CA - 14 killed in San Bernardino mass shooting, 2 Dec 2015 #4

[bluesneakers]

Agree. Why didn't the wife stay with her rich family in Saudi Arabia. Or help the muslims in Pakistan.

Why come here to kill so called infidels when you have people stoning women for being raped over there.

Good point.

She wanted to be a big terrorist in a small pond. Anyone can strap on a bomb and blow herself up in Pakistan.


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[Brightbird]

And there's a huge difference between wishing for Sharia law (I agree with you it's never going to happen) and walking into a room and murdering 20 people. These two didn't turn into terrorists because pork was served at the meeting.


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Oh totally! I was hoping I didn't come across as saying that all sharia law is extremism. I am tired and wandering around my local shopping centre while typing on my new and much larger iPhone. Hard to concentrate

 

[DexterMorgan]

She wanted to be a big terrorist in a small pond. Anyone can strap on a bomb and blow herself up in Pakistan.


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Lol. I never thought of that. Oh snap. She gets more virgins if it is done on Western soil. Lol. Good point.

 

[Mindmatters]

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So would you agree with this?

"As I see it, if you won't follow any American laws that are in conflict with Christian law it is probably best to find a place that supports the laws you are willing to adhere to."

If not, what is the difference as you see it?

I am so not on board with the whole pitting religion against religion for any reason--you are barking up the wrong tree here. I have absolutely no skin in that game.

What I wrote is precisely what I mean, "if you won't follow any American laws that are in conflict with Sharia law it is probably best to find a place that supports the laws you are willing to adhere to."

 

[katydid23]

I hope you understand there is a difference between the Muslim religion and terrorists. Muslims don't think non-believers should be beheaded. ISIS et al are NOT a religion.


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Yes, there is a difference between moderate Muslims and extremists. But there are hundreds of thousands of extremists in the world, of all types of religions. Some are especially violent.

 

[bluesneakers]

Oh totally! I was hoping I didn't come across as saying that all sharia law is extremism. I am tired and wandering around my local shopping centre while typing on my new and much larger iPhone. Hard to concentrate

No, not at all! I was reading along and then just added my own random thoughts. I should have used the "using your post as a jumping off point" emoji.

 

[bluesneakers]

Lol. I never thought of that. Oh snap. She gets more virgins if it is done on Western soil. Lol. Good point.

I'm trying really hard to not say her name or commit it to memory. She will always be the first and I hate her for it. Among other obvious reasons of course.

 

[Brightbird]

It is already happening in many cities in the UK. That is not paranoia, it is factual. There are links upthread describing the current situation.

I do have a problem with a religion that believes non-believers should be beheaded. I have a real problem with that.

I don't think "no go zones" mean the same thing for you and I.

 

[SophieRose]

I hope you understand there is a difference between the Muslim religion and terrorists. Muslims don't think non-believers should be beheaded. ISIS et al are NOT a religion.


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https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...s-beheading/Azrb65gWaiVfbz8aTiE8DI/story.html

There is more to the Islamist passion for decapitation than psychological warfare and a hunger for notoriety. There is also Muslim theology and history, and a mandate going back to the Koran. In a 2005 study published in Middle East Quarterly, historian Timothy Furnish quotes the famous passage at Sura 47:4: “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.” For centuries, Furnish observes, “leading Islamic scholars have interpreted this verse literally,” and examples abound throughout Islamic history.

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=47&verse=4

 

[bluesneakers]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...s-beheading/Azrb65gWaiVfbz8aTiE8DI/story.html

There is more to the Islamist passion for decapitation than psychological warfare and a hunger for notoriety. There is also Muslim theology and history, and a mandate going back to the Koran. In a 2005 study published in Middle East Quarterly, historian Timothy Furnish quotes the famous passage at Sura 47:4: “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.” For centuries, Furnish observes, “leading Islamic scholars have interpreted this verse literally,” and examples abound throughout Islamic history.

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=47&verse=4

Exactly. Islamic State/Al Qaida/Daesh/Whatever-they're-calling-themselves are all over the beheading thing.

