CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 8

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It's been awhile since I've been here to follow this case. How is the wife, Fontelle?

1) I wonder if perhaps the daughters felt with this 'new wife' in the picture that they would not recieve anything from Mr. Harrods inheritance.

2) I wonder if perhaps his relationship with his daughters was so bad that they didn't get together and have someone 'take him out'?
 
Suzi, I remember the video but I think it's no longer on the site. It showed JuM speaking and the patio doors in the back of the house open behind her. I did take screenshots of the video showing that. Below is the link that no longer works.
http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/81_Year_Old_Newlywed_Vanishes_in_OC_20090729

Regarding the carpet cleaning, below is from daughter RB's first post on IS on August 2, 2009.

Bob was very excited about and looking for ward to Fontelle's return. He had been working to get the house ready and extra special before her arrival. He arranged to have carpet shampooed, patio cleaned, housekeeper in, and a few repairs done, for her homecoming. For Monday, Bob had scheduled the housekeeper to get the cleaning done and a family member to help him with some repairs. Bob said he had no plans to go anywhere that day. He was left home alone for a short period during a trip to the store for some parts, just before the housekeeper was due. She got no answer at the door, when she arrived.

So RB, with this post, indicates that she was so close with her father at the time of his disappearance, she knew about a phone call changing the cleaning day...the call, iirc, happened the day of his disappearance presumed murder.

Or did she find it out after the fact?
 
So RB, with this post, indicates that she was so close with her father at the time of his disappearance, she knew about a phone call changing the cleaning day...the call, iirc, happened the day of his disappearance presumed murder.

Or did she find it out after the fact?

I would speculate she found out after the fact and wrote that to make it sound like the housekeeper coming in on Monday instead of Tuesday was not a last minute change or surprise. IMO
 
I've been following along, just haven't commented. I've been sad and troubled ... cruelty to animals, disrespect for the missing/passed on, disrespect for Fontelle, disrespect for Southern Americans. So much hatred. All of these, in my own opinion, especially the enjoyment of "joyful torture" and execution of animals, trouble me deeply. I am in complete agreement with Believe about what is indicated here.

In my opinion, the cleaning woman holds the key to the time when Bob actually disappeared. I'm repeating myself here I know, but I would love to know if she is 100% sure it was Bob she spoke to on the phone in arranging this appointment. I'm happy to see others' opinions on this woman's role in the case. It's giving me different scenarios to roll around in my head while waiting to hear if any of the remains found in the last month+ have been dear Bob's.

Love and Prayers for Fontelle and Bob!
 
FWIW, I imagine if someone other than Bob spoke to the cleaning lady they would have told her it was NOT ok to come by Monday. That's why I believe it was Bob she spoke to the morning of his disappearance.

IMO that's why LE released the information stating the last non-family member to speak with Bob occured at 10:00am via telephone. LE has not stated who spoke with Bob at 10:00am. We speculate it was the cleaning woman who called that morning since it was a last minute change to stop by Monday rather than her usual cleaning day.
 
Yes, Cubby, it's because they won't validate who it was that spoke with Bob at 10:00 that I waiver back and forth on whether or not it was really Monday that Bob went missing. Anyone with access to the house phone could have called her and changed the appointment to suit their own needs - bleach floors, clean rugs etc. or to remove the vodka that could have been theoretically spilled/poured on the rug (to remove unwanted odors) blaming it on the meeting of the night before ... you know, common everyday things like that.

At first, I too surmised it to be the cleaning lady. We know about her, yet, they aren't saying it was her. If we know about her, why wouldn't they say it was the cleaning woman? That's when I began to step back on that, and not get too cocksure on that matter.

I'm tossing things around in my head, because the timeline is pretty shaky. If it was Bob that spoke with the cleaning lady, then I'm leaning towards Bob going missing around 11:00 or between 11:00 - 1:00. If it wasn't Bob, then Bob could have gone missing between Sunday night after the meeting and before that early afternoon trip.

I also wanted to note something that I didn't comment on in regards to the Rim Of The World stuff. It is written that there were searches on horseback, posters etc. in Bob's name. Sort of gives a person that feeling that a lot of things have been done to find Bob, and bring resolution to this tragic situation.

