CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #5

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Standout - and potentially crucial - paragraph, IMO:

i have two independent sources who saw Barb on the morning of the 12th, one who expressed she was visibly aggravated and not her normal self.

I would hope LE are aware of this and ascertained from RT if they had had an argument that morning, or how she had appeared to him. What had happened that had caused her to be so vexed? Something had obviously occurred for it to be so noticeable.
I have tried to remain objective in this case but that information really does give me pause. Actually it gives me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach when combined with some of the other circumstances surrounding Barb's disappearance.
 
personally endeavor to remain objective. it is not easy with all the information on the table in front of me.

your summary is correct, but there is substantial additional information which all 'tips' the scale, imho.

despite all information, i remain hopeful that Barb is alive.

that is an indication, on its own, that my views on this disappearance have a very strong bias.

regarding whether or not robert is innocent, i am also hopeful. all of my speculations have been confined to this medium (websleuths). i am not out to publicly shame Rob or ruin his reputation. yes this is public, no i am not trying to spread it around the internet.

from the first day i learned about barbs disappearance i have been on websleuths sharing what i've learned. my first call to Rob and Barbs house on the night i learned of her disappearance, Roberts family told me their plan is to share any and all information across all media etc, spread wherever there are ears to listen, and since that point i have been sharing what i learned here, mostly unfiltered, and also learning from members with lots of experience here on WS ways that i can be useful to Barb.

the times i began using more discretion were after speaking to Barb's son, and realizing this all could be far more dangerous than a surface examination suggests. my family over here agrees the entire situation feels very wrong, and have asked me to limit my involvement out of concern for MY SAFETY.

i have been in contact with law enforcement in AZ and CA, with robbie, with robbies family, with matt, with independent investigators, with many other relevant persons whose relation to rob and barb mean they should be in direct contact with case detectives. many of the means of contact were provided through ws, from members who are very busy trying to help find my aunt. i have two independent sources who saw Barb on the morning of the 12th, one who expressed she was visibly aggravated and not her normal self.

i have scoured all correspondence between barb and my family trying to get a better idea of what could have happened.

i stopped commenting when it got messy on here, but continued in private chats. i resumed posting publicly because i determined it was more helpful for this group to be more informed and updated, mainly because the resources this group of people active on this ws thread have access to are immense and humbling! we are going to find Barbara.

I included very personal pictures Barb sent to us in the hopes you all get a better feel for who she was. she and rob have always been an inspiration to me, and their house is one of the stops i made on my own backpacking journey through the desert regions, and other national parks up and down the west coast in 2007.

i will be the first to formally apologise for any accusations or hurtful speculations. to deny them or defer them or ignore facts before me would be extremely counter productive, imo.

nothing i have learned has been taken lightly. everything i have shared has been shared after careful consideration that it will help in the search for barbara. the gravity of the situation is not any less than the day i first learned she had disappeared.

at this moment i have no reason to think other than what you have seen me suggest. unfortunately due to TOS, and my instinctual feeling that not all relevant information should be shared publicly, or openly for that matter, i can not ammend your summary of events with what i consider crucial information.

and yes, i still consider details surrounding Barbs disappearance imply the situation could be very dangerous; sinister even.

thank you all for being here and keeping Barb in your thoughts.
Thank you for your response. We are deeply grateful you are here, and I know everyone is working hard to come up with productive ideas on how to find Barb.

I have a suggestion for you, but we need boots on the ground to organize.

There are literally 100’s of biker clubs in that area who do lots of charity work. “A ride for Barb” including lots of black bikini’s and red ball caps would get lots of publicity, and hopefully additional action.

Any locals/bikers want to take this on? Bikers for Barb!

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
personally endeavor to remain objective. it is not easy with all the information on the table in front of me.

your summary is correct, but there is substantial additional information which all 'tips' the scale, imho.

despite all information, i remain hopeful that Barb is alive.

that is an indication, on its own, that my views on this disappearance have a very strong bias.

regarding whether or not robert is innocent, i am also hopeful. all of my speculations have been confined to this medium (websleuths). i am not out to publicly shame Rob or ruin his reputation. yes this is public, no i am not trying to spread it around the internet.

from the first day i learned about barbs disappearance i have been on websleuths sharing what i've learned. my first call to Rob and Barbs house on the night i learned of her disappearance, Roberts family told me their plan is to share any and all information across all media etc, spread wherever there are ears to listen, and since that point i have been sharing what i learned here, mostly unfiltered, and also learning from members with lots of experience here on WS ways that i can be useful to Barb.

the times i began using more discretion were after speaking to Barb's son, and realizing this all could be far more dangerous than a surface examination suggests. my family over here agrees the entire situation feels very wrong, and have asked me to limit my involvement out of concern for MY SAFETY.

i have been in contact with law enforcement in AZ and CA, with robbie, with robbies family, with matt, with independent investigators, with many other relevant persons whose relation to rob and barb mean they should be in direct contact with case detectives. many of the means of contact were provided through ws, from members who are very busy trying to help find my aunt. i have two independent sources who saw Barb on the morning of the 12th, one who expressed she was visibly aggravated and not her normal self.

i have scoured all correspondence between barb and my family trying to get a better idea of what could have happened.

i stopped commenting when it got messy on here, but continued in private chats. i resumed posting publicly because i determined it was more helpful for this group to be more informed and updated, mainly because the resources this group of people active on this ws thread have access to are immense and humbling! we are going to find Barbara.

