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I completely agree! Was it really necessary to show their patriotism on this particular day??? It wasn't the 4th of July, they couldn't let the Mexicans just have ONE day to celebrate their heritage???:razz:Personally I think choosing to wear red, white and blue on this particular day shows a sort of instigation on part of students, unless they wear those clothes every day...what other reason would they have had to do it except to cause controversy? And it takes so little these days, with all of the anti-immigration business going on. IMO they wanted to create a sensation and they did.
:clap::clap::clap:Another thing I completely agree with you on! To me, the flag has been taken over by conservative Republicans, in the vein of "Take It or Leave It/God Bless America", so I will never display an American flag, nor did I sew it on my daughter's Brownie vest, and I've told her she can fake mouth the words to the Pledge of Allegiance- she will never be forced to say it as I was in elementary school! And yes, I do hope the ACLU gets involved in this case, it's a freedom of speech issue!I am an American and would not ever wear a flag...but that is just me. I feel that the wearing of one these days is a statement that is construed as not just pride, but a sort of hostile pride, by many...and although I love this country and feel lucky to have been born here by an accident of birth (my grandparents were immigrants) I am not always especially proud of it. Lucky, glad, relieved, yes, but pride is something else. But that is just me and my opinion only.
I completely agree! Was it really necessary to show their patriotism on this particular day??? It wasn't the 4th of July, they couldn't let the Mexicans just have ONE day to celebrate their heritage???:razz:
:clap::clap::clap:Another thing I completely agree with you on! To me, the flag has been taken over my conservative Republicans, in the vein of "Take It or Leave It/God Bless America", so I will never display an American flag, nor did I sew on on my daughter's Brownie vest, and I've told her she can fake mouth the words to the Pledge of Allegiance- she will never be forced to say it as I was in elementary school! And yes, I do hope the ACLU gets involved in this case, it's a freedom of speech issue!
I don't believe they were wronged in any way. They were not harmed, they were purposely trying to offend Mexican Americans on the one day which is theirs to celebrate. Even the local conservative Hispanic columinist wrote that these boys were out to instigate! If I find his column, I'll link it...So you DO want ACLU to get involved because it's a freedom of speech issue? Because the ones who were wearing the flag attire are the ones who were wronged. They were expressing there feelings by wearing OUR colors. We are free to do that. This is America.
Mmmm last time I checked anyone could celebrate and acknowledge their heritage *any* day in the United States? I can almost guarantee that if the students saying they were disrespected were told that they could not wear anything resembling the Mexican flag one day during the year that someone would scream discrimination.
It cuts both ways, I'm afraid.
The flag code applies to the use of actual flags. These kids were not dressed in actual flags.
If you interpret the code to mean that there can be no depiction of a US flag on clothing in any way, shape or form the uniforms of every member of our armed services are going to need to be redone to eliminate the flag patches.
That's a straw man argument, because that doesn't happen.Should Mexican Americans be proscribed from waving Mexican flags on US holidays for the same reason?
Don't get it twisted. Americans come in colors other than white. You were talking about being "an American" and then went and substituted it for being "a white person". FYI - there are white - very white latinos.You know what? You are 100% correct. I should have said American but my focus was not on nationality but rather me NOT being Latino and yet expecting them to bow to my continent's holiday while in a predominately brown country. The conflict described in this thread is not between Americans and Mexicans, it is between a small group of predominately white students and Latinos all of whom are Americans. But you are right, I should have used the term American as it could obviously be seen as *shudder* racist to refer to myself as white. The politically correct police will come and haul me away if I do not choose my words more carefully. I stand corrected and apologize.
There has in Albany, NY - along with many other flags!So there has never, once, in history, been a Mexican flag flown at a 4th of July celebration?
Well, yeah! I agree! I never said that I agreed with the way the school handled the situation!Well, it's then a real argument.
Suppose I go in and beat the crap out of the person waving that flag. Are they now at fault because they knew full well it could "incite" me? Can I make the argument that they know what they were doing so they bear the responsibility for the results? Am I blameless if I do so?
Because if you reverse the positions that's what the school officials are saying.
Thank you, . After reading your post, it made me realize that I forgot to mention that I did not agree with the way the school handled it.Oh, I'm not arguing with you, just bouncing off your posts.
There has in Albany, NY - along with many other flags!
They do it in Texas, too.
I have to say, it's sad to see arguments and defenses about this case. The idea that any American should be told not to wear an American flag for the sake of protecting the hypersensitivities of people of other nationalities is reprehensible to me. To see debate about it made with deflections, nitpicking, and fingerpointing makes me feel that political convictions have overcome common sense, IMO.
People who are here from other countries should be (and often are) among the first to appreciate all our flag represents, because otherwise, they wouldn't be here.
If you have a problem with our flag, our language, or our constitution, please, just don't come here. It's that simple.
See, I am just wondering whether or not those students had a problem vs. the school over-reacting. Was there one side with the Mexican flag-bearing student glaring at those who wore red, white and blue? I don't think so, but of course, I could be wrong.
Also, is there a chance that some students who never wore red, white and blue, chose to wear it that day, in defiance? I've been around for almost 57 years, and I the only time I see a teen-ager wearing red, white and blue is on a holiday or in a parade. Really, it is just not that fashionable!
Whatever, I still don't like the way the school handled it.
They do it in Texas, too.
I have to say, it's sad to see arguments and defenses about this case. The idea that any American should be told not to wear an American flag for the sake of protecting the hypersensitivities of people of other nationalities is reprehensible to me. To see debate about it made with deflections, nitpicking, and fingerpointing makes me feel that political convictions have overcome common sense, IMO.
People who are here from other countries should be (and often are) among the first to appreciate all our flag represents, because otherwise, they wouldn't be here.
If you have a problem with our flag, our language, or our constitution, please, just don't come here. It's that simple.