CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #5

[Pug09]

Wouldn't neighbors or delivery person/mail carriers be able to smell the awful house from the outside? I made many home visits as a social worker, and some places can be smelled from the street. Makes me wonder why no one reported the Turpins just on that alone.

That’s disgusting and absolutely terrible! I would hope someone would’ve reported them if that were the case.

 

[SandyQLS]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-na-perris-texas-20180120-story.html

Los Angeles Times, January 21, 2018, reporting from Rio Vista, TX

"...It did not appear the couple had been reported previously to authorities in Texas, where records show they also lived in Fort Worth from 1990 to 1999.

On Saturday, Patrick Crimmins, a spokesman for the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, said they did not have any reports or investigations concerning the Turpin family. ..."

The rest of the article info already posted/known. No mention of cadaver dog search.

 

[Niseyg123]

It’s hard keeping up with these threads on this so I’ll just echo the horror of everyone that I too am feeling reading all of this.

What really strikes me is the stated “shock” and “anger” by family members of both LT and DT. How is it that a grandchild, a niece, a nephew, a cousin, is able to grow into adulthood and you don’t pick up on the fact something is really wrong? Like really really really wrong? Wouldn’t you wonder where do they go to school, where do they work (since adults), any boyfriends, girlfriends, friends, trips, sports, interests? They had to have known something was wrong, how could they not, and while I don’t expect the extent of the horrors was suspected, there had to have at least been a nagging sensation that something was wrong. It’s just really sad how much these kids were failed on so many levels and from so many directions. I’m not blaming anyone other than the two monsters responsible because who could possibly suspect the depravity, but it certainly should be a lesson to us all. Pay attention to the signs.


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They don't notice because they themselves are very often dysfunctional. Both of these families come from strong fundamentalist Christian backgrounds where children should tow the line, and be seen but not heard. I think for the grandparents the kids being so orderly and obedient meant DT and LT were doing the right thing parenting wise. The part that is odd though is the lack of contact and flat out being told not to come visit. I don't care who you are or what your background is, unless you've been a strange for numerous years due to conflict, this should raise a red flag.


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[RAISINISBACK]

I keep coming back to the notion that LT wanted to keep the children filthy to make them less appealing to DT. The mention of DT watching LT's sister shower (whether he unlocked the door or LT did) gives me the thought that he was attracted to cleanliness and order. LT appears to have been able to keep that for herself, the youngest child and of course DT. We know that he was attracted to a 16 year old when he was an adult - could this be fear that he will like one of the girls more than LT because of age and the appeal of looking like a 12 year old boy? Could the punishment be more than just power and control and subservience?

Or maybe she caught him watching one of the daughters in the shower, ergo only one shower a year that she could supervise.

JMO

 

[Abp5]

How do you know that? And where did you get that info? Lol so random

It was in one of the interviews, I think. I saw it as well. They interviewed the waiter or something. He said she would come in frequently and a few times she would have a couple of the girls with her.

 

[Niseyg123]

Thanks. Have to say, from looking at the wedding videos, he looked like a bit of a wimp to me. What do you make of the lewd advance he made on one of the children?

Agree re: wimpy but he also looks angry and resentful--not surprising tho if LT really is a dictator. I think tho, he's more complicit than that. He's not innocent by any means... just don't have enough info about him or his background to make a true judgement call at this point. Re: the lewd act-- I keep seeing this mentioned here, but haven't seen any information explaining it or how it came about. I did see the article that explained what the criminal charge meant in CA, but beyond that have heard nothing of what led them to charge him with that. I didn't really get started in here till thread #4 so may have missed this. If you have more information where that is concerned, please pass along.


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[wenwe4]

I watched the 20.20 special On Demand.
They also stated the home schools often place an utmost authority on rules and compliance, These parents are "Control Freaks" of the highest order, giving new definition to those words. They grew to forbid the children to have any contact with the outside world, because if they did, they would not be able to control them. David's demeanor has been described as "threatening" although quiet. It is even surprising that one of the kids was allowed to attend community college classes, while Louise waited . . . .

I believe that these children were terrified of communicating in saying or doing the wrong thing, because if their parents found out they would be severely abused. I would like open a question for the community. Why do you believe that the neighbors, either from Texas, or California, never called the police or social services earlier, despite seeing such bizarre behaviors?

