CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #6

[Kapua]

@Reasonable & Just Thanks for clarifying your post.
I should and could have been clearer myself, as I was using your post as a launching pad, to respond to the personal financial issues that several others mentioned as well.
Again, TYVM.

Clearly, they had, at the very least, good enough credit to finance a house, truck, RV, and plane, all big ticket items. Might they have another vehicle as well? Something a little better on gas mileage to putter around town in?

 

[Cherwell]

Another issue:

When LE arrived to the scene after the 911 dispatch (some hours later :-/) they set up their command post in the turnout. The turnout. Was LE not aware at that time that RT believed his wife to have been abducted when she had "crossed that road" while walking toward the truck/rv? IMO that was a misstep by LE... unless they searched/SAR-dogged the turnout before staging the command center. Something tells me they did no such a thing.

It's my impression that RT only considered abduction after the first few days of searching had failed to find Barbara.

 

[LietKynes]

All I was getting at is that I have heard the terms "naivety" and implications that it would be too difficult for him to advocate for his missing wife. I don't agree. If you can do and have all these things (whether they are straining your finances or not - we don't know), you can do better than a lawyer's milquetoast "frantically looking for information on ways to get her back" statement. That's called Google

In all seriousness, maybe he is doing more than we know. My point is that I try to take people as they present themselves, and not infantilize a grown man of apparent means.

Snipped for focus
Bolding mine

Agreed.
And I think that RT is more capable than many assume he is.

 

[Handsome Sailor]

Why are we pooh-poohing discussion of hair tints? It's not a frivolous or foolish discussion. It speaks directly to the issue "actions of a guilty person," or what the lawyers call "guilty conscience." Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi wrote a book about this, and these actions are admissible in a court of criminal law. Now I think we all agree that rt has exhibited some very bizarre post event behaviors. I still can't figure out why he'd admit publicly to failing a poly. If we go Freudian deep on the hair tint thing, it might be illuminating. To be sure, I am not saying he is guilty at all. all my humble opinion

 

[wary]

Life Ins. Policy Claims, Time Elapsed & Info/Doc’s

@Liet Kynes Thanks for your post. snipped for focus
You say, “you can reasonably assume someone is no more” and I’m agreeing w that as true in many circumstances, but not so for life ins co's or in our US judicial system generally.
Before starting to process (let alone pay) a death benefit claim, those nit-picking life insurance companies insist on having in their hands, that pesky little document: Death Certificate, which they review to verify death of the insured, for one thing.
But in this situation, MedExaminer has not issued D/Ctf for BT yet.
Before issuing a DCtf, those by-the-book stickler MedEx's insist on having a body or remains to examine and draw conclusions from, findings like cause of death and manner of death, which may or may not be homicide.
And that's why any beneficiary of a policy on BT's life (if one or more exists) would hit a wall in making a claim for benefits under that policy: No DCtf. At least for now.

A person may file a petition in court to have a MisPers 'declared dead' and to probate that person's estate, etc. but that's an entirely different issue from sumitting a life ins claim. Typically those judicial procedures are not started until yeeeeears after the person goes missing, but there are a few exceptions.
^ largely jmo ime^

Right—I used to think the waiting time was seven years. I heard recently that it’s now five. There are cases where it can happen very fast, but this is what’s standard.

MOO

 

[Nerissa]

Whelp. No one knows RTs emotions

But I'm going hazard a guess he's no wilting violet: he did interviews. He's bombastic IMO.

He admits to incriminating polygraphs (yeah yeah: LE might be lying) - this adds to his character. Seems like hes a 'bring it on' sort

He's no waif. They've got good pricey fancy stuff

Expensive toys doesn't mean there isn't debt

Why the silence on RTs part? What is he doing to recoup his wife...?

The radio silence is becoming deafening to my ears

 

[cazador]

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[al66pine]

Other Vehicle?

Clearly, they had, at the very least, good enough credit to finance a house, truck, RV, and plane, all big ticket items. Might they have another vehicle as well? Something a little better on gas mileage to putter around town in?

