CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #6

[Leila]

No. It was a still from one of the wedding vow videos. I think there were pics that showed the kids/boys jumping in the air and some just showed pics of the kids/females with arms raised upward.
The one with the bone arm was one of the older females...possibly the oldest female.
I'll admit I didn't look very long at the picture as it was disturbing.

Is the still picture you're looking for from the long wedding vows renewal video? I have a picture of a boy and a girl with upraised arms, but they two are younger children.

 

[JaneEyre]

Honestly no need where she was, and that's open ended talk. She brought him, stayed but not inside class room and then they left. Haven't seen quotes from fellow students who gave other comments about LT sitting right outside in hall waiting.

DA wouldn't say that jmho they just give enough to go with changing counts. Kinda like probable cause affidavit, just enough evidence shy they believe whatever the SW is wanted for. Except SW is sworn. What we have been told is horrible and not making light of it. But as they stated, ongoing investigation. I don't envy them.

I'm confused. I don't understand the first sentence at all. Second sentence - no one said she was inside the classroom. You were quibbling with the idea that she was outside the classroom and suggested she was elsewhere on campus waiting. I pointed out that the language to describe her being elsewhere likely would have been different in my opinion.

I don't really understand suspecting that every single witness is telling tales and that it really wasn't as bad as multiple people are saying. It seems kind of odd to take issue with each individual account by neighbors and anyone who had contact with them.

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[kimlynn]

This is so sad and I can remember back in elementary school that there always seemed like one or two children that were not well kept or groomed well.

Kids can be very cruel to each other without realizing it was likely not even the child's fault they left their home the way they did.

Instead of kids making fun of other kids in this situation maybe things can change in schools for kids to look for ways to help a child in this situation. Its a tricky situation because likely teachers and administration would have to get involved with the parents and if it is not carefully done then more harm than good could happen.

For example the parent could get resentful and pull their child from the school to never be seen again. Or the child may get a worse "label" than they already have from the peers.

All I know is this is very important stuff and I know for sure my old schools did not teach us kids about this sort of stuff and I wish they would have.

I can still see the look of shame on the face of the girl and that bar of Ivory soap. I remember at the time feeling shock and anger on her behalf. It was very cruel,but mostly on the part of the teacher for not pulling the child aside to help her.

 

[Schatz]

Working backwards~I know I missed some posts. The name of the institution/school is Hephzibah House. It is in Warsaw/Winona Lake Indiana USA. Can I start a new thread or topic on it?

Good lord, my daughters’s dad lives in Winona Lake (and so does she on weekends.) Can’t wait to sleuth the heck out of this place.

 

[kimlynn]

Is the still picture you're looking for from the long wedding vows renewal video? I have a picture of a boy and a girl with upraised arms, but they two are younger children.

Thanks the picture was found by SBHack post # 312 on this thread.

 

[Peculiar]

Seems at least one of the teachers joined in on ostracizing the oldest child rather than figuring out why she smelled. Per an article about the Facebook post by a former classmate.

Could you provide a link with proof of this statement? I saw the Facebook post and noted nothing about a teacher joining in.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Respectfully those were different moments in time. 2001 was dog bite. Description of home when neighbor friend AV who is currently 25, said she was 10 when she went to play and inside kitchen that would be 2003. Two years later. And when same neighbor AV went to snoop in their property was 2010 and AV was 17.

Jmho if anything was wrong in 2001 dog bite incident, where dig bite 4 year old and -TAKEN to get stitches - there was a report done. LEO followed up and took dog. No reports of any kind abuse or other contact other than pigs eating neighbors dog food.

Who is AV?

"Daughter Barbara Vinyard, 19, and her sister played with the Turpin children a few times in a nearby creek, but they wouldn’t share their names."

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-na-perris-texas-20180120-story,amp.html

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AV daughter of Shelli in article who played with kids...an Exclusive with Ashley. So there are 2 daughters and mom and dad Shelli and Ricky giving interviews. But this is article I referencing and doesn't add up
Ashely Vinyard, 25, lived across the street from David, 57, and Louise Turpin, 49, when the family was living in their Rio Vista home in Texas.
The couple was arrested and charged with torture and child en


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...amily-left-kitten-dumpster.html#ixzz553Bm7ho9
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[SandyQLS]

I think the pregnancy photo is fake.