I included very personal pictures Barb sent to us in the hopes you all get a better feel for who she was. she and rob have always been an inspiration to me, and their house is one of the stops i made on my own backpacking journey through the desert regions, and other national parks up and down the west coast in 2007.

i will be the first to formally apologise for any accusations or hurtful speculations. to deny them or defer them or ignore facts before me would be extremely counter productive, imo.

nothing i have learned has been taken lightly. everything i have shared has been shared after careful consideration that it will help in the search for barbara. the gravity of the situation is not any less than the day i first learned she had disappeared.

at this moment i have no reason to think other than what you have seen me suggest. unfortunately due to TOS, and my instinctual feeling that not all relevant information should be shared publicly, or openly for that matter, i can not ammend your summary of events with what i consider crucial information.

and yes, i still consider details surrounding Barbs disappearance imply the situation could be very dangerous; sinister even.

thank you all for being here and keeping Barb in your thoughts.

Thank you for sharing. Barb was visibly aggravated? Do the police know this please? You are doing s good job of helping.
 
In regards to a bike run for Barbara, I guess I could contact the local BACA group. (bikers against child abuse.) They have responded for missing adults before.
Note to self, I see their next "meet and greet" is scheduled for 8-31 in Wyoming.
Might work, might not.
We'll see what we can come up with collectively.
Good idea @rosesfromangels . I can picture such a thing and I would think B would love it. :)
Chi
 
As to why B "appeared" to 2 sources as aggravated, not herself that morning. I tend to think something was going on between her and RT. Have zero idea what. Could have been gambling by RT? Or just the thought of making this trip when she was due in Hong Kong so soon after. As in, was it sudden on RT's part to suggest it?
I realize it's been stated they did this kind of thing regularly. It was so hot that day!

I would expect other family members etc to begin to make pleas for B to come home. And yes, why isn't RT making a public plea? Most likely because his lawyer has instructed him not to.
If he, "they", are frantic, imo the best thing to do would be to plaster her flyers and info everywhere between their home and the spot he claims she went missing from.
Why would he be relying on others to do so?
Just thinking, and maybe there was substance abuse, like too much alcohol, involved? And/or early signs of dementia?
jmo and saddened
Chi
 
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In regards to a bike run for Barbara, I guess I could contact the local BACA group. (bikers against child abuse.) They have responded for missing adults before.
Note to self, I see their next "meet and greet" is scheduled for 8-31 in Wyoming.
Might work, might not.
We'll see what we can come up with collectively.
Good idea @rosesfromangels . I can picture such a thing and I would think B would love it. :)
Chi
Thanks Chi! "Bikers for Barb!" I can see it now....
There are 100's of clubs in the Mojave area. Could turn in to big run.
 
Thank you for your response. We are deeply grateful you are here, and I know everyone is working hard to come up with productive ideas on how to find Barb.

I have a suggestion for you, but we need boots on the ground to organize.

There are literally 100’s of biker clubs in that area who do lots of charity work. “A ride for Barb” including lots of black bikini’s and red ball caps would get lots of publicity, and hopefully additional action.

Any locals/bikers want to take this on? Bikers for Barb!

Amateur opinion and speculation
I LOVE that idea!
 
When do the days start getting cooler in the Mojave? October? November? I recall in cases in Joshua Tree that the SAR volunteers took up the search again when days got cooler. I'd be interested to know if they have it marked on their calendar to return in a few months to resume searching for Barb. They usually don't like to give up a search completely even when no trace of the person is found in the search area. Hopefully they will go back and/or expand the search when it gets cooler. MOO.
 
Calling on "Bikers for Barb". Excellent idea. And every woman should be sporting at least a black top, red cap and sunglasses. Heck, Barbara did it, so why not the bikini top? Loving this idea. :)
Chi
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As to why B "appeared" to 2 sources as aggravated, not herself that morning. I tend to think something was going on between her and RT. Have zero idea what. Could have been gambling by RT? Or just the thought of making this trip when she was due in Hong Kong so soon after. As in, was it sudden on RT's part to suggest it?
I realize it's been stated they did this kind of thing regularly. It was so hot that day!

