UK- Major incident declared in Southport after multiple stabbings, 29 July 2024
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LifeIsAMystery
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He is 17, too young to have a child at an event for kids Y2-6.
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Another possible thought that had crossed my mind was something like... had he maybe gotten a girl pregnant and she had an abortion? And he was angry and wanted to take his frustration out on other children?
Honestly total guessing and my own thoughts and opinion. Just trying to make some sort of "sense" of his motive for this type of attack. I don't recall seeing anything quite like this before.
Honestly total guessing and my own thoughts and opinion. Just trying to make some sort of "sense" of his motive for this type of attack. I don't recall seeing anything quite like this before.
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All I can say is my sincere sympathy to the victims, their families and the people in the community.
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I wouldn't look for precise motive.
It might be the attacker doesn't know it himself.
It is probably a mixture of
rage, feeling of unfulfillment, disappointment, failure, some kind of injustice,
etc, etc.
Plus MH issues
probably not treated.
JMO
Southport community 'left numb' by mass stabbing incident
Crowds gathered in the centre of Southport for a vigil in memory of the victims of Monday's attack.
www.bbc.com
At a vigil on Tuesday evening, residents laid flowers and held a minute's silence
''Earlier today, Natasha Sandland, head teacher of Marshside Primary School, said their community had been "left numb by this tragic incident".
She described one of her pupils killed in the attack, six-year-old Bebe King, as "one of our brightest and most wonderful shining stars".
On the other side of Southport, at Farnborough Road Infant School, head teacher Jennifer Shepton described Elsie Dot Stancombe - a seven-year-old killed in the incident - arriving for her first day atop her father's shoulders.
"Even at her early age she was such a caring and charismatic young lady who loved to please," she said.
Jinnie Payne, head teacher of Churchtown Primary School, where nine-year-old Alice Dasilva Aguiar - the third child to die in the attack - was in Year 4, said she was "the happiest of souls, a true ray of sunshine".
"She was known and loved by everyone... a testament to her unique ability to connect with others," she said.''
Twenty-two police officers injured in Southport unrest
Merseyside Police said eight officers sustained serious injuries including fractures, lacerations, a suspected broken nose and concussion.
Other injuries included one officer being knocked unconscious, as well as others suffering head and serious facial injuries. Three police dogs were also hurt, with two having bricks thrown at them.
Merseyside Police said eight officers sustained serious injuries including fractures, lacerations, a suspected broken nose and concussion.
Other injuries included one officer being knocked unconscious, as well as others suffering head and serious facial injuries. Three police dogs were also hurt, with two having bricks thrown at them.
Thugs hijacked Southport and families' grief, MP says
The disorder came just hours after people in Southport held a vigil for Monday's knife attack victims.
www.bbc.co.uk
scapa
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With all respect, I don't find such a scenario at all likely, especially given the venue, victims chosen or the mode of attack. Kids at a Saturday dance class are not obvious political targets in the same way soldiers, LE or, say, corrections officers were during the Troubles or religious leaders / groups have been since time evermore.
There will no doubt be various motives and motivating factors explored as investigation proceeds and then as trial nears. But -- and I apologize for being blunt -- I don't care about that. I will never care about that. Because it won't be enough to explain this horror and it won't be enough to make it make sense. Just as has been the case with any similar case I remember. The "why"just lingers.
And especially not now. Investigators must do their jobs and the rest is down to the two hospitals and their staff -- including several colleagues -- and the families and friends and communities affected.
Anyway, all IMO MOO etc. This one has hit me hard. Stepping away with much virtual love to all.
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What a disgusting way to respond to a vicious attack on precious young children. Reminds me of the riots in Dublin last year, choosing violence instead of coming together in sympathy & mourning. Using this unthinkable tragedy to spew hateful rhetoric is beyond a disservice to the little girls and their families. They all deserve so much more than that. Rest In Peace angels and may all effected by this horror be surrounded by the utmost care and affection.
I still agree, I'm just thinking it still may end up being charged as a terrorist attack because of reasons I suggested above. Not likely, but I can see how it could happen.
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Twenty-two police officers injured in Southport unrest
Merseyside Police said eight officers sustained serious injuries including fractures, lacerations, a suspected broken nose and concussion.
Other injuries included one officer being knocked unconscious, as well as others suffering head and serious facial injuries. Three police dogs were also hurt, with two having bricks thrown at them.
Thugs hijacked Southport and families' grief, MP says
The disorder came just hours after people in Southport held a vigil for Monday's knife attack victims.www.bbc.co.uk
incomprehensible - they all need to give their collective head a shake!
Been confirmed he has no known links to Islam. All that destruction and abuse targeted at a mosque based on what people think they know, rather than any grounding of truth. I can't fathom how much this will be hurting the families of the victims.
