Trezelle's attorneys barely bother to ask cross, especially the children but there is Stallings going on long repetitive questioning to a tired 12 y/o that had little value to JWs defense.
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I hope the juror's feel the same way we do regarding her tactics ...
Yes, it is apparent their deaths were not accidents or a mistake, they were purposely abused and neglected. I would not say the 12 y/o was complicit though. He only knew about the death of Orrin because he lived in the home and witnessed it. He did not participate in anything but to keep a secret his parents asked of him out of fear of losing his family.
Did you hear her questioning the boy late in the day going over and over with questions that had no rhyme or reason? They seemed to be going no where and only tired and confused the boy.
I noticed she started getting confused herself in her questioning.
I could not understand why she was doing this in that manner. She seems poorly trained and lacking proper skills.
JW may have grounds for appeal.
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If JW had any love for her kids she would have plead for mercy and gave up Trezelle and where the boys were placed.
Maybe she could have worked a deal to get a short sentence and be back out to be with her 2 children even if raised by someone else.
But she is ride or die like TW stated and she is guilty of the abuse too so hopefully she will never get to raise another child again.
Maybe she could have worked a deal to get a short sentence and be back out to be with her 2 children even if raised by someone else.
But she is ride or die like TW stated and she is guilty of the abuse too so hopefully she will never get to raise another child again.
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Did you hear the testimony from the older sibling of the other two adoptive boys? She’s so far the one who is doing most of the mistreatment, unless I’ve missed something mentioning Trezell?
The joke with her Mom regarding missing socks? Does that sound like someone who truly cared or was intimidated by her husband?
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omg...that poor young fellow
what a terrible burden to bare.
My heart aches for him....and the heavy load he is carrying for CLASSIC and CINCERE (orrin and orson)
Let's pray it is enough.
Can not see a prepubescent child inventing seeing and feeling the horror of death.
It stacks up for me because he still doesn't see the true reality of what happened or the crime committed or that his parents are evil.
It has the reality and truth from a child, without the depth of comprehension.
thank you so much xx
omg...that poor young fellow
what a terrible burden to bare.
My heart aches for him....and the heavy load he is carrying for CLASSIC and CINCERE (orrin and orson)
Let's pray it is enough.
Can not see a prepubescent child inventing seeing and feeling the horror of death.
It stacks up for me because he still doesn't see the true reality of what happened or the crime committed or that his parents are evil.
It has the reality and truth from a child, without the depth of comprehension.
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Now I understand why this trial is not being live streamed. Very say that these boys must testify for justice to be served.
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Another day of trial. Sigh.
At least the children are finished for now. I am sure Stallings will have them back next week.
Bring on the grandmas!!!!!!
You are correct in we have only heard about JW being abusive but something about him carrying that stick around for defense makes me think she is not alone in the abuse. He may have only just helped with chopping up food and putting it in a baby bottle and not getting help for Orrin when he was dying and possibly disposing of the children bodies.
Wanda West, TW's mother is testifying via Zoom. She is visiting her other son.
She lived on Potomac back in 2020 when children were reported missing.
Showing photo ?
She would visit the children at Casa Loma Apts 2 or 3 times a month in 2020.
She stopped going to visit in March of 2020 because of covid.
She is describing all of her grandchildren.
She agreed to assist in the move by keeping the boys in Cal City.
She did not have a car but rented a truck for them to move in Set.
She rented a car for her to drive to Cal City.
She picked up the car on the 18th of Sept.
She reserved the truck for TW to pick up at 2pm. ( I did not catch what day )
She had the 4 boys and did not ask where the were. She thought they were with Grandma Mary Martinez.
She assumed that Orrin and Orson were with the other Grandma because she usually babysat them.
( This woman comes across very believable. )
She usually was told Orrin and Orson were in the van saying hello as the 4 other boys were dropped off.
She did not see Orrin and Orson.
She did not see Orrin and Orson when the parents returned from Bakersfield around 11pm.
She woke up saw them in kitchen.
U haul called/texted about returning truck at 9am but she needed until 2pm on the 19th Sept.
She was asleep the night they were unloading boxes.
She went to the Haul with TW to rent truck one more day.++++++++++++++++++++++++ Important I think.
( I am having hard time typing all she is explaining ) Checking tweets
Discussing the activities of Sept. 20th 2020.
The truck was returned around 11 am Sept 20, 2020.
She did not see Orrin or Orson the day of Sept. 20, 2020.
She drove TW back fromU Haul
She went back home with TW to the apts to get the van. Casa Loma
JW stayed in Cal City with the 4 boys.
TW drove home to Cal City.
She saw him in van behind him driving out and turn right on Lotus Lane.
She turned Left to go home to Madison Ave.
She lived on Potomac back in 2020 when children were reported missing.
