CA CA - Ember Graham, 7 mos, Happy Valley, 2 July 2015 - #2

[Xara]

I hope he hasn't gone off somewhere and committed suicide.

 

[PJFL]

The SCSO FB page is really cracking down and deleting comments. I don't know if this is recent or if they've been doing it all along.

 

[PJFL]

I hope he hasn't gone off somewhere and committed suicide.

If he has, I wonder if they'll find him and Ember together.

 

[GigTu]

Oh lawd!

 

[MsMarple]

I'm sort of thinking that MG assaulted his mom (enough to require emergency medical treatment) and he took her whole purse, with gun, cell phone and cash in it.

At first I thought no but I just listened to the sheriff's pc again and you may be onto something. The way I understood it is MG's mom reported him missing around 1 pm. Sheriff's deputies were called to Mercy around 5 pm. The call said there was a fight going on between the families and that MG may be there also. When LE got there MG wasn't there but the sheriff didn't elaborate other than to say they put the hospital into lockdown.

So something brought the family to the hospital. There's been no further word in msm about it yet.

 

[MinnesotaMary]

I bet he was fragile at the time, but not for the reasons she assumed, and has since snapped. She called and reported her gun stolen, by him. Would she do that after helping him get it? Either way, he is in grave danger of being killed. Why would a mommy allow her son to be in that position willingly? I can't wrap my mind around all of this. So twisted. And sad.

IMO, I bet grandma always packed a pistol, so she thought nothing of it. And I bet grandma was buying the 'kidnapping' story, because this is HER SON. IMO if grandma had turned on her son, wasn't buying what he was selling, she wouldn't go in front of press and say 'he's fragile' -- instead, she would zip-it! IMO Maybe cuz' grandma was from Fla., she doesn't know son too well right now - you know, doesn't know him well enough to tell if he's lying. Maybe Matthew told that big 'kidnapping' fish tale to the (modsnip) cuz' he's a big liar every which way and meebee sometimes people fell for his lies. (It pretty much goes w/o saying that ipso facto, if you're a big time drug user, and drug producer, etc., you are a constant liar.)

Does anyone have some info' about the '2 big barking dogs' that were outside - - were those his? neighbors?

I also wonder why he phoned police at 0530am - I'd think he'd wait as long as he could and say he just kept sleeping cuz' normally the baby woke him.... Meebee he couldn't sleep and thought he'd look much more suspicious if he didn't phone (modsnip) on the early side.

Do I get this right that outside temp' was 90 degrees and that little baby was in her crib sleeping in that heat? I would think if she woke up ev' 2 hrs., she'd wake up LOUD cuz' she'd feel uncomfortably dehydrated, sweaty....

I wonder what the heck Matthew said to the police that they KNOW he did this ??? The sheriff said in this press conf' that there's already enough to hold Matthew on the murder of the baby & charge him.

I wonder what the heck happened - Matthew seemed to love that baby so much - all I can guess is that he went nutz/psycho on some combo of drugs....

One 'good thing' is Matthew has a conscience - here in MN we are awaiting the Jan 2016 MURDER ONE trial for a dad, Pierre Collins, believed to have murdered his 10 y old son for recently purchased life insurance (total $50K) - all on tape. Threads are here at WSleuth, and they begin from the day dad phoned po po to say his son 'vanished', and IMO it seemed like he was trying to get the (modssnip) to think the child's small school van driver was the likely culprit...

 

[MyBelle]

I bet he was fragile at the time, but not for the reasons she assumed, and has since snapped. She called and reported her gun stolen, by him. Would she do that after helping him get it? Either way, he is in grave danger of being killed. Why would a mommy allow her son to be in that position willingly?

I can't wrap my mind around all of this. So twisted. And sad.

He had a head start and still hasn't been found. If mother is ex-LE she knows LE is not going to harm him because they want him alive to tell them where to find Ember.

JMO

 

[PLT]

Wait, where did the information come from that he had a vehicle? Wasn't that released by LE or was that a rumor? Now they say he is on foot?

I saw it very early this morning on MSM - one article said it was a brown Honda but like the others said - it was updated and retracted. I wonder if he will now attempt to get a car or if this will end like Tatum in the Relisha Rudd case for those who followed that one (he ran to a park and they found him shot) . Wonder if he will attempt to go to his son's house but I'm sure LE will have someone there as well.

 

[GigTu]

At first I thought no but I just listened to the sheriff's pc again and you may be onto something. The way I understood it is MG's mom reported him missing around 1 pm. Sheriff's deputies were called to Mercy around 5 pm. The call said there was a fight going on between the families and that MG may be there also. When LE got there MG wasn't there but the sheriff didn't elaborate other than to say they put the hospital into lockdown.

So something brought the family to the hospital. There's been no further word in msm about it yet.

Do you think she started putting the pieces of the puzzle together and questioned him, cornered him, and he lost it?

 

[GigTu]

He had a head start and still hasn't been found. If mother is ex-LE she knows LE is not going to harm him because they want him alive to tell them where to find Ember.

