CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #4

[FutzBucket]

Dude, get a grip. You can post your theories, but if some don't see it that way, well, that's how it works for everyone. The more adamant and indignant you are in presenting your theories, the harder it is to understand your content. You set up an affective filter in others.

This is a casual offering of my assessment of your plight. I hope you can reconcile it all.

Yes, I think you're completely right.

 

[houndstooth]

My guess would be that LL are her Chinese initials. Most Chinese people I know, even if not born in China have both a Chinese and an "English" name. The other possibility is that the first L is a play on people calling her "El" short for "Elisa"

just a thought (or two)

Where did the original info on this being her tumblr come from?

And to the locals in Canada, has a formal obituary been written and published anywhere?

And to the Chinese posters, what is the custom of death announcements?

Thanks for all replies.

 

[Turk February]

I don't know anything. You all are the experts.

I want a source link from you -- saying where her body was discovered by police between Feb.14th-16th.

Originally Posted by FutzBucket
The police believe that she was placed in the tank around the 14th - 16th of Feb. They base this upon her level of decay, and people started complaining of a weird taste and blackish water about the 16th.

 

[FutzBucket]

I think we should concentrate on the graffiti.

 

[anansie]

LL as her Chinese initials won't work. There is no way that her Chinese name will come anything close to LL (Unless the Chinese name that's been publishing isn't her real Chinese name).

I'm just following this train of thought here suggested by previous posters that LL could be her Chinese name.

Four_seasons is right. LL as initials for a Chinese name just won't work with the Chinese name of Elisa's that's been published all over Chinese news media.

The only other possibility I can think of for the idea that LL is her name initials in some form or another... is that it might be a nickname in Cantonese. I'm of Chinese (specifically Cantonese) descent, just like Elisa, and I've been given a nickname by my family from babyhood (which is a 2 character nickname, the 1st character is a character from my actual Chinese name pronounced in the Cantonese dialect, and the 2nd character is just another Chinese word (pronounced in the Cantonese way - actually several members of my family have similar sort of nicknames made up of 2 characters - one from the actual name and one other word)... so maybe... I dunno, LL could be... "Lam Lui" ? "Lui" means young girl in Cantonese.

But here's where I doubt this is the case for her.

Calling her "Lam Lui" makes little sense to me since it basically translates to "young girl Lam" and since she also has another sister, it seems silly to call Elisa that because her sister would be that too, technically... and 2 girls with the same nickname in the family just seems a bit silly lol

Without knowing her close family and friend circle, we can never verify if she ever had any sort of nickname that close ones call her by.

I'm inclined to just take this lead with a grain of salt for now..

 

[necco]

I'm just following this train of thought here suggested by previous posters that LL could be her Chinese name.

Four_seasons is right. LL as initials for a Chinese name just won't work with the Chinese name of Elisa's that's been published all over Chinese news media.

The only other possibility I can think of for the idea that LL is her name initials in some form or another... is that it might be a nickname In Cantonese. I'm of Chinese (specifically Cantonese) descent, just like Elisa, and I've been given a nickname by my family (which is a 2 character nickname, the 1st character is a character from my actual Chinese name pronounced in the Cantonese dialect, and the 2nd character is just another Chinese word (pronounced in the Cantonese way - actually several members of my family have similar sort of nicknames made up of 2 characters - one from the actual name and one other word)... so maybe... I dunno, LL could be... "Lam Lui" ? "Lui" means young girl in Cantonese.

But here's where I doubt this is the case for her.

Calling her "Lam Lui" makes little sense to me since it basically translates to "young girl Lam" and since she also has another sister, it seems silly to call Elisa that because her sister would be that too, technically... and 2 girls with the same nickname in the family just seems a bit silly lol

Without knowing her close family and friend circle, we can never verify if she ever had any sort of nickname that close ones call her by.

I'm inclined to just take this lead with a grain of salt for now..

Thanks. Somehow, I haven't seen her Chinese name, so I was just tossing out an idea. Then again, some people's nicknames have NOTHING to do with their actual name, so I think you're right that it is probably a non-issue.

 

[jp111]

Lisa Lam

search for "Elisa Lam Death: Friends Call Her Caring and Conscientious, Autopsy Result Inconclusive"

"Miss you Lisa" reads a post uploaded by a friend of Elisa Lam seen holding her close to him in his Facebook profile picture.

 

[houndstooth]

Thanks. Somehow, I haven't seen her Chinese name, so I was just tossing out an idea. Then again, some people's nicknames have NOTHING to do with their actual name, so I think you're right that it is probably a non-issue.

I've not seen her Chinese name either, nor her parent's names.
Does anyone know or have a link to this?
Also, if anyone knows the questions I had in my previous post, I hope
you reply.

 

[anansie]

Ah yes, thanks jp111. That makes sense now. Do you know her personally? Welcome to the forum btw

 

[necco]

Her friend calls her Lisa.

Lisa Lam

Ouch. That was a painfully obvious nickname and yet somehow, I missed it. That makes way more sense than "El"="L"

 

[houndstooth]

Her friend calls her Lisa.

