CA - Court upholds Menendez brothers' convictions

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Abusers often threaten their victims so the abuse remains a secret.

This isn't about children who are intimidated by authority. These two men, aged 18 and 21 at the time of the murders, had their entire lives ahead of them. They should have done what many people age 18-21 do: get a job, find a place to live, build a life and a future for themselves. I don't believe for a moment that two athletes with active social lives couldn't figure that out.

There's has long been a debate about whether murderers can blame an unfortunate childhood on their decision to kill people. Many have tried. The answer is no. Ted Bundy cannot blame his childhood family dysfunction for his decision to kidnap, torture, and murder young women.

If Lyle and Erik believe that they were mistreated during childhood, they should have reported their parents. They had options, they made choices, and they should live with the consequences.

 

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If Gisèle Pelicot shot her husband to prevent more rape from happening again, I wonder if people would be more compassionate because she's a woman.

Both Gisele and the M brothers were raped repeatedly for years.
Both Gisele and the brothers had pornographic photos taken of them.
Both patriarchs are sexual sadists.

Gisele had the benefit of age, the brothers didn't.

Pornographic photos of Lyle and Erik Menendez?

Menendez brothers burst into tears during emotional prison reunion after decades apart

Erik and Lyle Menendez are now both in the same San Diego prison.

abcnews.go.com

 

[housewife]

yes and sociopaths often make up lies and gaslight people into thinking they're the victims

What parts of the sexual abuse were lies?

 

[housewife]

Pornographic photos of Lyle and Erik Menendez?

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Menendez brothers burst into tears during emotional prison reunion after decades apart

Erik and Lyle Menendez are now both in the same San Diego prison.

abcnews.go.com

That photo seems sad. That is not the one I'm talking about.

We cannot post the photo of the boys as children, naked.

 

[housewife]

If Lyle and Erik believe that they were mistreated during childhood,

EDITED TO ADD: We all know about the pin torture, right?
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It's not a belief.
Sadistic abuse is much more than "mistreatment".

I look at push pins in a new way since this case.

 

[otto]

That photo seems sad. That is not the one I'm talking about.

We cannot post the photo of the boys as children, naked.

All the trial evidence is available online, and posting a link to trial evidence shouldn't be a problem. The above photo is the only one I'm aware of that was argued to be pornographic. It isn't.

 

[housewife]

All the trial evidence is available online, and posting a link to trial evidence shouldn't be a problem. The above photo is the only one I'm aware of that was argued to be pornographic. It isn't.

"Pictures were found of the brothers' naked bodies at 6 and 8 years old which had their heads cut off and focused on their genitals. The envelope containing those photographs had their mother's handwriting on it that said "*Erik's 6th birthday*".

Second link:
In the first trial the defense introduced into evidence an envelope (exhibit 219) containing a set of negatives (exhibit 220) made from a single roll of film. They also introduced the proof sheet of these negatives as well as prints of these negatives (exhibits 221 through 234). These exhibits were received into evidence without objection by the prosecution. The prosecution now objects to the defendants presenting exhibits during opening statements."

 

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"Pictures were found of the brothers' naked bodies at 6 and 8 years old which had their heads cut off and focused on their genitals. The envelope containing those photographs had their mother's handwriting on it that said "*Erik's 6th birthday*".

Second link:
In the first trial the defense introduced into evidence an envelope (exhibit 219) containing a set of negatives (exhibit 220) made from a single roll of film. They also introduced the proof sheet of these negatives as well as prints of these negatives (exhibits 221 through 234). These exhibits were received into evidence without objection by the prosecution. The prosecution now objects to the defendants presenting exhibits during opening statements."

Were the photos of two children without their heads, or were they photos of genitals? Can't be both.

The photos of the headless children were in an envelop with their mother's handwriting. What is the date on the negatives or photos, or was there no date? Were the photos in the original envelop for developing film, or was that missing?

Presenting evidence during opening statements is not the norm, is it?

I'm unable to connect the dots between 2 photos of children without heads allegedly belonging to their mother, and Jose Menendez being a sex offender.

Was this evidence collected by investigators, or produced at a later time by a third party.