JMO

He seems unpredictable and dangerous.

As as the mom, seems she'd help him keep a low profile, not report him for gun theft. I don't know, I just don't get the feeling she agrees with what he's doing. At all.

 

[Purplepixii]

Thinking out loud here, bear with me...
MG has 3 reasons to take his mother's gun, cash & phone
1. He knows who has Ember & needs the phone to setup a meet, cash to get there & gun to show he "means business" / for protection.
2. He's guilty of Ember's death, needs the cash to get away, phone to contact someone & gun for protection.
3. He's innocent & needs the cash to get away, phone to contact someone & gun for protection. Miscarriages of justice do happen - if he's of a weak personality / paranoid this option isn't so far-fetched.

Unfortunately I think that MG will either be
1. Found dead having committed suicide with the gun.
2. Be found by LE & come out shooting thus causing LE to shoot him.

I know everything points to him being guilty - I'm just not 100% positive about what it is he's guilty of at this moment

 

[GigTu]

(modsnip)

The evil Pierre Collins.... I hope he suffers horrible torturous unmentionable assaults in jail up until he dies a slow, painful death.

 

[MyBelle]

He seems unpredictable and dangerous.

As as the mom, seems she'd help him keep a low profile, not report him for gun theft. I don't know, I just don't get the feeling she agrees with what he's doing. At all.

Saying he was "fragile" helped him keep a low profile. She then gave him access to a weapon and cash...I don't buy the theory she doesn't agree with what he's doing.

JMO

 

[GigTu]

I know everything points to him being guilty - I'm just not 100% positive about what it is he's guilty of at this moment

True. But it sure looks that way based on his selective memory and now desperate actions, going on the lamb.

 

[kammiemc]

IMO, I bet grandma always packed a pistol, so she thought nothing of it. And I bet grandma was buying the 'kidnapping' story, because this is HER SON. IMO if grandma had turned on her son, wasn't buying what he was selling, she wouldn't go in front of press and say 'he's fragile' -- instead, she would zip-it! IMO Maybe cuz' grandma was from Fla., she doesn't know son too well right now - you know, doesn't know him well enough to tell if he's lying. Maybe Matthew told that big 'kidnapping' fish tale to the (modsnip) cuz' he's a big liar every which way and meebee sometimes people fell for his lies. (It pretty much goes w/o saying that ipso facto, if you're a big time drug user, and drug producer, etc., you are a constant liar.)

Does anyone have some info' about the '2 big barking dogs' that were outside - - were those his? neighbors?

I also wonder why he phoned police at 0530am - I'd think he'd wait as long as he could and say he just kept sleeping cuz' normally the baby woke him.... Meebee he couldn't sleep and thought he'd look much more suspicious if he didn't phone (modssnip) on the early side.

Do I get this right that outside temp' was 90 degrees and that little baby was in her crib sleeping in that heat? I would think if she woke up ev' 2 hrs., she'd wake up LOUD cuz' she'd feel uncomfortably dehydrated, sweaty....

I wonder what the heck Matthew said to the police that they KNOW he did this ??? The sheriff said in this press conf' that there's already enough to hold Matthew on the murder of the baby & charge him.

I wonder what the heck happened - Matthew seemed to love that baby so much - all I can guess is that he went nutz/psycho on some combo of drugs....

One 'good thing' is Matthew has a conscience - here in MN we are awaiting the Jan 2016 MURDER ONE trial for a dad, Pierre Collins, believed to have murdered his 10 y old son for recently purchased life insurance (total $50K) - all on tape. Threads are here at WSleuth, and they begin from the day dad phoned po po to say his son 'vanished', and IMO it seemed like he was trying to get the (modsnip) to think the child's small school van driver was the likely culprit...

Wait, why do you think Matthew has a conscience. Everything seems to be pointing in the opposite direction. He lied and said his baby was kidnapped. He lied and said he couldn't remember why an 8-minute trip took him an hour? He showed no emotion about his baby missing (called her "it") and no remorse about what LE believes is his sure involvement in her death. I don't get that he has a conscience from any of that. (Are you assuming that he confessed? He didn't or he would have been arrested.)He was standing by his kidnapping story until they found the pacifier, then he stole a gun and fled. Conscience?


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[Peppery]

BBM

I think you would be amazed how many people are CCW holders, and yes you will never know who they are(they will not declare, hey hey look at my gun in my pocket/purse!). I have lived in Norcal and Southern Oregon my whole life and know many folks men and women so I don't understand why everyone is stuck on the gun. With her being ex-LE and him living in a kinda sketchy part of town I can see why she was carrying, but I can't see why she was not more vigilant of securing it. With the time gap in reporting and the family at the Hospital it makes me wonder if this was a set up escape plan using the hospital as a decoy to buy him time?

