Shelby2
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Yes, I don't see why there's so much antagonism towards L's sister Teresa. Those weren't fake tears; she's in a state of misery. The background sexual abuse seems only too likely, and she's not presenting it as an excuse. The phasing out of contact, first in person then by Skype/phone is something she couldn't possibly have controlled. The fake "we're doing so well" stories were an effective way of blowing her off. And there's no way that she could have considered a rather seedy story of consenting-adults activity between her sister, bro-in-law and A.N. Other as in any way indicative of child abuse. She probably also feels to some extent that she needs to go to the media to defend the family from endless accusations of "they must have known". In my view, she's giving a pretty clear account of how they were prevented from knowing, and I for one feel sorry and sad for her.
There's a link in the media thread (post #13).
The charge is #13 in the complaint.
The wording is the (act alleged) took place on (a specific date in 2012) through AND INCLUDING (a specific date in 2013).
I found it interesting that the complaint included very specific dates and date range, so early in, and given the info must have been provided by a very traumatized #8 , & possibly supported by her journals?
In any case, the specificity of the dates and range excludes the possibility of it being one instance on an undetermined date.
These people never deal with what they have created. They continually start from scratch.
Get a home in good condition, simply not maintain it even in terms of basic cleaning or throwing out trash, and then abandon it and start from scratch in a new place.
Get an animal, care for it until the newness wears off and/or it becomes an adult, discard it with the home, and start from scratch with a new pet.
Have a baby, care for it until it becomes an individual separate from the mother (perhaps around the time it is no longer breastfeeding and is eating real food), discard it (probably consigning any care of it to the older ones), and start again with a new child.
Spice, what does this say, psychologically?
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I love this DA.
"They were ordered to smile and dance and clap to celebrate their torturers, to celebrate their torturers having what they were all being denied, and to do all this in the name of "love." "
Sounds like North Korea!
"Riverside County District Attorney Michael Hestrin discusses on Megyn Kelly TODAY the latest details about the horrific treatment of the 13 children who were chained to their beds and held captive inside their California home. He tells Megyn Kelly that the children are providing significant information and that he thinks theyll be witnesses in their parents trial."
From the Today show link above.
If this is the case though, my goodness where were the poor children kept during the trip cross country?
From your link (though it is the DM) WTF -
Teresa Robinette, the younger sister of California 'house of horrors' mom Louise Turpin, appeared on Megyn Kelly Today on Monday
Robinette revealed a startling conversation she had with her sister, around 2009
She says her sister called her up and told her about how her husband, David, was driving her to Alabama to have sex with a man she met online
A year later, Louise allegedly told her sister that her husband was driving her back to Alabama so they could have sex together in the same hotel room
Just to clarify. Once they pass age 19, the adult children would not be dependents unless they are in college full time (to age 26) or legally declared disabled. Since they haven't been to the dr in years, it's likely that they aren't legally defined as disabled.
It sounds to me that the oldest male took a music class at a local college. I doubt he was attending full time.
I'm thinking a bizarre sense of humor, or an inside joke. For it to be an inside joke, he'd have to have friends, though.
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ETA: Here is the pdf - it's in Count 13:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RUPpC-zwgDidg6AnP5bd1MioY8o80d9V/view
"That the above named defendant [DAT] committed a violation of Penal Code section 288...that on or about 11/16/2012 through and including 11/15/2013, in the county of Riverside, State of California, the defendant did willfully, unlawfully, and lewdly commit a lewd and lascivious act..."
(bbm)
I'm stilll thinking that is one count, a charge for one incident happening on an as yet unspecified day within that time period, but am hoping someone with legal expertise can weigh in.
So could this mean that the DA isn't willing to accept any kind of a plea deal? I really hate that the kids would have to testify, but at the same time it could be very therapeutic for them to face their parents in court.
From a selfish point of view, I want a trial. I want to hear from the parents. My brain is trying so hard to make sense out of all of this - to find some reasoning, or something that helps it makes sense. But it just doesn't compute.
Researcher here. Nope, they will not be used for research purposes. Too many ethical issues for any institution to want to even touch them, and they would not be considered to have enough value or benefit to risk harm to the subjects. The only way someone could use them is if they enter the public record. But even then, they wouldn't be considered valid data unless the researchers had access to the original sources, which, again, isn't going to happen. I don't know where you heard academics use personal journals. It's more in the context of important historic figures who have entered their notes and journals into the public record. There's always permissions and consent involved though, and in particular with vulnerable populations, minor children and those who are institutionalized or otherwise compromised. You can't just claim personal journals for research purposes without consent of the owner. I think you might be thinking of the Genie case, which happened in the early 1970s before institutional review boards and international research ethics standards were created to protect research participants particularly as a response to cases like Genie, and other children/babies, racial minority men and women, and prisoners were used as research subjects without proper consent and ethical standards of confidentiality, risk/benefit and minimization of harm being considered.
Make sure you are viewing subscribed pages and not timeline or participated pages. Easy to do on accident. Look at the banner across your tapatalk to check.Ergh tapatalk keeps taking the media links page off my followed discussions page. Can someone please give link to that again. Search not pulling it up either. [emoji36]
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I'm so far behind. I've been under the weather and had family over yesterday, but trying to catch up. The odd sense of humor. I have a bit of an odd sense of humor, I'e been told, as does a sibling. Maybe DT is Nikola Tesla fan and liked to discuss different ways of harnessing light into a new light bulb. I think that's what we also see when she, or he, cracks wise with the obgyn, back in TX, and comments that they'e missed her, and her staff, and had "no desire to reproduce" without her (loosely quoted). I'm going off track a bit, but, if you'll note, while in TX she had a child almost annually! That obgyn had to almost be like a friend.
The first child came in 1988. Then, there was a lapse. Then she had a child in
'92, '93, '95 ,'97 based on birth certs on file. Below are guesstimates by OP based on ages.
'98, '99, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006 and, finally, in 2015, the only child born in CA.
From what I've read, the children were not held captive in TX. They were kinda Free range, but kept close, though. I have a theory that mom was happy while expecting a child, and, while the new child was an infant. It seems that the shackling and starving and actual torture type of conditions, didn't begin until around 2010. This would coincide with four years and NO successful pregnancy and NO infant. DT may have gone into a huge downward spiral. Hence, the recent Vegas Vow renewals, every two years. Hoping it would spark something? It could have even been his idea, in an effort to get her amorous, and ultimately, pregnant and happy. (Weird I know, but, some women love to be pregnant. I'm not one of them though.)
It would also explain why, in 2011, when DTs parents and brother visited, the kids may have seemed thin, and somewhat small, but didn't look, like they apparently look now, 7 years later, which was horrible enough to cause hospital staff, to start weeping. The T.s could have brushed it off as allergies. I've seen some thin kids who had severe allergies.
I hope the District Attorney's office appoints a guardian ad litem for the children to represent them in any hearings. I don't know the law in this matter, but since there's adult children and minor children, there might have to be two guardians ad litem appointed.
The Corona Chamber of Commerce will deliver cards to the children at the hospital.
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