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The ambien theory was my first impression also.
The ambien theory was my first impression also.
After spending some time watching the Elisa Lam elevator video online, I believe I'm formed a concept as to what happened during those moments.
Because of her lack of glasses, she couldn't remember which floor was hers, so she went to the 14th floor, because she remembered it was a middle button, perhaps confusing the floors "4" with "14". She tried to enter what she thought was her room, and this alerted the occupant of that room.
She comes back to the elevator but the original one she took is now somewhere else (that's a different tape), and she enters the 2nd elevator.
Elisa Lam Video - YouTube
Start the video.
0:07, she's trying to read the numbers, but can't, so she just hits all the buttons in the middle row, and then hits the "HOLD DOOR" button, thinking it reads, "CLOSE DOOR".
00:20, the occupant has left the apartment, is holding the elevator button in the hall, and is outside the vision of the camera. He says calmly, "hey, get out of the elevator."
00:24, she checks the hallway, and sees the man standing by the button. She positions herself to view the the man, and is waiting for the elevator doors to shut. The occupant holds the button to the elevator, and calmly asks who she is.
00:37, She approaches the man and attempts to apologize.
00:48, the occupant tells her to get out of the elevator. She shyly and slowly begins to, but sees danger.
00:53, the occupant pulls out a gun, and this causes her to jump. The occupant is now telling her to come closer to him. She doesn't understand there's a camera in the elevator, while the occupant is fully aware of this.
1:03, the occupant grabs her at gunpoint, and tells her to get out of here or he'll kill her, he probably mugs her, and he releases her.
1:30, she enters the elevator and is terrified. In a panic, she hits all the middle buttons, but she keeps hitting the "HOLD DOOR" button. The man is telling her to leave, and she doesn't understand why she can't.
1:50, the occupant hits the button again and orders her to come back. She's in tears and is trying to say she's confused.
1:57, the occupant places his gun on the back of her head, and she's pulling away, giving the strange look about her arms.
2:05, the occupant grabs her neck, and gives her a yank and tells her to shut up, and she completely submits.
2:12, she begins begging for her life.
2:20, the occupant orders her to be quiet.
2:25, the occupant leads her away from the camera by her neck, and a gun to her head.
2:45 (aporox) the occupant lets go of the elevator button.
2:58, the elevator shuts, and begins going to the floors pressed.
It is my belief she was accosted by an occupant of the 14th floor, probably someone in a room with a fire escape access to the roof. My belief she's on the 14th floor is because of this picture...
http://i.imgur.com/we6I2JX.jpg
...this is a picture of the buttons in the elevator in that video. According to this, she kept hitting all the buttons in the middle row, in this order from top down, 14, 10, 7, 4, M, B, and "HOLD DOOR". She was staying on the 4th floor, and I believe made a simple error, due to not wearing her glasses, where she picked "14".
You'll notice in the video that the top button in the middle row does not light when she presses it. That is because, as you see in the photo, it's the 14th floor, and she's already there.
What happens then till she ended up in the tank is anyone's guess, but I believe her time was very quick. Check out this news report from Stephan Chase for KTLA News, specifically the testimony of Bernard Diaz starting about 1:30 in. He talks about an "explosion" that "knocked him out of bed".
http://ktla.com/2013/02/19/womans-body-found-in-cecil-hotel-water-tank-2/#axzz2LpWbGbvH
I believe this proves my concept that the killer forced her to climb into the tank, because he then followed, stuck his gun in the tank, and then shot her. Why else would he do this, unless she was alive going in? The reason why the suspect choose the watertank, was he was hoping the tank would muffle the sound of the gunshot, which it did, but the suspect didn't count on the sound traveling through the pipes and exploding into the room of Mr. Diaz.
I suspect the body's been in the watertank since Jan.30th, and shortly after this video.
I believe the suspect is an occupant (due to his knowledge of the camera) living on the 14th floor, and has access to the roof via a fire escape. His motive was because he mugged her at gunpoint, gave her a chance to leave, and she didn't leave.
I know the police are saying that the body was placed in the tank much later, and they can't find any wounds. If this is true, then what I believe happened is the suspect missed shooting Elisa, and simply shut the lid, latched it shut, and left her to die in the tank.
I thought I read that her phone, her computer, her money and belongings were all found in her room.
After spending some time watching the Elisa Lam elevator video online, I believe I'm formed a concept as to what happened during those moments.
Because of her lack of glasses, she couldn't remember which floor was hers, so she went to the 14th floor, because she remembered it was a middle button, perhaps confusing the floors "4" with "14". She tried to enter what she thought was her room, and this alerted the occupant of that room.
She comes back to the elevator but the original one she took is now somewhere else (that's a different tape), and she enters the 2nd elevator.
Elisa Lam Video - YouTube
Start the video.