@Kapua Thanks for your post.
Yes, they might have another vehicle, one getting better gas mileage.

Sometmes I'm knda dense, bt missing any connection to BTs disappearance.
(Srr, sme f the vwels n m kebard are nt wrkng)
{{{ETA: now all vowels on my keyboard are feeling better & decided to work. The stubborn ones go on strike intermittently, without notice, usu just for short times}}}

 

[slowpoke]

Why are we pooh-poohing discussion of hair tints? It's not a frivolous or foolish discussion. It speaks directly to the issue "actions of a guilty person," or what the lawyers call "guilty conscience." Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi wrote a book about this, and these actions are admissible in a court of criminal law. Now I think we all agree that rt has exhibited some very bizarre post event behaviors. I still can't figure out why he'd admit publicly to failing a poly. If we go Freudian deep on the hair tint thing, it might be illuminating. To be sure, I am not saying he is guilty at all. all my humble opinion

Speaking for myself, I don’t know when he started dyeing his hair. Is it known that he just started to color it only after Barbara went missing? I could see if after that may mean something, but if he started before she went missing, I don’t see it as necessarily significant.

Maybe Barbara encouraged him to color it as maybe she was doing the same (although I’m not sure she did, as we hear both white or blond for her hair color description. Which is it?)

My elderly FIL used to color his hair which always tickled me, as he sure didn’t put any effort into anything else, appearance-wise! I always assumed he didn’t want to look way older than his wife (who colored her hair).

My thoughts only.

 

[canteloupe]

Right—I used to think the waiting time was seven years. I heard recently that it’s now five. There are cases where it can happen very fast, but this is what’s standard.

MOO

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, but in real life am a dissertating historian who finds the evolution of probate code quite interesting.

That said, Arizona courts seem to have a lower threshold for approving probate in absentia processes than California courts. A good example of Arizona's leeway is the 2013 disappearance* of Thomas "Keith" Smith (petition approved in 2014). California courts, on the other hand, appear to exercise consistent judgment on the five-year test, with exceptions only for clear evidence of catastrophic circumstances (here, acts of mass casualty not limited to nature and terror). The California probate code also requires the disappeared person to be a holder of "real property" in that state to file an absentia case, while Arizona's code makes no explicit mention of property/residence.

In Nevada, curiously, courts only require a three-year period of absence to engage the absentia process for someone who is a property holder in that state.

From these legal comparisons, I'm prompted to enquire in which states Mr. and Mrs. Thomas hold "real property"**?

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*A caveat here that many, including myself, hold a pervasive distrust of Maricopa County LE and judiciary.

**Here's the legal definition of real property

Here is also a link to a news article comparing two families' negotiations of Arizona's threshold test.

 

[Kapua]

Other Vehicle?

@Kapua Thanks for your post.
Yes, they might have another vehicle, one getting better gas mileage.

Sometmes I'm knda dense, bt missing any connection to BTs disappearance.
(Srr, sme f the vwels n m kebard are nt wrkng)

I am not 100% sure of the connection, either, but I am guessing that some posters are looking for a financial motive. MOO.

 

[al66pine]

Hair tinting? Guilty Conscience?

Why are we pooh-poohing discussion of hair tints? It's not a frivolous or foolish discussion. It speaks directly to the issue "actions of a guilty person," or what the lawyers call "guilty conscience." Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi wrote a book about this, and these actions are admissible in a court of criminal law. Now I think we all agree that rt has exhibited some very bizarre post event behaviors. I still can't figure out why he'd admit publicly to failing a poly. If we go Freudian deep on the hair tint thing, it might be illuminating. To be sure, I am not saying he is guilty at all. all my humble opinion

@Handsome Sailor Thanks for your post.
Assuming RT is coloring his hair, how does it suggest a guilty conscience?
It would be helpful to read your thoughts about when he began coloring/changing style, and why you think this may be a sign of GuiltyCon. And Freudian implications?
Thx in adv.