It was awesome on 20/20 showing the medical center with the community donations of toys and games for the kids! Even better was that they met medical staff who showed kindness and compassion for them! Any new updates on how the kids are doing?

Satch

I have been wondering about those journals. It is interesting that they allowed the children to write in them, but in retrospect it may have just been another way to control the children's every thought. Parents would most likely read everything written and critique them.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

No! Not confirmed!
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Homicide detectives are considering sending cadaver dogs into the David and Louise's house of horrors, according to a new report.
Riverside County Sheriff's Homicide Detectives want to see if there were other children who might not have survived, Syndicated news show Crime Watch Daily reports.
Citing sources familiar with the investigation, the show is also reporting that the detectives may want to order DNA testing on the 13 Turpin siblings, seven adults and six children to confirm that they are related. This information was not confirmed by the Sheriff's Department.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ouse-Horrors-investigation.html#ixzz54qvGrYgW
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BBM

A thought just occurred to me. Maybe LE is thinking one or two of those kids do not belong to the couple. That maybe one or two of them could be missing children from TX or CA that have been kidnapped by the T's.

Just speculation on my part, not fact.

 

[Leila]

I watched the 20.20 special On Demand. The thing that I remember among others is that the Home School specialist said that the issue was not home schooling itself, but when people use Home Schooling to cover up evil, illegal activities in their home. I would hope that out of this, California legislation is passed to require stricter licensing and inspections of Home Schools. There are great Home Schools and horrible home schools.

They also stated the home schools often place an utmost authority on rules and compliance, These parents are "Control Freaks" of the highest order, giving new definition to those words. They grew to forbid the children to have any contact with the outside world, because if they did, they would not be able to control them. David's demeanor has been described as "threatening" although quiet. It is even surprising that one of the kids was allowed to attend community college classes, while Louise waited outside the hall and took him right home afterwords.

I believe that these children were terrified of communicating in saying or doing the wrong thing, because if their parents found out they would be severely abused. I would like open a question for the community. Why do you believe that the neighbors, either from Texas, or California, never called the police or social services earlier, despite seeing such bizarre behaviors?

It was awesome on 20/20 showing the medical center with the community donations of toys and games for the kids! Even better was that they met medical staff who showed kindness and compassion for them! Any new updates on how the kids are doing?

Satch

Excellent question. I've lived in several neighborhoods and in each there's never been a question about a particular neighbor. We've known all the neighbors, at least to say 'hello' to, and have known their children. We've never known a situation where we were concerned about a neighbor's children. So, it's a difficult question to answer. I would suspect that some people don't want to be seen as being 'nosy.'

Do you know of anywhere online where I can see the 20/20 video?

 

[Jo in Calif]

Agree re: wimpy but he also looks angry and resentful--not surprising tho if LT really is a dictator. I think tho, he's more complicit than that. He's not innocent by any means... just don't have enough info about him or his background to make a true judgement call at this point. Re: the lewd act-- I keep seeing this mentioned here, but haven't seen any information explaining it or how it came about. I did see the article that explained what the criminal charge meant in CA, but beyond that have heard nothing of what led them to charge him with that. I didn't really get started in here till thread #4 so may have missed this. If you have more information where that is concerned, please pass along.


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Not sure if this will work, but I will try.

http://www.riverside.courts.ca.gov/media/Turpin Complaint.pdf

 

[gitana1]

https://crimewatchdaily.com/2018/01...-with-torture-child-abuse-false-imprisonment/

This is where cadaver dogs statement originated. Not sure if this is considered MSM but Chris Hansen is fairly well-known reporter. He was the one who had the show, “To Catch a Predator”


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I think if those kids had made ANY mention of missing/dead siblings we would see diggers and much more activity at various sites they lived at.

Seems like the older kids were much more at risk of death than babies or toddlers by these creatures.

 

[Abp5]

I watched the 20.20 special On Demand. The thing that I remember among others is that the Home School specialist said that the issue was not home schooling itself, but when people use Home Schooling to cover up evil, illegal activities in their home. I would hope that out of this, California legislation is passed to require stricter licensing and inspections of Home Schools. There are great Home Schools and horrible home schools.