Very interesting that you say that...comparing these 3 photos: overweight in red shirt=2014, pregnant is 2015?, with newborn 2015. ETA: Doesn't she look a thinner with the newborn than she did in the Minnie Mouse pregnant photo? What is falling out of the side of her breast in the Minnie Mouse photo? And, after reading your post, I blew the photo up and it does look like there is packaging under the MM hand creating the pregnant belly. Siblings #2-12 were born in TX - so any other older girl could have been taken to a CA hospital in labor claiming her name is "Louise" and no one would know.

 

[JaneEyre]

AV daughter of Shelli in article who played with kids...
Ashely Vinyard, 25, lived across the street from David, 57, and Louise Turpin, 49, when the family was living in their Rio Vista home in Texas.
The couple was arrested and charged with torture and child en


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...amily-left-kitten-dumpster.html#ixzz553Bm7ho9
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It appears that her father may have been with her when she opened the trailer door and they found the two living dogs.

I have no reason to not believe this family found two dogs locked in the trailer that the family had been living in.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-na-perris-texas-20180120-story,amp.html

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[ocgrad]

If and when this case goes to trial, I'm sure the prosecution will have pictures of the filth in the Perris house to show the jury the living conditions the children were being forced to live in. I hope someone saves this video to show the 'before and after' of the house. Maybe the prosecution will even use stills from that video in their presentation.......'Here's what the family room looked like when the Turpins purchased the house...........here's what the family room looked like on the day the children were rescued from the house.' That could make a powerful impact on the jury.

The CSI team will also be able to identify the content of the carpet stains and debris on doors and walls.

 

[seattlechiquita]

The CSI team will also be able to identify the content of the carpet stains and debris on doors and walls.

I feel for the crime scene specialists currently going through that place. May they do their best work.

 

[Peculiar]

At the Elvis vow event, all the kids had black hair. We know from catching a glimpse of their hair in this picture that their hair was dyed at the vow event. I'm certain that dying their hair was an additional way to dehumanize and objectify the children by undermining their individuality.

We don't have any proof that their hair is dyed. Pictures of #1 as a baby shows a light haired kid and by the time she was in 3rd grade, she had dark brown/black hair. Same color she has in other more recent pics.

All of the kids seem to have hair varying in color from medium brown to dark brown to black. #13 has light hair in the pictures we've seen, it's entirely possible and likely that the younger kids had light hair that darkened as they've aged.

 

[rsd1200]

They had to receive nutrition through IVs, right? I don't understand the debate about just how thin they were. If you ever weighed only 80 some pounds at some point and did not need IV-delivered nutrition, then your health situation was not comparable.

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My ex, was placed in the hospital, after someone discovered that he'd fallen, and broken his femur. Yes, his femur. He'd laid on the couch, with a misshapen leg, for two days before his roommate noticed. My ex was an alcoholic with a capital A. He didn't complain, just did as he always done, asked for beer, and laid on the couch. When someone noticed the leg, and he'd not gotten up to use the restroom...they called an ambulance, to take him to the hospital. The staff were shocked. He was nothing but skin and bones. He didn't eat. He drank his meals. All three of them, and any in-between meals. He'd drink pop if he wanted something sweet or ran out of alcohol. His roommate didn't really notice, and neither did his life long friends, nor his kids, or his aunt (who actually brought food to him), nor even me, who saw him on occasion. He had alcohol dementia and would tell folks he'd eaten and just mushed his food around, then went back to drinking. They could not fix his leg when he was admitted. He was so malnourished, (weighed maybe 80 pounds but he was not a tall man), that they said it would kill him to go under. They had to build him up with IV fluids, and antibiotics, and later, measured and specific meals, but first, they had to put him in kind of a twilight zone, just to wean him, medically, from the alcohol b/c his body could not withstand the Delirium Tremens. He was very touch and go for months, and eventually lost the leg, and had to go to a nursing home. He was in his early 60s so it was harder on him to recover, but, it's not an easy fix to recover from extended malnourishment (? word). (He passed, a couple years after from a fast growing cancer but did have two years, sober, to visit with his grandchildren,and his friends would drop in, at the nursing home.)

 

[SandyQLS]

Rooms said to be urine filled. https://www.today.com/video/new-det...rors-as-parents-appear-in-court-1139655235997

I remember seeing local news video on 20/20 or youtube where the Sheriff deputies put on blue gloves (normal) and also surgical cup face masks (not normal) to enter the house to collect evidence. I believe they wore the masks because of the smell and danger of pathogens, and that they had no belief that there were dangerous compounds or drugs (like a meth lab). JMO

 

[Bill Carson]

Has anyone seen this photograph anywhere else? It showed up in the TV interview with LT's sister but I haven't seen a quality shot of it. This is the only photo I've seen in which the kids are all wearing different shirts...but they are all wearing matching baggy pink bottoms? For some of the girls, the t-shirts look like they might have celebrities on them but I really can't tell. So bizarre.

