CA CA - Ember Graham, 7 mos, Happy Valley, 2 Jul 2015 - #3

[katydid23]

If the pacifier was in her mouth in the store, does that mean she was still alive? I assume so because otherwise it would just fall out. So that answers one question I had. I was suspicious that she was already gone at that point.

If she was alive in the store, then where did he go on his little one hour drive? He had no reason to go look for a burial site if she was alive and breathing. I cannot accept that he purposely drove off with the intent to go dispose of her...makes no sense. I just can't....

So did she maybe die in the middle of the night and he went on a journey in the darkness of dawn...?

 

[cvaldez1975]

where are you baby?

obviously he was near ono at some point if the pacifier was there

 

[kimi_SFC]

--video interview w/ Jamie @ link.

http://www.redding.com/news/local-news/mother-holds-out-hope-for-missing-daughter_47014010

--more@link.

(Snipped for space)

Thank you for posting this link. JG was accompanied by Trudy Nickens of @NorCalAlliance1 and her father for this interview. I find it interesting that they say they want to bring the focus back onto Ember from Social Media, but it is clear that this is a major point of the interview to them IMO.

[...]

He (JG's father) chided critics for playing detective on social media.

“For the people who are just sitting on the computer, how about you come out here? How about you go trampling through the star-thistle and the poison oak all day long. Because you don’t know what that feels like,” Jamie Graham said.

“All you’re doing is speculating, and that’s not getting us anywhere.”

Jamie Graham’s family is planning a search for baby Ember on Saturday and is asking for the public’s participation.

Participants are asked to register at the Cloverdale trailhead, in the area of Cloverdale and Clear Creek roads by presenting identification and signing a confidentiality agreement. [The search will be between 8 a.m. to 4 p.m.
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Although I understand the frustration and defensiveness (to an extent), in a world where SM is the norm, and utilized by the POI, JG, the family, FBE, and community (including sleuthers who truly care about Baby Ember), this is asking for more than is possible, I'm afraid. It is going to happen. Besides, there are a whole lot of people who care about Baby Ember beyond Shasta County who simply aren't able to help in the physical search (and certainly would if they could!).
Perhaps their focus shouldn't be on what's happening on the internet. They're utilizing it to help Find Ember, so there are certain (not always positive) aspects that come with it. They should know that going in (and if they didn't, they do now). :sigh:
It has happened in many of the MP case I've seen/sleuthed, in some manner (you start with the family and work your way outward, especially when stranger abduction has been ruled out).
You can't always control the "court of public opinion" and how you interact with said public (especially the "FindVictimName" Facebook pages). Also, what LE does (and doesn't) say has a major affect on how this all plays out.
Finding Ember Skye should be what unites everyone. I remember saying that a while back. It is very saddening to me to read that she is causing division of any kind. The
Community cares, and for that, JG is very blessed. You can't tell people how to care, and they are suspicious by nature. That's human nature. I hope I'm making sense here.
:moo:
#FindEmberSkye


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[ILikeToBendPages]

So, as I understand, is that his cousin girlfriend saw MG holding baby Ember before he want to the store and she was OK? Not fussy? then Ember is seen in the store with her pacifier in her mouth, and her daddy then took her on an hour long ride because she was fussy? How long of a drive is it to where her pacifier was found? I only saw the eleven minute sped up video, and haven't heard how long a drive it is at a normal (?) speed. Was it found anywhere near the water towers he said he turned around at?

I'm sorry little mama is upset, but they also invited and asked the public on social media for information regarding Ember and her daddy. Much like Cindy Anthony and her rage at the media and people, after she told them to get off their asses and find her grand daughter, but didn't put much effort into it then hanging around a parking lot handing out flyers and glad handing. And many times loved ones have been found by those that sit behind a computer and use social media and other tools.

 

[GGE]

I just wanted to pre-welcome the influx of new people we might get to this thread soon (threw a referral or two out there to some good people). <3 hope to see you all posting soon, please join. :seeya:

 

[nikb]

The earlier reasons to withhold evidence are no longer reasons to withhold evidence, unless they don't want people out searching. In that case, the only thing to withhold is location information. From the very beginning I have been wondering why the car seat was never mentioned. Other questions I have are about what kinds of diapers she wore, and details about her blankets and toys. What is accounted for, what is missing?
Did the pacifier fall out of Ember's mouth while she was alive, or did it fall off her lap because she wasn't? :thinking: Would cadaver dogs alert if the pacifier had the smell they are looking for?

All good points. The pacifier is a difficult one for me. I see kids fling them, drop them, etc. all the time, so it keeps me wondering did she fling it out of the car? Did it get dropped if/when the door was opened, for example if it was on the floor? Or did it get dropped while she was being carried somewhere? All seem plausible to me. Knowing she had it and was apparently using it at the store is.. interesting and heartbreaking at the same time.