I would expect other family members etc to begin to make pleas for B to come home. And yes, why isn't RT making a public plea? Most likely because his lawyer has instructed him not to.
If he, "they", are frantic, imo the best thing to do would be to plaster her flyers and info everywhere between their home and the spot he claims she went missing from.
Why would he be relying on others to do so?
Just thinking, and maybe there was substance abuse, like too much alcohol, involved? And/or early signs of dementia?
jmo and saddened
Chi
Well, it was mentioned that they argued and bickered as many couples do, and it was considered amusing by some in the family.
Maybe they were arguing and that's why she didn't appear to be her normal self.
I think it's impossible to say what they could have argued about. Some couples argue over little things.

Apparently they didn't gamble much, if they did go to a casino they played the slots, I think is what the VI stated.
It could be that RT was upset about her upcoming trip, or maybe she was mad because he didn't mow the lawn or he didn't put his dishes in the sink.
Impossible to know without more specific information.

It would help to know if the witness observed her for a couple of minutes from a distance or actually spoke to her. I'm sure LE knows the specifics.

If something bad happened to Barbara and she was harmed in some way, there must be someone who knows something. Her son seems to think that Robert knows something so it doesn't seem like a random stranger is involved.

Hopefully LE has some valuable tips that will lead to Barbara.
With the recent media attention I don't see why they haven't made any statements. Usually in a missing persons case we would have had an update by now, even if just to say they are following through with leads and will continue the investigation.
I know they don't reveal much but at least they usually say something about their progress.
It's very frustrating. Imo
 
Since we have nothing....
Let’s ask a question.
What if the guy 300 miles away ran from that situation and actually had wheels. He lost his prior victim, had to come up with an escape plan. So he gets into his vehicle and drives to the next state to Nevada. This causes delay in LE... So he drives and ends up on HWY 40 .. 6 hours later ... he takes a left on a road to avoid LE and finds a female crossing the road to her RV .. He commands her and she Obeys ... ?? What is your thought? It is FAR reaching !! But .. What If ??
Then this guy should buy a lottery ticket because he just happened to find two perfect victims in remote areas with no witnesses within tiny windows of opportunity.
 
Standout - and potentially crucial - paragraph, IMO:

i have two independent sources who saw Barb on the morning of the 12th, one who expressed she was visibly aggravated and not her normal self.

I would hope LE are aware of this and ascertained from RT if they had had an argument that morning, or how she had appeared to him. What had happened that had caused her to be so vexed? Something had obviously occurred for it to be so noticeable.
It could have been anything. Maybe it didn't have anything to do with her husband at all.

Just this morning I stepped on a huge slug in my bare feet and then later almost tripped over my dog taking him for a walk. If my neighbors saw me afterwards they might have said I looked extremely aggravated or not my usual self.

If Robert does know anything about why she appeared that way hopefully he has provided some helpful information to LE. Imo
 
Well, it was mentioned that they argued and bickered as many couples do, and it was considered amusing by some in the family.
Maybe they were arguing and that's why she didn't appear to be her normal self.
I think it's impossible to say what they could have argued about. Some couples argue over little things.

Apparently they didn't gamble much, if they did go to a casino they played the slots, I think is what the VI stated.
It could be that RT was upset about her upcoming trip, or maybe she was mad because he didn't mow the lawn or he didn't put his dishes in the sink.
Impossible to know without more specific information.

It would help to know if the witness observed her for a couple of minutes from a distance or actually spoke to her. I'm sure LE knows the specifics.

If something bad happened to Barbara and she was harmed in some way, there must be someone who knows something. Her son seems to think that Robert knows something so it doesn't seem like a random stranger is involved.

Hopefully LE has some valuable tips that will lead to Barbara.
With the recent media attention I don't see why they haven't made any statements. Usually in a missing persons case we would have had an update by now, even if just to say they are following through with leads and will continue the investigation.
I know they don't reveal much but at least they usually say something about their progress.
It's very frustrating. Imo

The following are the only recent statements (8/6/19) from LE & from BT's husband RE: 'progress' in the disappearance of BT:

"Sgt. Allison with the San Bernardino's County Sheriff's Department said they exhausted all resources looking for the 69-year-old.
"We utilized department-wide resources which includes search and rescue," said Allison. "We have hundreds of volunteers across the county that volunteer specifically for search and rescue."
The sheriff's department stopped looking for Barbara Thomas July 22nd. They're pursuing other leads, and so is Schellinkout (BT's son)."

"We reached out to Robert to ask him what happened, but he directed us to his lawyer.
"Still frantically working on a way to get information to bring her [Barbara] home," said Robert's attorney, Eric Anderson out of California."

