wanted. She would choose all my clothes until I got a job and could buy my own. She would beat me literally bloody and then wrap me in her arms and tell me how much she loved me and how I made her so angry she hurt me by being a bad person..She would abandon all of us..

When I was ten and she came home from the hospital crying that her baby had died, I actually had no clue that she was pregnant. My dad was an electrician and he stayed away and drank a lot and later I learned that he was schizophrenic. My mother was diagnosed as borderline.

These people are damaged children creating more damaged children. I haven't commented here until now, when I read something about LT wanting another baby, and it all came crashing in on me.

Oh, and, I escaped by way of public school and a National Merit Scholarship. I was in therapy for 40 years and then still with major problems I got into a therapy called EMDR. It's for people with PTSD and my wish for these kids is that they can get the effective kind of help that EMDR gave me. I am no longer in therapy, but I did six and a half years of 90 minutes a week to become a pretty healthy person.
 
I do wonder about that. It's possible that no-one called CPS, and it's also possible that CPS was called but her case was triaged out. If CPS was overwhelmed, they might have thought "she's only thin, dirty and smelly, but no broken bones, she has clothes, there are so many other more urgent cases..." CPS is overwhelmed in most areas.

And if CPS wasn't called, despite mandated reporters, it could be that "this is a nice, middle-class family, we don't want to make trouble..." or even "I can call, but nothing will be done and it will be the worse for the child" which, alas, seems to have been the case.

I taught in a local public school in the 90’s. There was an overwhelming amount of abuse being brought to light. The CPS in my area was extremely overworked and understaffed. I reported several cases during my years at one particular school. It would take weeks for anything to be done and many times, if a more pressing case was reported, it was dropped all together.

There was one little boy that was repeatedly scalded with visable scars and multiple fresh burn marks a week. When he was finally removed from the home (after multiple reports) he was placed with the grandmother who lived in the neighboring apartment and returned to the parents the very next day. This was very typical of reported cases in my school. I left to have my daughter at the end of that year and never knew what happened to him.

It is very possible that DT/LT moved before they could be investigated or that CPS just didn’t have adequate staff to investigate. Those years still haunt me. There are no words to describe what it is like to put a child on the bus KNOWING they are being abused and no one is doing anything to stop it.
 
Something bugging me.
I have read that the journals and education levels were about first grade so forth. So, makes me wonder about the one shower a year comments. Did the one stating this have the concept of time? Lots of questions regarding what been released.
I think they may have bathed from time to time. Like perhaps been able to wash up with a wash cloth or something, periodically.

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