Showing photo ?
She would visit the children at Casa Loma Apts 2 or 3 times a month in 2020.
She stopped going to visit in March of 2020 because of covid.
She is describing all of her grandchildren.
She agreed to assist in the move by keeping the boys in Cal City.
She did not have a car but rented a truck for them to move in Set.
She rented a car for her to drive to Cal City.
She picked up the car on the 18th of Sept.
She reserved the truck for TW to pick up at 2pm. ( I did not catch what day )
She had the 4 boys and did not ask where the were. She thought they were with Grandma Mary Martinez.
She assumed that Orrin and Orson were with the other Grandma because she usually babysat them.
( This woman comes across very believable. )
She usually was told Orrin and Orson were in the van saying hello as the 4 other boys were dropped off.
She did not see Orrin and Orson.
She did not see Orrin and Orson when the parents returned from Bakersfield around 11pm.
She woke up saw them in kitchen.
U haul called/texted about returning truck at 9am but she needed until 2pm on the 19th Sept.
She was asleep the night they were unloading boxes.
She went to the Haul with TW to rent truck one more day.++++++++++++++++++++++++ Important I think.
( I am having hard time typing all she is explaining ) Checking tweets
Discussing the activities of Sept. 20th 2020.
The truck was returned around 11 am Sept 20, 2020.
She did not see Orrin or Orson the day of Sept. 20, 2020.
She drove TW back fromU Haul
She went back home with TW to the apts to get the van. Casa Loma
JW stayed in Cal City with the 4 boys.
TW drove home to Cal City.
She saw him in van behind him driving out and turn right on Lotus Lane.
She turned Left to go home to Madison Ave.
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Asking about TW visiting her at her house on Dec. 5th 2020 but does not recall it.
She is reading texts about renting car with TW.
She texts Dec 4 about what time he is coming on the 5th ( I think)
She does not remember this.
The answer from TW says he would be there in the morning.
She thinks it is to bring the dogs over so they can move.??????????
She could not find matching robes for Orrin and Orson for Christmas and told the parents could get matching pjs.
TW says in texts he received robe. Yoh!
Dec 16th 2020 texts to them. She wants a pic of family in their robes.
She says she did not get pic because she did not get to celebrate Christmas ( SHE IS CRYING RIGHT NOW )
( I believe this woman, MOO )
Texts about keeping boys the 19th to Christmas.
She is discussing the day the 4 boys were dropped off to her on the 19th of Dec, 2020.
She went to the credit union with TW and JW to get money for gas.
It was dark and she was told Orrin and Orson were asleep in the back of van with them but she did not see them.
She was in the front seat, JW was behind here. She could not see in the back were the boys sat.
She could not hear anything in the back of van music was on.
She does not recall if she or TW got out at the bank.
She never saw video of her getting out of van to the bank. She does not recall this.
She did not hear or see Orrin or Orson in the van. ( Her attitude has changed a great deal )
She was in the van 20 min. and did not see or hear either boy.
She did not make attempt to say goodbye when she got out at home.
She was told they were asleep.
She had not seen them in 10 months.
Discussing Dec. 22th 2020 taking care of boys.
On Dec. 22th she heard Bakersfield PD at the door
Police spoke to her and her husband and Josiah Tw's brother.
Got a call for the forensics on the 4 boys.
She had the boys at Jameson to get the tests and went home with them. She thought everything was clear.
They came to get the boys from her.
She got visitation a month later along with the parents.
She got visits once a month since they were taken.
She is reading texts about renting car with TW.
She texts Dec 4 about what time he is coming on the 5th ( I think)
She does not remember this.
The answer from TW says he would be there in the morning.
She thinks it is to bring the dogs over so they can move.??????????
She could not find matching robes for Orrin and Orson for Christmas and told the parents could get matching pjs.
TW says in texts he received robe. Yoh!
Dec 16th 2020 texts to them. She wants a pic of family in their robes.
She says she did not get pic because she did not get to celebrate Christmas ( SHE IS CRYING RIGHT NOW )
( I believe this woman, MOO )
Texts about keeping boys the 19th to Christmas.
She is discussing the day the 4 boys were dropped off to her on the 19th of Dec, 2020.
She went to the credit union with TW and JW to get money for gas.
It was dark and she was told Orrin and Orson were asleep in the back of van with them but she did not see them.
She was in the front seat, JW was behind here. She could not see in the back were the boys sat.
She could not hear anything in the back of van music was on.
She does not recall if she or TW got out at the bank.
She never saw video of her getting out of van to the bank. She does not recall this.
She did not hear or see Orrin or Orson in the van. ( Her attitude has changed a great deal )
She was in the van 20 min. and did not see or hear either boy.
She did not make attempt to say goodbye when she got out at home.