0:07, she's trying to read the numbers, but can't, so she just hits all the buttons in the middle row, and then hits the "HOLD DOOR" button, thinking it reads, "CLOSE DOOR".
00:20, the occupant has left the apartment, is holding the elevator button in the hall, and is outside the vision of the camera. He says calmly, "hey, get out of the elevator."
00:24, she checks the hallway, and sees the man standing by the button. She positions herself to view the the man, and is waiting for the elevator doors to shut. The occupant holds the button to the elevator, and calmly asks who she is.
00:37, She approaches the man and attempts to apologize.
00:48, the occupant tells her to get out of the elevator. She shyly and slowly begins to, but sees danger.
00:53, the occupant pulls out a gun, and this causes her to jump. The occupant is now telling her to come closer to him. She doesn't understand there's a camera in the elevator, while the occupant is fully aware of this.
1:03, the occupant grabs her at gunpoint, and tells her to get out of here or he'll kill her, he probably mugs her, and he releases her.
1:30, she enters the elevator and is terrified. In a panic, she hits all the middle buttons, but she keeps hitting the "HOLD DOOR" button. The man is telling her to leave, and she doesn't understand why she can't.
1:50, the occupant hits the button again and orders her to come back. She's in tears and is trying to say she's confused.
1:57, the occupant places his gun on the back of her head, and she's pulling away, giving the strange look about her arms.
2:05, the occupant grabs her neck, and gives her a yank and tells her to shut up, and she completely submits.
2:12, she begins begging for her life.
2:20, the occupant orders her to be quiet.
2:25, the occupant leads her away from the camera by her neck, and a gun to her head.
2:45 (aporox) the occupant lets go of the elevator button.
2:58, the elevator shuts, and begins going to the floors pressed.
It is my belief she was accosted by an occupant of the 14th floor, probably someone in a room with a fire escape access to the roof. My belief she's on the 14th floor is because of this picture...
http://i.imgur.com/we6I2JX.jpg
...this is a picture of the buttons in the elevator in that video. According to this, she kept hitting all the buttons in the middle row, in this order from top down, 14, 10, 7, 4, M, B, and "HOLD DOOR". She was staying on the 4th floor, and I believe made a simple error, due to not wearing her glasses, where she picked "14".
You'll notice in the video that the top button in the middle row does not light when she presses it. That is because, as you see in the photo, it's the 14th floor, and she's already there.
What happens then till she ended up in the tank is anyone's guess, but I believe her time was very quick. Check out this news report from Stephan Chase for KTLA News, specifically the testimony of Bernard Diaz starting about 1:30 in. He talks about an "explosion" that "knocked him out of bed".
http://ktla.com/2013/02/19/womans-body-found-in-cecil-hotel-water-tank-2/#axzz2LpWbGbvH
I believe this proves my concept that the killer forced her to climb into the tank, because he then followed, stuck his gun in the tank, and then shot her. Why else would he do this, unless she was alive going in? The reason why the suspect choose the watertank, was he was hoping the tank would muffle the sound of the gunshot, which it did, but the suspect didn't count on the sound traveling through the pipes and exploding into the room of Mr. Diaz.
I suspect the body's been in the watertank since Jan.30th, and shortly after this video.
I believe the suspect is an occupant (due to his knowledge of the camera) living on the 14th floor, and has access to the roof via a fire escape. His motive was because he mugged her at gunpoint, gave her a chance to leave, and she didn't leave.
I know the police are saying that the body was placed in the tank much later, and they can't find any wounds. If this is true, then what I believe happened is the suspect missed shooting Elisa, and simply shut the lid, latched it shut, and left her to die in the tank.
In the second thread I mentioned that I think the killer chose putting her into the tank or forcing her into the tank herself to buy himself the most time to escape. I imagine he disposed of the body that night and checked out THE MORNING of Feb 1st. The police would have checked into this and am sure know who theyre looking for now.
They just wont call it a suicide or homicide bcos the cause of death is OD.
This is all IMO but I believe it very strongly.
I already acknowledged it was outdated.
And look at the floor plan of the 14th floor where the mirror is and look at the CCTV footage of Elisa Lam's hallway floor.
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They don't match. The hallway wall is too short where the mirror is on the 14th floor outline picture, compared to the hallway two white pillars on the CCTV footage.
Although, now I notice a discrepancy in the floor plan picture, which excluded those two white pillars beside the wall where the mirror is located.
Welcome aboard FutzBucket.
I have to say though, there is no reason for me to believe that anybody was actually outside the hallway, holding the door elevator button.
The elevator door not closing was all due in part of Elisa Lam pressing the DOOR HOLD button and unbeknownst to it.
Welcome aboard FutzBucket.