Lafayette man's mother still missing after hiking in the Mojave Desert with husband
 
personally endeavor to remain objective. it is not easy with all the information on the table in front of me.

your summary is correct, but there is substantial additional information which all 'tips' the scale, imho.

despite all information, i remain hopeful that Barb is alive.

that is an indication, on its own, that my views on this disappearance have a very strong bias.

regarding whether or not robert is innocent, i am also hopeful. all of my speculations have been confined to this medium (websleuths). i am not out to publicly shame Rob or ruin his reputation. yes this is public, no i am not trying to spread it around the internet.

from the first day i learned about barbs disappearance i have been on websleuths sharing what i've learned. my first call to Rob and Barbs house on the night i learned of her disappearance, Roberts family told me their plan is to share any and all information across all media etc, spread wherever there are ears to listen, and since that point i have been sharing what i learned here, mostly unfiltered, and also learning from members with lots of experience here on WS ways that i can be useful to Barb.

the times i began using more discretion were after speaking to Barb's son, and realizing this all could be far more dangerous than a surface examination suggests. my family over here agrees the entire situation feels very wrong, and have asked me to limit my involvement out of concern for MY SAFETY.

i have been in contact with law enforcement in AZ and CA, with robbie, with robbies family, with matt, with independent investigators, with many other relevant persons whose relation to rob and barb mean they should be in direct contact with case detectives. many of the means of contact were provided through ws, from members who are very busy trying to help find my aunt. i have two independent sources who saw Barb on the morning of the 12th, one who expressed she was visibly aggravated and not her normal self.

i have scoured all correspondence between barb and my family trying to get a better idea of what could have happened.

i stopped commenting when it got messy on here, but continued in private chats. i resumed posting publicly because i determined it was more helpful for this group to be more informed and updated, mainly because the resources this group of people active on this ws thread have access to are immense and humbling! we are going to find Barbara.

I included very personal pictures Barb sent to us in the hopes you all get a better feel for who she was. she and rob have always been an inspiration to me, and their house is one of the stops i made on my own backpacking journey through the desert regions, and other national parks up and down the west coast in 2007.

i will be the first to formally apologise for any accusations or hurtful speculations. to deny them or defer them or ignore facts before me would be extremely counter productive, imo.

nothing i have learned has been taken lightly. everything i have shared has been shared after careful consideration that it will help in the search for barbara. the gravity of the situation is not any less than the day i first learned she had disappeared.

at this moment i have no reason to think other than what you have seen me suggest. unfortunately due to TOS, and my instinctual feeling that not all relevant information should be shared publicly, or openly for that matter, i can not ammend your summary of events with what i consider crucial information.

and yes, i still consider details surrounding Barbs disappearance imply the situation could be very dangerous; sinister even.

thank you all for being here and keeping Barb in your thoughts.
Do you have any clue or indications whatsoever that Barb was planning to divorce Robbie?
 
Yes I implore all of B's family members and friends to find a way to speak up for her.
This is just so sad. Seriously.
I understand the VI has stated here that she seldom went anywhere without RT.
That's common amongst most couples, especially as they get older.
Is it a clue as to whether she felt controlled or not? IDK. Maybe she just felt safer w/him.
Concerning the cell phone she used in Hong Kong, the one she took pictures from the cable car with, she seemed to think there was a reason she shouldn't take it home with her.
Why did it seem too valuable to take back w her?
And yes it's true that anything could make someone feel aggravated. Seems that this wasn't the norm for B?
Maybe someone can find a link showing that she was usually this way because I can't, I mean from our VI or otherwise.
dbdb11 had said that he hopes RT turns out to be a hero in all of this.
I hope so too, but so far, nothing really new coming from him via his lawyer or other means.
RT, if you can read this, please make a plea for B. You have said she is the love of your life, and I believe that. And can only begin to fathom your grief having seen her pictures. What a beautiful lady full of life. Everyone must me desperate for her to be found!
And if anyone has the slightest clue where she might be, please make a call.
www.wetip.com
Chi
 
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As to why B "appeared" to 2 sources as aggravated, not herself that morning. I tend to think something was going on between her and RT. Have zero idea what. Could have been gambling by RT? Or just the thought of making this trip when she was due in Hong Kong so soon after. As in, was it sudden on RT's part to suggest it?
I realize it's been stated they did this kind of thing regularly. It was so hot that day!

I would expect other family members etc to begin to make pleas for B to come home. And yes, why isn't RT making a public plea? Most likely because his lawyer has instructed him not to.
If he, "they", are frantic, imo the best thing to do would be to plaster her flyers and info everywhere between their home and the spot he claims she went missing from.
Why would he be relying on others to do so?
Just thinking, and maybe there was substance abuse, like too much alcohol, involved? And/or early signs of dementia?
jmo and saddened
Chi
just to clarify, one source expressed she was visibly aggravated, and not her usual friendly self. the other expressed nothing unusual or out of the ordinary.
 
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