We don't know how vigilant she was in securing her weapon. At first I thought the same, that her purse was just left unattended somewhere, but that's probably not the case. In my personal experience, those with concealed carry permits are hyper vigilant re: safety. IMO, it's more likely she had the weapon on her person or had what she thought was a secure hold on her purse. *If* there was a physical altercation, she could have lost hold and the entire bag taken or weapon removed. We also don't know where either SG and MG were when the theft occurred or who else was with them or if MG had any other weapons to possibly threaten her or himself with. IMO, if she was knocked unconscious or badly beaten and robbed, that would be a valid reason to seek medical attention. Pure speculation though.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I saw it very early this morning on MSM - one article said it was a brown Honda but like the others said - it was updated and retracted. I wonder if he will now attempt to get a car or if this will end like Tatum in the Relisha Rudd case for those who followed that one (he ran to a park and they found him shot) . Wonder if he will attempt to go to his son's house but I'm sure LE will have someone there as well.

I wonder if JG is at the hospital, the safe location?, and he went there to tell her or hurt her?

 

[GGE]

At first I thought no but I just listened to the sheriff's pc again and you may be onto something. The way I understood it is MG's mom reported him missing around 1 pm. Sheriff's deputies were called to Mercy around 5 pm. The call said there was a fight going on between the families and that MG may be there also. When LE got there MG wasn't there but the sheriff didn't elaborate other than to say they put the hospital into lockdown.

So something brought the family to the hospital. There's been no further word in msm about it yet.

And they came out and said as a summary to all of this, that "Jamie is safe".


You all know what IMO that suggests. That she might not have been safe if the hospital wasn't locked down without him there. JMO that indicates he may have threatened her. JMO

 

[MsMarple]

Do you think she started putting the pieces of the puzzle together and questioned him, cornered him, and he lost it?

Good question. Who knows? Just because MG's dad still appears to believe the kidnap story doesn't mean his mom does. I'm sure when the family got the info about the pacifier they had a long, long discussion. And apparently it turned ugly at some point.

IMO it wouldn't be a stretch to think he lost it.

 

[sunflowerchick]

IMO, I bet grandma always packed a pistol, so she thought nothing of it. And I bet grandma was buying the 'kidnapping' story, because this is HER SON. IMO if grandma had turned on her son, wasn't buying what he was selling, she wouldn't go in front of press and say 'he's fragile' -- instead, she would zip-it! IMO Maybe cuz' grandma was from Fla., she doesn't know son too well right now - you know, doesn't know him well enough to tell if he's lying. Maybe Matthew told that big 'kidnapping' fish tale to the (modsnip) cuz' he's a big liar every which way and meebee sometimes people fell for his lies. (It pretty much goes w/o saying that ipso facto, if you're a big time drug user, and drug producer, etc., you are a constant liar.)

Does anyone have some info' about the '2 big barking dogs' that were outside - - were those his? neighbors?

I also wonder why he phoned police at 0530am - I'd think he'd wait as long as he could and say he just kept sleeping cuz' normally the baby woke him.... Meebee he couldn't sleep and thought he'd look much more suspicious if he didn't phone (modsnip) on the early side.

Do I get this right that outside temp' was 90 degrees and that little baby was in her crib sleeping in that heat? I would think if she woke up ev' 2 hrs., she'd wake up LOUD cuz' she'd feel uncomfortably dehydrated, sweaty....

I wonder what the heck Matthew said to the police that they KNOW he did this ??? The sheriff said in this press conf' that there's already enough to hold Matthew on the murder of the baby & charge him.

I wonder what the heck happened - Matthew seemed to love that baby so much - all I can guess is that he went nutz/psycho on some combo of drugs....

One 'good thing' is Matthew has a conscience - here in MN we are awaiting the Jan 2016 MURDER ONE trial for a dad, Pierre Collins, believed to have murdered his 10 y old son for recently purchased life insurance (total $50K) - all on tape. Threads are here at WSleuth, and they begin from the day dad phoned po po to say his son 'vanished', and IMO it seemed like he was trying to get the (modsnip) to think the child's small school van driver was the likely culprit...

For the most part I agree with you and I think we are on the same side, but you said a few things that "bothered" me so please allow me, with respect, to comment on those. BBM those statements in your post.

1. I think this depends on which drugs we are talking about. In general, in states where marijuana is now legal, I don't think being a pot smoker or producer equates to being a liar because they now have nothing to hide, if you know what I mean. Yes, Matthew Graham is definitely a liar but I think that has less to do with his drug use/production and more to do with his character in general.

2. I don't recall this in the press conference and if this is what they said, it's actually really big. Can someone please post the link again or confirm this information with a written article?

3. I agree with others here. I don't see that he loved Ember at all. I think he was going through the motions of what everyone expected of him but in general viewed Ember and his marriage as burdens to his life. I think the mother was a much more devoted parent.

4. "combo of drugs", I think so far the only thing mentioned and confirmed has been MJ but I wouldn't be surprised if other stuff is involved as well. Speaking of it, didn't LE say that they found the beginning of a MJ extraction setup at his trailer? And is there any way that same setup could/would also be used in the production of meth? Would they be able to determine that if it hadn't yet been used in that manner?

5. You think he has a conscience? If I may ask, what gives you that impression?