Right at 0:13, the elevator door is about to close (as it should be) UNTIL Elisa Lam presses the final button on the bottom of the elevator panel -- which is the DOOR HOLD button. This triggers the elevator door to retract back and stay open.
He didn't leave Feb 1st ... unless he was anyway scheduled to leave then. Too cold, too controlled for such a panic reaction. And he probably flushed clothes, maybe ripped to pieces. Not the cell phone. Because if a cell phone sticks in a pipe, you won't get it out there without a plumber and some big act (ask people with four year olds ...). So, how to get rid of everything made from plastic, everything, he couldn't flush? Easiest way, take a walk the next morning and drop it in one of the public garbage cans along the street. Those things at bus stops (no native speaker, so sorry, but I can't remember the right term right now).
This is correct. She presses that weird door hold button which I am not familiar ever seeing in an elevator but has been reported to keep a door open for up to 3 minutes! Are u kidding me I dont want to wait 30 seconds let alone 3 minutes.
The door hold button is different as well than the door open and door close button.
Im not sure she ever presses door close.
Ceefry, I'm new, so still learning how to reply and all that, sorry this is sloppy.
1) The level of control. As pointed out by a member here she is very easily able to go in and out of the elevator. Had she been getting robbed this would not be the case.
That's the thing, this wasn't a robbery at first. This started as a "who the heck is this trying to get into my room".
2) Begging for her life? She shows no sign of that. Begging for your life IMO would be more of her screaming or fighting to get away from that person. She remains a certain level of calmness in this video to suggest that she knows this person.
The man has a gun, and she's unaware of the camera. The second that man pulled a gun, she lost control. As for interpreting her body language, I really don't see anything calm about her.
3) if she was shot ................. it would be reported as a homicide.
Possibly. They could be withholding information. Also, I believe I listed my thought that if she wasn't shot, then that only means the suspect missed and closed her in the tank alive to eventually die.
Also the video is taken on Feb 1st if im not mistaken around 1:23 AM.
I was under the believe this video was taken on the night of the 30th. Well, whenever Mr. Diaz heard the shot (the night before Mr. Diaz learned Elisa was missing), was when she was ordered into the tank.
Cut by me to address this point..
I thought about this for a while.. and here is the problem Turk. The timing. We can agree that, most likely, the door is set to stay open for a certain period of time.
Last night I did the math both ways, from when she first (and in my opinion DEFINITELY) hits the door hold button until the door closes and also from the second time she hits all the buttons (as close as I could see her having hit it a second time given the quality of the video) and both times were random. Not even close to something you would think would be a pre-programmed hold time.
I will do it again and present the two times..
Cut by me to address this point..
I thought about this for a while.. and here is the problem Turk. The timing. We can agree that, most likely, the door is set to stay open for a certain period of time.
Last night I did the math both ways, from when she first (and in my opinion DEFINITELY) hits the door hold button until the door closes and also from the second time she hits all the buttons (as close as I could see her having hit it a second time given the quality of the video) and both times were random. Not even close to something you would think would be a pre-programmed hold time.
I will do it again and present the two times..
An interesting read if you understand Chinese...LINK. it says a Chinese man Mr. Ren, who currently resides in L.A., checked in Cecil around 2/23 with his friends to carry out their own "investigation" and got a room on the 14th floor, and he took a snapshot of the panel in the elevator that EL walked in. The button for the 15th floor was dug out. The "door hold" button is said to be working fine and can keep the door open for a long time. (The door hold button doesn't work in the other elevator though.)
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An interesting read if you understand Chinese...LINK. it says a Chinese man Mr. Ren, who currently resides in L.A., checked in Cecil around 2/23 with his friends to carry out their own "investigation" and got a room on the 14th floor, and he took a snapshot of the panel in the elevator that EL walked in. The button for the 15th floor was dug out. The "door hold" button is said to be working fine and can keep the door open for a long time. (The door hold button doesn't work in the other elevator though.)
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THANK YOU FEI!! That is a huge piece of information and I think even gives us our main suspect. MR.R. Why would these people suspect their own friend of murder?? thats so wild.
That elevator is missing the 15th button. Thats why shes on the 14th floor because the elevator button to 15 is gone! Wow what a tip this is.
It's because a few seconds are missing in the video. The camera stops recording when there's no movement and starts again when the door closes. We can't determine the exact duration because the timestamp is unreadable, but it's most likely 3 minutes.
Hey its no problem! I enjoy reading your post because as I said its almost word for word my first impression of the situation too! However if you go back and read my theory in thread 2 I have changed my tune since significantly.
Her room isnt on the 14th floor as far as we all know. Her room was on the 4th floor.
Which asks why was she on the 14th floor? Well its pretty clear someone on that floor either knows her or she knows them because this girl has been described as acting playful which i fully agree with.
At no point in this movie do I see terror on this girl. Which to me completely eliminates a gun or robbery.