It looks like the kind of picture you would take at Christmas, when grandma and grandpa sent everyone new clothes--matching pants and new shirts--and so you have the kids put the clothes on and line up, "Let's take your picture to show Grandma the clothes she bought you for Christmas."

 

[LietKynes]

I'm confused. I don't understand the first sentence at all. Second sentence - no one said she was inside the classroom. You were quibbling with the idea that she was outside the classroom and suggested she was elsewhere on campus waiting. I pointed out that the language to describe her being elsewhere likely would have been different in my opinion.

I don't really understand suspecting that every single witness is telling tales and that it really wasn't as bad as multiple people are saying. It seems kind of odd to take issue with each individual account by neighbors and anyone who had contact with them.

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SABBM

Hmmm... I think it was VERY bad !! Those sorry excuses for parents may have even 'fattened them up' for the vow renewals and other trips-- not to mention clothing that looked like it was new-- just for that specific occasion ..... and nothing else !!!!
Horrendous deception. So -- did the monsters take the clothes back to the store and try to get a refund-- since they were barely worn and appeared brand new ? Wouldn't surprise me.

And about the survivor's appearance. Photos and videos can make you look 'fat' -- even if you're not.
Back around the time Farrah Fawcett passed away -- a fan who met her in person while she was starring in "Charlies' Angels" said he was amazed at how thin she really was.
So if the Turpin children looked thin in the photos of them on their 'outings'....(and they certainly did !) think how severely malnourished they were ?

I want for them every happiness, and to never be mistreated again by anyone !! To live a full life from now on ... making their own choices.
:moo:

 

[bestill]

Meanwhile, a defense attorney for the Turpin parents stopped by to collect clothing for the defendants to wear at their court hearing on Wednesday. The lawyer said the district attorney's office was attempting to file a restraining order to prevent the husband and wife from contacting others who might be involved in the case.

http://abc7.com/perris-torture-case-eldest-son-maintained-393-gpa/2978384/

Are they trying to contact their kids or their extended family?

 

[SandyQLS]

This may have been asked but why are they going to be in court tomorrow? Riverside Hall of Justice at 13:30 - January 24, 2018.

Tomorrow is a required appearance for DT and LT regarding an order of protection against them so that they are barred from contacting the 13 survivors in any way. The 13 survivors are not appearing, not required. The prosecutor likely filed the protection order because abusers have been known to send letters or make calls that are threatening to victims, sometimes in coded language. Someone else may know if a protection order is a civil matter or a motion in the criminal case.

 

[WestieMom]

I think the pregnancy photo is fake.

It appears to be the same crib, which can be seen in dailymail photos, when they discuss having to open the windows. Do you think her face was photoshopped onto ???


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[FinallyRegistered]

Some info on the bankruptcies:

First Chapter 7 filing: 5/5/92
Second Chapter 7 filing: 8/31/11

On the second filing:
Monthly Income: $7,885.57
Monthly Expenses: $8,938.00

Statement of Financial Affairs:
2011 Income (as of 8/31/11) from David’s employer: $80,955.62
2011 Income (as of 8/31/11) from Quicksilver Royalties: $1,156.00 (Royalties ended on March 2011)

2010 Income from David’s employer: $181,850.00
2010 Income from Quicksilver Royalties: $10,637.00
2010 Income from Lousie’s employer (no name of employer given): $10,000.00

2009 Income from David’s employer: $109,402.00

They signed a Reaffirmation Agreement on their 2010 Mustang (orig price $23,518.00) on 11/11/11 and stated:
Current monthly income: $7,307.65 – reasons for decrease: “No longer receiving any royalty income from Quicksilver.”
Current monthly expenditures: $6,880.00 – reasons for decrease: “We started using coupons and being more conservative in our spending & better coverage on medical insurance and better rate on auto insurance.”

https://www.scribd.com/document/369227308/turpin-bankruptcy

IMO, it looks like an overstatement of their expenses in August in order to meet the means testing for bankruptcy, and then suddenly, in November, they are spending $2100 less a month to prove to Ford Motor Credit that they can afford the Mustang.

Their next opportunity to file again, will be on 8/31/2018.