 

[canteloupe]

Ah and one last observation for the night:

It seems that Mr. Thomas does not have a singular preferred given name.

-The VI refers to him as "Robbie"
-One television reporter refers to him multiple times as "Bob"
-Ms. Thomas's son calls him "Rob"

These variations might be important to Ms. Thomas' extended family if calling Arizona from abroad...I've learned the hard way that many people--more than I'd ever expect--consider themselves to be the good friend of a person without even knowing that person's last name!

 

[rosesfromangels]

Why are we pooh-poohing discussion of hair tints? It's not a frivolous or foolish discussion. It speaks directly to the issue "actions of a guilty person," or what the lawyers call "guilty conscience." Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi wrote a book about this, and these actions are admissible in a court of criminal law. Now I think we all agree that rt has exhibited some very bizarre post event behaviors. I still can't figure out why he'd admit publicly to failing a poly. If we go Freudian deep on the hair tint thing, it might be illuminating. To be sure, I am not saying he is guilty at all. all my humble opinion

I think what is missing overall, is a baseline understanding of RT and what "normal" actions are for him. Maybe he is a bit on the vain side and wants his hair to look all spiffy if he is interviewed again. Maybe he is scared spitless and having his hair spiffy makes him feel a little better.

Or, he could be like a lot of men I have observed who have lost their wives....they panic. They just don't know how to be on their own. Maybe he is already on the hunt for a replacement for his beautiful wife. Does being "in the hunt" make him guilty of anything other than being an insensitive *advertiser censored*s? No, not necessarily. Some narcissistic people (if he *is* one, IDK), see people as quickly replaceable. Guilty, not necessarily - insensitive, you decide.

None of the above, IMO, means anything other than it speaks to a fixation with his hair, and looks. It's a common thing. What makes it uncommon is that his wife is missing, but that doesn't mean he hasn't always been fixated on his "golden" surfer boy locks.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[RANCH]

Ah and one last observation for the night:

It seems that Mr. Thomas does not have a singular preferred given name.

-The VI refers to him as "Robbie"
-One television reporter refers to him multiple times as "Bob"
-Ms. Thomas's son calls him "Rob"

These variations might be important to Ms. Thomas' extended family if calling Arizona from abroad...I've learned the hard way that many people--more than I'd ever expect--consider themselves to be the good friend of a person without even knowing that person's last name!

Some people use different names for me other than the one that I prefer. I don't encourage or discourage the practice.

 

[canteloupe]

Some people use different names for me other than the one that I prefer. I don't encourage or discourage the practice.

Don’t tell me you even let them call you Bleu Cheese?!

 

[Nerissa]

Don’t tell me you even let them call you Bleu Cheese?!

Took me a sec to understand what you were talking about, Watermelon

 

[kay74]

For what purpose?

I heard on here, it was a bad area so maybe someone bad got her.

 

[kay74]

I thought a picture was shown of him in blond hair with Barbara. Am I wrong?

 

[k-mac]

Hair tinting? Guilty Conscience?


@Handsome Sailor Thanks for your post.
Assuming RT is coloring his hair, how does it suggest a guilty conscience?
It would be helpful to read your thoughts about when he began coloring/changing style, and why you think this may be a sign of GuiltyCon. And Freudian implications?
Thx in adv.

I know you chasing a reply from sailor but just wanna add I see value to the point.

in fairness from old pics it does appear RT colours his hair on/off. his choice ,no biggy. tells us he's pretty vein for an old fella. but who cares?

the problem or component I myself would see inappropriate is if he POST BARB DISAPPEARANCE hair colouring.
I am a woman and reasonably vein....and I can tell you if the love of my love vanished into thin air making sure I look pretty or going for a 'new do' would not be in the mix. I would expect to be criticized for it. very shallow.

but @Handsome Sailor are you concluding about this from the pictures we have or is there something concrete to confirm in fact RT is sporting a new do?


moo