But Muslims are not.


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[LaborDayRN]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...s-beheading/Azrb65gWaiVfbz8aTiE8DI/story.html

There is more to the Islamist passion for decapitation than psychological warfare and a hunger for notoriety. There is also Muslim theology and history, and a mandate going back to the Koran. In a 2005 study published in Middle East Quarterly, historian Timothy Furnish quotes the famous passage at Sura 47:4: “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.” For centuries, Furnish observes, “leading Islamic scholars have interpreted this verse literally,” and examples abound throughout Islamic history.

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=47&verse=4

SofieRose
Thanks for posting this. I'd like to read more about it. :tyou:

 

[wendiesan]

I still freak out when I look at the pop can that brought down the Russian plane. We spend billions on defense and they spend 10 dollars. Whose rules are they playing by? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It seems that the first rule is that there are no rules.

 

[LaborDayRN]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...s-beheading/Azrb65gWaiVfbz8aTiE8DI/story.html

There is more to the Islamist passion for decapitation than psychological warfare and a hunger for notoriety. There is also Muslim theology and history, and a mandate going back to the Koran. In a 2005 study published in Middle East Quarterly, historian Timothy Furnish quotes the famous passage at Sura 47:4: “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.” For centuries, Furnish observes, “leading Islamic scholars have interpreted this verse literally,” and examples abound throughout Islamic history.

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=47&verse=4

President Obama repeatedly makes the same assertion. When he outlined new military steps against Islamic State (also known as ISIS or ISIL) in a televised address this month, he avowed categorically: “ISIL is not Islamic.”

Alas, ISIL disagrees. And so do the radicalized Western Muslims flocking to the Middle East to join its brutal jihad, many of them stimulated by propaganda videos that feature the beheading of “unbelievers.” To millions of moderate and peaceable Muslims the world over, beheadings in the name of Islam may seem a terrible defilement of the religion they love. To a fanatical Islamist minority, they are just what Allah demands.

It may take a long while to destroy that enemy, but surely the first step is to call it what it is.

This is from 2014 but I think it's still very applicable today. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Exactly. Islamic State/Al Qaida/Daesh/Whatever-they're-calling-themselves are all over the beheading thing.

But Muslims are not.




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So Isis members are not Muslims?

 

[Elley Mae]

Department of Justice Will Go After Anti-Muslim Hate Speech

http://abcnews.go.com/US/department-justice-anti-muslim-hate-speech/story?id=35585946

U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch pledged that the Department of Justice will go after hate speech that might incite violence against the Muslim community, she told a crowd of Muslim-Americans and supporters Thursday night.

 

[bluesneakers]

So Isis members are not Muslims?

Are FLDS Mormons? Are KKK members Christians? Are Westboro Baptists members Baptists?


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[katydid23]

Are FLDS Mormons? Are KKK members Christians? Are Westboro Baptists members Baptists?


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Yes, Yes and Yes.

 

[Elley Mae]

U.S. Strategy Seeks to Avoid ISIS Prophecy

In fact, when the United States first invaded Iraq, one of the most enthusiastic proponents of the move was the man who founded the terrorist cell that would one day become the Islamic State, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. He excitedly called the Americans’ 2003 intervention “the Blessed Invasion.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/08/w...e-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

 

[katydid23]

Are FLDS Mormons? Are KKK members Christians? Are Westboro Baptists members Baptists?


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They may be rogue, distorted versions of the various religions, but YES.

ISIS is based upon the teachings of the Quran. So trying to say they are not Muslims is incorrect, imo. They are fanatical and extremists but they are still Muslims.

 

[SophieRose]

Day 5 and already 400 people interviewed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/08/us/fbi-says-san-bernardino-assailants-were-radicalized.html?_r=0

He said that the F.B.I. had interviewed 400 people, and he asked for patience from the public as the agency seeks to untangle the origins and motivations of the attack on the Inland Regional Center, which also wounded 21 people.