I do wonder if the police will try and get an exemption from the courts/protocol to release more information. Could possibly depend on how close to 18 he is?
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They all need to be arrested and hammered in court. And their leader needs to be hauled back from whatever country he's scurried off to, as i have no doubt that he's instigated it.
We treated 39 people - all of them police officers, says ambulance service
Here's the latest statement from the North West Ambulance Service about last night's violence.
"NWAS stood down from major incident at 01:25 on Wednesday 31 July.
"We treated 39 patients in total, all of which were police officers. 27 were taken to hospital and 12 were treated and discharged at scene.
"A small number of resources will remain at the scene on St Luke’s Road to continue to support police colleagues.
"We'd like to thank the many NWAS staff and other emergency service colleagues who have worked extremely hard over the last few hours in response to the disturbance."
Here's the latest statement from the North West Ambulance Service about last night's violence.
"NWAS stood down from major incident at 01:25 on Wednesday 31 July.
"We treated 39 patients in total, all of which were police officers. 27 were taken to hospital and 12 were treated and discharged at scene.
"A small number of resources will remain at the scene on St Luke’s Road to continue to support police colleagues.
"We'd like to thank the many NWAS staff and other emergency service colleagues who have worked extremely hard over the last few hours in response to the disturbance."
Yoga teacher injured while 'shielding girls' in Southport attack recovering, family tells BBC
The family of Leanne Lucas, who ran the Taylor Swift-themed dance class, say she acted like a "hero" during the attack, in which three children were killed.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Absolutely appalling.The police had cared for bleeding and traumatised children the day before. Then they are attacked and children who are already upset and scared are having to hide inside their houses.
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I wrote this early on in this thread BEFORE we all knew he was 17. If you kept reading you will have seen a few posts after this with the news, newly appearing, saying he was 17 and me posting to acknowledge this.
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It was reported they were chanting his name.
13m ago
Riots caused by propaganda and lies spread online about identity of attacker, local MP says
Patrick Hurley, the MP for Southport, has also been speaking with Times Radio this morning. He said the riots occurred because of the “propaganda and lies” spread on social media about the identity of the attacker.
The only details released about the suspect by police described him as a 17-year-old from the village of Banks in Lancashire who was born in Cardiff.
Hurley told Times Radio:
Because of the propaganda and the lies that were being spread around on social media from within minutes of the news breaking on Monday afternoon about the tragic incident.
We’d had all sorts of lies being spread and misinformation being spread about the alleged perpetrator and some people with the best of intentions then they tried to rebut this, they tried to argue back, but all that happens is you’re just amplifying people’s false messaging.
This misinformation doesn’t just exist on people’s internet browsers and on people’s phones. It has real world impact.
And what happened is that the real world impact of that was that we then had hundreds of people descending on the town, descending on Southport from outside of the area, intent on causing trouble, either because they believe what they’ve written, or because they are bad faith actors who wrote it in the first place, in the hope of causing community division.
On Wednesday morning, the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) paid tribute to the three girls killed, before condemning “shocking scenes of far-right rioters running amok outside a mosque”. The MCB called it an Islamophobic backlash that began with a false rumour on the internet.
www.theguardian.com
Riots caused by propaganda and lies spread online about identity of attacker, local MP says
Patrick Hurley, the MP for Southport, has also been speaking with Times Radio this morning. He said the riots occurred because of the “propaganda and lies” spread on social media about the identity of the attacker.
The only details released about the suspect by police described him as a 17-year-old from the village of Banks in Lancashire who was born in Cardiff.
Hurley told Times Radio:
Because of the propaganda and the lies that were being spread around on social media from within minutes of the news breaking on Monday afternoon about the tragic incident.
We’d had all sorts of lies being spread and misinformation being spread about the alleged perpetrator and some people with the best of intentions then they tried to rebut this, they tried to argue back, but all that happens is you’re just amplifying people’s false messaging.
This misinformation doesn’t just exist on people’s internet browsers and on people’s phones. It has real world impact.
And what happened is that the real world impact of that was that we then had hundreds of people descending on the town, descending on Southport from outside of the area, intent on causing trouble, either because they believe what they’ve written, or because they are bad faith actors who wrote it in the first place, in the hope of causing community division.
On Wednesday morning, the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) paid tribute to the three girls killed, before condemning “shocking scenes of far-right rioters running amok outside a mosque”. The MCB called it an Islamophobic backlash that began with a false rumour on the internet.
Southport stabbing latest: detectives given more time to question suspect; police promise further arrests over riot
There have been four arrests after violence in the town with Merseyside chief constable saying ‘more will follow’