A friend of mine and her partner are from that area. She is really hooked into true crime. She keeps abreast of more cases than I have the time to look at. I have mentioned Bob to her and her partner numerous times, and she still hasn't heard about Bob locally (online, of course). She hasn't seen one single poster. Her partner lived in Placentia when this occurred. He THINKS he might remember something happening about the time he was moving. So, somebody dropped the ball if they think they've spread this story far and wide.
 
LE has never stated whether it was an incoming or outgoing call made at 10:00am on the Monday Bob disappeared. Bobs daughters have seemingly tried to make it appear as if Bob made an outgoing call. However, if we are to believe the cleaning lady arrived a day early, (which I believe) it's more logical she contacted Bob to inquire about the change in schedule.

FWIW, I tend to believe LE verified a non family member spoke with Bob at 10:00am. I'd be less inclined to believe he was alive and well Monday am if the news regarding the am call came from anyone other than LE.

I'm sure LE is aware of what cleaning the cleaning lady did during the few hours she was at Bob's home the Monday he disappeared. What we don't know is what all daughter JuM did in addition to "changing the linens". Part of me wonders when and for what purpose the other items mentioned by daughter R, such as cleaning the patio and shampooing the carpet. Was that done to prepare the house for Mrs. Harrod, or to clean up what may have occured to Bob in his home the day he disappeared?

jmo
 
O/T Huge win for PPD on another cold murder case:

http://www.ocregister.com/news/pereda-325251-reger-placentia.html

PLACENTIA – Suspected of killing his former roommate and then stuffing her body in the trunk of her car, Raymundo Gutierrez Pereda evaded authorities' grasp for nearly 16 years.
But time was on the side of Placentia police officers, whose patience finally paid off last week when they caught up with the 70-year-old fugitive, living for years under a false name in Las Vegas.

"It seems he had cut ties with everyone, including his family," Placentia Detective David Radomski said.


 
O/T Huge win for PPD on another cold murder case:

http://www.ocregister.com/news/pereda-325251-reger-placentia.html

PLACENTIA – Suspected of killing his former roommate and then stuffing her body in the trunk of her car, Raymundo Gutierrez Pereda evaded authorities' grasp for nearly 16 years.
But time was on the side of Placentia police officers, whose patience finally paid off last week when they caught up with the 70-year-old fugitive, living for years under a false name in Las Vegas.

"It seems he had cut ties with everyone, including his family," Placentia Detective David Radomski said.

Excellent! WTG PPD! :woohoo:

This should be a clear message to whomever is responsible for Bobs disappearance and presumed murder just because the case is 27 mo's old doesn't mean they've gotten away with it. Just a matter of time, tic-toc tic-toc, tic-toc...
 
I would think that surveillance video from the Monrovia and Glendora Home Depots have been scrutinized by LE for signs of the SIL that day?

I live in this area and have never seen a poster for Mr. Harrod.
 
I came across a few old posts:

August 11, 2009 – Paula B on IS

There was a family meeting on Sunday, it was heated at times, there
were NO threats and we all left on good terms.


OC Register Article – Oct 8, 2009

Bob Harrod and his three daughters had an argument over finances the
Sunday before he vanished.

His daughter, Roberta, acknowledged the exchange, saying her father
lost his temper. She said he had failed to provide copies of their
mother's will, which he was obligated to do because of the financial
mechanisms set up by the estate.

"It wasn't a heated meeting," she said in a phone interview. "Dad
got heated. He's very selfish, very conditional. The day before he
went missing in the afternoon, he was going to provide us copies of
the will, and we went over to get the copies. He didn't have them."

OC Register Article

Feb 2, 2010 - LA times Article

The last day anyone claims to have seen Bob Harrod is July 27.

The day before he disappeared, his daughters -- Paula Borcher,
Roberta Brady and Julie Michaels -- went to his home in Placentia.
The four argued about money, police say.

LA Times Article

August 11, 2010 – RB on IS

We did NOT argue about money and we did not discuss money. Dad had
failed to live up to his obligations as trustee of our Mother's
Bypass trust and he scheduled the meeting for all of us so he could
provide beneficiary copies of reports as required by law. He told me
that he wanted to "get this over with" he said "before Fontelle
returns because it is none of her business".

Dad NEVER discussed his financial intentions about Fontelle and we
did NOT ask, as that was not our concern. That was NOT what the
meeting was about at all.