Lisa Lam

Must not be known that way to all her friends.
She signed the postcard, "Elisa".

 

[anansie]

I've not seen her Chinese name either, nor her parent's names.
Does anyone know or have a link to this?
Also, if anyone knows the questions I had in my previous post, I hope
you reply.

All the Chinese media have been calling her 蓝可儿. I've always thought that must be her real name.

Example of Chinese media calling her that :
http://news.cn.yahoo.com/ypen/20130302/1633648.html

 

[medsleuth]

Has anyone at all from the hotel claimed to have interacted with EL while staying there? Hostels can be fun places where you meet other young people from around the world and do fun stuff. There was the gal from the book store next door who said EL was acting entirely normal just a day before the disappearance.

 

[necco]

Must not be known that way to all her friends.
She signed the postcard, "Elisa".

What people call you and how you sign your name are often different, even how you introduce yourself. I am forever introducing myself as my full name, but no one calls me that and I don't really even answer to it, but because it is my proper full name, my etiquette lessons from childhood compel me to use it when meeting someone new.

 

[jetsetsam]

One value of the graffiti, and the extent of it, is that it basically refutes the implication that the roof is inaccessible, made by the LAPD when they stated that access to the roof was via an alarmed and locked door.

Another value of the graffiti lies in the authors of the graffiti. If the LAPD could identify the authors, they could speak with them and gain a better understanding of the people who access the roof and the activities that occur up there.

But as far as secret codes in the graffiti, or that it was authored by Elisa, forget it.

 

[houndstooth]

All the Chinese media have been calling her 蓝可儿. I've always thought that must be her real name.

Example of Chinese media calling her that :
http://news.cn.yahoo.com/ypen/20130302/1633648.html

Could you "Aglicize" that please?


PS

Interesting photo of a lone guy peering into the wrong tank!

 

[Sillybilly]

Where did the original info on this being her tumblr come from?

And to the locals in Canada, has a formal obituary been written and published anywhere?

And to the Chinese posters, what is the custom of death announcements?

Thanks for all replies.

On Feb 6 WSr ColdPizza made the following post (and stating the account was locked down tight):

from:
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8817324&postcount=3"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013[/ame]

IIRC, kenmore took it from there to discover the other accounts. When concern was expressed about whether these accounts belonged to Elisa, it was subsequently verified by a Mod that we could discuss these social media accounts.

My concern is, if that account was locked down tight, how was it determined that it did in fact belong to Elisa. We know there are other FB accounts out there with pics of her, that aren't her account.

Other than it states on the tumblr profile page that this is a student from Vancouver, I don't see one pic of anything in Vancouver. That strikes me as odd for someone who grew up here. Most Vancouverites are proud to post pics of such a beautiful homeland.

Haven't seen anything up this way wrt an obituary or service of any kind.

Anyway, dunno for sure. Am keeping an open mind, all the while hoping it isn't some elaborate ruse and somebody's isn't sitting back there doing $h!ts & giggles.

 

[houndstooth]

What people call you and how you sign your name are often different, even how you introduce yourself. I am forever introducing myself as my full name, but no one calls me that and I don't really even answer to it, but because it is my proper full name, my etiquette lessons from childhood compel me to use it when meeting someone new.

I thought we were discussing how her friends knew her, not how she introduced herself to someone. If she thought of herself enough as "Lisa",
to use LL for her alleged tumblr account, and supposedly her friends knew her as "Lisa", according to a poster, then it would follow her friend she sent a postcard to would have it signed "Lisa" not "Elisa".

 

[necco]

I thought we were discussing how her friends knew her, not how she introduced herself to someone. If she thought of herself enough as "Lisa",
to use LL for her alleged tumblr account, and supposedly her friends knew her as "Lisa", according to a poster, then it would follow her friend she sent a postcard to would have it signed "Lisa" not "Elisa".

We were. I was trying to point out that people often call themselves something different from what their friends call them. Or that different friends may call her different things. And she may sign her name differently depending on what she's writing or who she is writing to.

 

[anansie]

I think someone in the hotel other than reception MUST have spoken or interacted with her. I mean, it seems impossible that no one did if she was as bubbly as the media interviewees have described.

I'm really surprised that media channels all seem to be saying along the lines of "Everyone in the hotel say they haven't seen her with ANYBODY". I mean, that just doesn't make sense. Unless she has been holed up in her room all day long, depressed, antisocial, shy, or whatever. Yet the accounts of her by friends totally go against the idea of someone who is like this. And since she has been seen by the Last Bookshop owner, talking to people a lot, it seems she wasn't in her "down" phase...

I don't know...

And I do wonder if there is a culture of silence and secrecy within the hotel too. I mean, in some gangland neighbourhoods in some places, its well known that people don't rat on their neighbours no matter what happened, even if someone got killed, because there might be serious repercussions if they did.

I mean I don't know what its like for the residents who live long term in the Cecil. Some of them might actually have heard about what really happened at least, but why is no one saying anything? No one spoke to her? Or seen her? Just sounds really fishy to me.

I hope the cops are on to this case even if they are not telling us anything.