The car seat really confuses me. I don't understand why they aren't releasing more info on this, even if it's just to say "we have her car seat and we're running forensics." If they don't have it, don't they want help looking for it? And if they do, what would it hurt to make a very general statement?

On the other stuff, I assume at least a handful of people would know about the diapers she wears/wore but maybe she had different ones at different houses, or it depended on what was on sale that week, that kind of thing? If there was in fact a move going on I can see where accounting for blankets, toys, etc. might be confusing too.

 

[MsMarple]

So, as I understand, is that his cousin girlfriend saw MG holding baby Ember before he want to the store and she was OK? Not fussy? then Ember is seen in the store with her pacifier in her mouth, and her daddy then took her on an hour long ride because she was fussy? How long of a drive is it to where her pacifier was found? I only saw the eleven minute sped up video, and haven't heard how long a drive it is at a normal (?) speed. Was it found anywhere near the water towers he said he turned around at?

RSBM

The cousin's g/f said she saw MG and Ember after he went to the Happy Stop market:

A neighbor on the Noosha Lane property recalled seeing Matthew Graham on Wednesday after he returned from Happy Stop Market.

Sara Chabino said Graham stopped to get water and had Ember in his arms. She said she did not see the time and only knows that it was before the sun went down on Wednesday.

http://www.redding.com/news/local-news/graham-to-be-freed-from-jail

The YouTube video drive starts at a market in Ono. The poster claims it's the exact spot where the pacifier was found in her comments but I believe that's not true.

The pacifier was found on the night of July 10. I tracked down and matched the location to video of that day's search and it is not the area the YouTube poster drove from.

Here's my post:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Valley-2-July-2015-3&p=11943246#post11943246

This area:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/8... 1!3m1!1s0x54d31e619d970045:0x45352cc049ede84

perfectly matches the video the Redding Record Searchlight posted on YouTube which was uploaded on July 10.

[video=youtube;QuH1TCvOSYw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuH1TCvOSYw[/video]

Google Maps says the mileage from the Happy Stop market to that area is 17.6 miles and a 30 minute drive, presumably obeying the speed limit.

 

[Mountain]

http://www.redding.com/news/local-news/mother-holds-out-hope-for-missing-daughter_47014010

My internet was slow listening to this so I may have missed it. Can someone confirm that she NEVER once asked If someone has Ember ....please bring her back? Mathew claimed an abduction correct? I did hear her say she could be alive or dead. IDK but I find that strange. Am I wrong about that?? I would be begging and pleading with the potential abductor.

 

[klily444]

The earlier reasons to withhold evidence are no longer reasons to withhold evidence, unless they don't want people out searching. In that case, the only thing to withhold is location information. From the very beginning I have been wondering why the car seat was never mentioned. Other questions I have are about what kinds of diapers she wore, and details about her blankets and toys. What is accounted for, what is missing?
Did the pacifier fall out of Ember's mouth while she was alive, or did it fall off her lap because she wasn't? :thinking: Would cadaver dogs alert if the pacifier had the smell they are looking for?

The diaper was a size 2, Kirkland brand.

 

[klily444]

RSBM

The cousin's g/f said she saw MG and Ember after he went to the Happy Stop market:

A neighbor on the Noosha Lane property recalled seeing Matthew Graham on Wednesday after he returned from Happy Stop Market.

Sara Chabino said Graham stopped to get water and had Ember in his arms. She said she did not see the time and only knows that it was before the sun went down on Wednesday.

http://www.redding.com/news/local-news/graham-to-be-freed-from-jail

The YouTube video drive starts at a market in Ono. The poster claims it's the exact spot where the pacifier was found in her comments but I believe that's not true.

The pacifier was found on the night of July 10. I tracked down and matched the location to video of that day's search and it is not the area the YouTube poster drove from.

Here's my post:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Valley-2-July-2015-3&p=11943246#post11943246

This area:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/8... 1!3m1!1s0x54d31e619d970045:0x45352cc049ede84

perfectly matches the video the Redding Record Searchlight posted on YouTube which was uploaded on July 10.

[video=youtube;QuH1TCvOSYw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuH1TCvOSYw[/video]

Google Maps says the mileage from the Happy Stop market to that area is 17.6 miles and a 30 minute drive, presumably obeying the speed limit.

Thank you for bringing up the "exact spot the pacifier was found". I do not believe the person who made the video knows the exact spot, just the general area.

 

[Jamielin]

http://www.redding.com/news/local-news/mother-holds-out-hope-for-missing-daughter_47014010

My internet was slow listening to this so I may have missed it. Can someone confirm that she NEVER once asked If someone has Ember ....please bring her back? Mathew claimed an abduction correct? I did hear her say she could be alive or dead. IDK but I find that strange. Am I wrong about that?? I would be begging and pleading with the potential abductor.