She was told they were asleep.
She had not seen them in 10 months.
Discussing Dec. 22th 2020 taking care of boys.
On Dec. 22th she heard Bakersfield PD at the door
Police spoke to her and her husband and Josiah Tw's brother.
Got a call for the forensics on the 4 boys.
She had the boys at Jameson to get the tests and went home with them. She thought everything was clear.
They came to get the boys from her.
She got visitation a month later along with the parents.
She got visits once a month since they were taken.
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She was asked by grand jury who she spoke to in the van on Dec. 19th 2020.
She does not remember the conversation.
She does not remember asking about the boys then.
She assumed the boys were at Grandmas. But was told they were asleep in van.
( There was something about her telling a grand jury about not seeing the boys in the van )
( I can not get KGET tweets updated to check my errors )
15 min. break
She does not remember the conversation.
She does not remember asking about the boys then.
She assumed the boys were at Grandmas. But was told they were asleep in van.
( There was something about her telling a grand jury about not seeing the boys in the van )
( I can not get KGET tweets updated to check my errors )
15 min. break
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How can you be in a van, told kids are asleep in the back, and not "see" them?! We have a Honda Odyssey, I would sure as heck know if there were kids in the back.
They are toddlers, they would still be in car seats. Any van I have ever driven, or been in, you can see if there are kids in the van, in car seats.
They are toddlers, they would still be in car seats. Any van I have ever driven, or been in, you can see if there are kids in the van, in car seats.
She said it was dark. She was in the front passenger. I would think she would want to see them at least, it had been 10 months since she had seen them. She may have poor eyesight or just was used to not seeing them.
I do not think she is trying to cover for her son but may have not been that close to Orrin and Orson because they were not around with her much.
( Sorry, late )
She is crying.
Hennessy is giving her cross exam right now.
Officer Hansen came to her house to interview her , her husband Phillip, brother Josiah and the 4 boys.
She said it was her in the background crying in the video of the boys being interviewed by officer Hansen.
She said it was shocking hear the Wests called monsters.
She said she cooperated , she wanted to know the truth.
She can not recall if she was told that it was a murder investigation that morning, only abduction.
Hennessy asked if she remembers telling FBI she had not seen 2 boys in April or May, she said no it was March.
( Hennessy is very pleasant to listen to )
They took covid seriously, she knew people who died.
Because of covid the parents usually did drive by's with the kids to say hi. ( prompting laughter )
Hennessy asked if it was policy to not give pics of kids after adoption began.
She said she asked not to send pics of boys so they would not be on social media.
She said it the Wests policy to not send pics of the kids.
Hennessy is asking about the day of the move to Cal City Sept 2020
She heard them come in the night of Sept 18th 2020.She woke them up next day to rent truck another day.
She said she did not see Orrin and Orson because she did not usually take care of them.
She said she did not have the boys because they had learning disabilities and cried a lot and she could not give the time they needed.
She said she tried to get custody of the four boys because they were her family.
Wanda said she was told by the bio older child that he spoke about the case with a case worker and other person.
She was not threatened by LE, but by You Tubers.
She is excused.
She is crying.
Hennessy is giving her cross exam right now.
Officer Hansen came to her house to interview her , her husband Phillip, brother Josiah and the 4 boys.
She said it was her in the background crying in the video of the boys being interviewed by officer Hansen.
She said it was shocking hear the Wests called monsters.
She said she cooperated , she wanted to know the truth.
She can not recall if she was told that it was a murder investigation that morning, only abduction.
Hennessy asked if she remembers telling FBI she had not seen 2 boys in April or May, she said no it was March.
( Hennessy is very pleasant to listen to )
They took covid seriously, she knew people who died.
Because of covid the parents usually did drive by's with the kids to say hi. ( prompting laughter )
Hennessy asked if it was policy to not give pics of kids after adoption began.
She said she asked not to send pics of boys so they would not be on social media.
She said it the Wests policy to not send pics of the kids.
Hennessy is asking about the day of the move to Cal City Sept 2020
She heard them come in the night of Sept 18th 2020.She woke them up next day to rent truck another day.
She said she did not see Orrin and Orson because she did not usually take care of them.
She said she did not have the boys because they had learning disabilities and cried a lot and she could not give the time they needed.
She said she tried to get custody of the four boys because they were her family.
Wanda said she was told by the bio older child that he spoke about the case with a case worker and other person.
She was not threatened by LE, but by You Tubers.
She is excused.
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I can see where, with the recommendation to rear face car seats for toddlers as long as possible it could be entirely possible that she might not have seen where they would have been(had they actually been there, which I don't believe they were. ) jmo
I do not think it allowed to reverse seat car seats, that was changed years ago. But yes, they were not in the van.