They also stated the home schools often place an utmost authority on rules and compliance, These parents are "Control Freaks" of the highest order, giving new definition to those words. They grew to forbid the children to have any contact with the outside world, because if they did, they would not be able to control them. David's demeanor has been described as "threatening" although quiet. It is even surprising that one of the kids was allowed to attend community college classes, while Louise waited outside the hall and took him right home afterwords.

I believe that these children were terrified of communicating in saying or doing the wrong thing, because if their parents found out they would be severely abused. I would like open a question for the community. Why do you believe that the neighbors, either from Texas, or California, never called the police or social services earlier, despite seeing such bizarre behaviors?

It was awesome on 20/20 showing the medical center with the community donations of toys and games for the kids! Even better was that they met medical staff who showed kindness and compassion for them! Any new updates on how the kids are doing?

Satch

We homeschool and have for years. I am also a former teacher. We are part of a very large homeschool community (not religiously affiliated). The ‘specialists’ aren’t being accurate. What they described is not true of 99% of the families I know that homeschool. Most homeschool so that the children aren’t in a ridged/controlled environment. I am not sure where they found those ‘specialists’ but I have never heard of them and we are very involved in curriculum conventions and our state organization. That may be their opinion but it isn’t a true depiction of the majority of homeschool families that I have met in the past decade.

 

[Pug09]

I think if those kids had made ANY mention of missing/dead siblings we would see diggers and much more activity at various sites they lived at.

Seems like the older kids were much more at risk of death than babies or toddlers by these creatures.

Yeah, I completely agree. I think that would already be underway.

 

[Busyliz]

New here so don’t know how to do it myself, but any chance a more techy member could post the group pics in one post in what is assumed to be date order?

 

[Pug09]

I think if those kids had made ANY mention of missing/dead siblings we would see diggers and much more activity at various sites they lived at.

Seems like the older kids were much more at risk of death than babies or toddlers by these creatures.

Although...did you see the update in the article??

https://crimewatchdaily.com/2018/01...-with-torture-child-abuse-false-imprisonment/

UPDATE Jan. 21 2018, 12:10 p.m. PT: Sources familiar with the investigation tell Crime Watch Daily with Chris Hansen cadaver dogs may be used at every known residence of the Turpin family.

 

[Elley Mae]

'Wolfpack' family who spent years locked in apartment react to 13 captive siblings

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wolfpack-brothers-mom-spent-years-locked-nyc-apartment/story?id=52474590

“That's why it's hard to break out and why you hold back for so long and why you hold back from any kind of help that may be possible, because it's the conditioning, whether you realize it or whether you feel in your gut that it's wrong. It's very hard to break that especially when you become used to it your whole life,” Josef said.

 

[dyannaON]

Imagine how amazing it would/will feel when they can have warm, baths. ❤️. I hope they are all well.


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[Pug09]

When do you think there will be another press conference or release of info?

 

[Jasper52]

I was reading through the posts, trying to catch up once again. I was suddenly struck with the thought of Christmas, only a few weeks ago. Did they have a tree or any decorations? Did the youngest get gifts? Did the parents exchange gifts and make the kids watch? Was there any sort of holiday scticity and the kids were denied to take part? I can imagine there was some way the holiday was used as another form of torment.

It just broke me up all over again :tears:

The only thing I've seen mentioned is the Nativity scene - hey, gotta keep up appearances. Going by what LE found, i.e. kids had no toys, yet LE found brand new boxed toys within the house - I'm guessing the monsters used those to further torture them as they did with the food. jmo

A few years ago, Robert Perkins said he and his mother saw a few family members constructing a Nativity scene in the Turpins' front yard. Mr Perkins said he complimented them on it. "They didn't say a word," he said.

Source: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/mother-of-13-turpin-children-found-imprisoned-in-california-home-was-perplexed-to-see-police-arrive-a3741946.html

 

[JaneEyre]

We homeschool and have for years. I am also a former teacher. We are part of a very large homeschool community (not religiously affiliated). The ‘specialists’ aren’t being accurate. What they described is not true of 99% of the families I know that homeschool. Most homeschool so that the children aren’t in a ridged/controlled environment. I am not sure where they found those ‘specialists’ but I have never heard of them and we are very involved in curriculum conventions and our state organization. That may be their opinion but it isn’t a true depiction of the majority of homeschool families that I have met in the past decade.

I understood her to be talking specifically about the problem home schools, not homeschooling in general.

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