She did say if anyone has her to please bring her back,they wouldn't be in trouble and can have the reward money.

I'm in Scotland,if I could,I would be there searching for this little girl. She is the first thing I think about when I wake up and I immediately have to go online to check for updates. I pray she is found.

I work with babies. Today,I was holding one of "my" baby girls who is the same age as Ember,I was looking at her beautiful face and thinking what a funny,sweet personality she has. Ember isn't just a photo on a computer to me,she is a precious,unique little soul who has touched my heart. What a desperate situation! Where is she?

I know a lot of you are veteran sleuthers and have followed similiar cases before. It must be so hard when hope fades and children remain lost. My heart breaks for them all.

 

[Mountain]

She did say if anyone has her to please bring her back,they wouldn't be in trouble and can have the reward money.

I'm in Scotland,if I could,I would be there searching for this little girl. She is the first thing I think about when I wake up and I immediately have to go online to check for updates. I pray she is found.

I work with babies. Today,I was holding one of "my" baby girls who is the same age as Ember,I was looking at her beautiful face and thinking what a funny,sweet personality she has. Ember isn't just a photo on a computer to me,she is a precious,unique little soul who has touched my heart. What a desperate situation! Where is she?

I know a lot of you are veteran sleuthers and have followed similiar cases before. It must be so hard when hope fades and children remain lost. My heart breaks for them all.

Thanks fellow websleuther! It is so heartbreaking...Malik, Ember, now Deorr and many, many more before them just vanish... never to be seen again.

 

[GigTu]

I screen - grabbed a shot of a culvert pipe, then a link to Google maps of a culvert pipe in the area of the video search. Does anything think these are the same pipe?

 

[MsMarple]

Thank you for bringing up the "exact spot the pacifier was found". I do not believe the person who made the video knows the exact spot, just the general area.

I agree. The YT poster's starting spot is 7.5 miles from the search area:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/897...344355f733410!2m2!1d-122.6192077!2d40.4747368

 

[Mimiof8]

The diaper was a size 2, Kirkland brand.

I haven't heard this information, do u have a link? Thanks

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

RSBM

The cousin's g/f said she saw MG and Ember after he went to the Happy Stop market:

A neighbor on the Noosha Lane property recalled seeing Matthew Graham on Wednesday after he returned from Happy Stop Market.

Sara Chabino said Graham stopped to get water and had Ember in his arms. She said she did not see the time and only knows that it was before the sun went down on Wednesday.

http://www.redding.com/news/local-news/graham-to-be-freed-from-jail

The YouTube video drive starts at a market in Ono. The poster claims it's the exact spot where the pacifier was found in her comments but I believe that's not true.

The pacifier was found on the night of July 10. I tracked down and matched the location to video of that day's search and it is not the area the YouTube poster drove from.

Here's my post:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Valley-2-July-2015-3&p=11943246#post11943246

This area:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/8... 1!3m1!1s0x54d31e619d970045:0x45352cc049ede84

perfectly matches the video the Redding Record Searchlight posted on YouTube which was uploaded on July 10.

[video=youtube;QuH1TCvOSYw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuH1TCvOSYw[/video]

Google Maps says the mileage from the Happy Stop market to that area is 17.6 miles and a 30 minute drive, presumably obeying the speed limit.

Has anyone said how far off the road her pacifier was found?

 

[kristinaT]

Has anybody worked on a rough draft of a timeline yet? I know that may be hard considering all the different possibilities as to when she may have went missing. But maybe something that includes things like the last time somebody besides MG or his cousin saw her alive. Maybe the last time Mom saw her. What time did she go with MG?

 

[cvaldez1975]

i heard it was ON the road.

Has anyone said how far off the road her pacifier was found?

 

[lauriej]

I haven't heard this information, do u have a link? Thanks

re: the diaper, Kirkland, size 2.



https://www.facebook.com/missingcas...2853.212865135400495/1165216426832023/?type=1

Locate The Missing

#FindEmber On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 05:26 AM, Matthew Ryan Graham who reported that his six month old daughter, Ember Skye Graham was #missing from their residence on Noosha Ln. in #ANDERSON, #CALIFORNIA. Ember, DOB: 12/19/2014, is 2’1” tall, 15 lbs., has brown hair, brown eyes and was last seen wearing a size 2 Kirkland diaper...

--missing poster @ link.

 

[nikb]

Has anybody worked on a rough draft of a timeline yet? I know that may be hard considering all the different possibilities as to when she may have went missing. But maybe something that includes things like the last time somebody besides MG or his cousin saw her alive. Maybe the last time Mom saw her. What time did she go with MG?

I would love to attempt a timeline but do we even have this info yet? I don't even remember hearing about the last time anyone saw her alive (other than questionable sources).