Because I pointed out that he had not provided complete sets of
documents he got really testy about it. He eventually produced most,
but not all, of what he was required to.

After that, we sat around making small talk and happy talk teasing
him about being a newlywed and about getting anxious for her return,
etc. More discussion was devoted to his need to get rid of the
barber. Although he denied it, we knew that there was much more to
that relationship than he would ever admit. I think he was ashamed
of it and we made no secret that we thought he was being used and we
felt duty bound to express that to him.
The meeting began about noon and lasted about two hours. I do not
know who he met with that night as we were all long gone by about 2pm.


And of course we have AH's statement from the welfare check:
"(AH) told me it was not like his grandfather to leave without telling anybody where he was going. Andrew continued and said that there had been fighting in the family recently and Robert was very frustrated over the situation. Andrew said his grandfather probably left to get away from the family problems."

So we have numerous references to fighting in the family...apparently heated fighting. But none of it was about Bob's money according to RB.

So what was it about? :waitasec:

Because it was it was worth noting by several sources. Oh and LE says it was about the money.
 
Well, my intuition tells me it WAS about money. After Bob's first wife died, those "kids" probably thought they were going to be Bob's only heirs. The other thing it could have been about is Fontelle...Bob remarrying...bringing a stranger into their mother's place. But even that's about money, too...because according to Bob's notes (which they could have snooped), he indeed was going to put her into his will.

I simply don't believe that Bob told them it was none of Fontelle's business. After all, he had married her.

:(
 
Daughter RB may have interpreted what her father told her in a manner entirely different than what he intended- or she is trying to explain and justify her actions. From the outside it appears Bob was subject to barraging harrasment from his daughters from the time of their mothers passing until the day he disappeared. I imagine he was trying to set some boundaries so his new wife was not subject to the same barraging harassment.

We know from Orange County Court records, the first Mrs. Harrod's WILL was filed with the courts in early 2008. There is no reason Bobs daughters couldn't go to the court house to obtain a copy themselves. If Bobs daughters didn't see their mothers will, it was no ones fault but their own by not obtaining a copy themselves through the normal channels available to them.

JMO
 
According to the comment by the author of the following article, the 10:00am call was an incoming call to Bob.

http://www2.ocregister.com/articles...RecommendedOnly=1&oncommentsPage=2#slComments


And yes, I've seen the comment which indicated PPD was not naming SIL a suspect. PPD has not publicly named anyone a suspect, but they have publicly stated who they ruled out, and what theory they have ruled out.

jmo
 
Bumping for Mr. Harrod. Thinking of you and praying for answers.
 
Excellent! WTG PPD! :woohoo:

This should be a clear message to whomever is responsible for Bobs disappearance and presumed murder just because the case is 27 mo's old doesn't mean they've gotten away with it. Just a matter of time, tic-toc tic-toc, tic-toc...

and every day is one day closer. i wonder if anyone close to this investigation has lost weight lately? or had to start taking a lot of xanax? because i just took a few minutes and thought about how i would feel if i were waiting for that knock, and just thinking about it made me sick in my stomach and teary in my eyes.
 
According to the comment by the author of the following article, the 10:00am call was an incoming call to Bob.

http://www2.ocregister.com/articles...RecommendedOnly=1&oncommentsPage=2#slComments


And yes, I've seen the comment which indicated PPD was not naming SIL a suspect. PPD has not publicly named anyone a suspect, but they have publicly stated who they ruled out, and what theory they have ruled out.

jmo

I wanted to catch up here, been sick as sick can be! I appreciate your replies, and feedback on some of the issues that are really "sticking" me. And yes, we are remembering events (and noting) the same way.

I don't want anyone thinking I'm just popping in and out "willy nilly". I've appreciated the reminders of the facts or the comments on my theories - such as they are at this time. Thank you!

I just cannot shake this virus! Regardless of how ill I've been these past 6 weeks or so, NO ONE has treated me as miserably as Bob and Fontelle Harrod have been treated.

So, bumping for Bob and Fontelle!
 
Hoping that Mr Harrod is found and comes home to his wife who loves him. Praying for some resolution.
 
Sorry, you arent going to the second page. Prayers for Mr Harrod and for JUSTICE!
 
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