GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #7

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I am so saddened to hear a place of my youth is now a mess. How disheartening. It's the s w lake havasu and copper mountain copper lake area...once those pristine areas were found in the early 70s it was like paradise then...the river, and havasu. We were river rats then, and not a lot of people went to the river...small groups. Now whole colleges and schools go....I know they have changed even the river level is a huge concern. But it's so sad to know that the lake...and yes it would be a large search, but if IM was well known in the area anyone with her vehicle could get in..do they own a boat, dowse CL own a boat? Gosh there were never leaches before...I used to swim and fish there, so sad!!
 
I am so saddened to hear a place of my youth is now a mess. How disheartening. It's the s w lake havasu and copper mountain copper lake area...once those pristine areas were found in the early 70s it was like paradise then...the river, and havasu. We were river rats then, and not a lot of people went to the river...small groups. Now whole colleges and schools go....I know they have changed even the river level is a huge concern. But it's so sad to know that the lake...and yes it would be a large search, but if IM was well known in the area anyone with her vehicle could get in..do they own a boat, dowse CL own a boat? Gosh there were never leaches before...I used to swim and fish there, so sad!!

OT- Remember the Old English Village at the base of the bridge? I still remember the smell of those candied eels they sold there. Haven't been to Havasu in years, but heard stories from my BIL. He did boat patrol (SBSO) on holiday weekends (think MTV Spring Break). Fun for the kids, not so much for the officers.:happydance:
 
FYI and JMO, People is not always a truly accurate source, in my experience. Have not read the new article, but if anything is "new" or different in it, I would be wary.
Jmo
 
OT- Remember the Old English Village at the base of the bridge? I still remember the smell of those candied eels they sold there. Haven't been to Havasu in years, but heard stories from my BIL. He did boat patrol (SBSO) on holiday weekends (think MTV Spring Break). Fun for the kids, not so much for the officers.:happydance:
I had to quickly google candied eels. :scared:
 
FYI and JMO, People is not always a truly accurate source, in my experience. Have not read the new article, but if anything is "new" or different in it, I would be wary.
Jmo

I agree. People is no longer the same magazine. It used to be somewhat reliable and responsible. A friend of mine does some freelance work for them and, well,that's the only part of her life I tend to not bring up. :)
 
This case is slowing down, it's been over 5 hours since the last post about it.

I guess we are now waiting on LE to get all their ducks in a row, follow proper procedure and start making some arrests.
 
Personally I think she's in a mine. I've been to them many times in JT and they truly are a great hiding/dumping spot. The perp wouldn't necessarily have to kill her first. Just a quick shove and she's gone for ever. Very, very sad case. My heart aches for her mom.

Please elaborate and describe these mines more. Could they drop a camera down? Are they wide at the entrance? Would she die striking the sides going down? Would she be caught at some point?
 
Please elaborate and describe these mines more. Could they drop a camera down? Are they wide at the entrance? Would she die striking the sides going down? Would she be caught at some point?

Because of this case I have researched the mines in and around the Joshua Tree area. I discovered that there are 288 mines with 747 mine openings in Joshua Tree alone and hundreds of other abandoned mines in close proximity to the Joshua Tree area. Approximately 120 mine sites in JT (as of July of this year) have "substantial openings" that would be extremely dangerous if entered. The mines range in size, depth, distance from main roads and size of opening. Some are 50' deep while others are hundreds of feet deep.

Here are some photos of a mine opening in JT with a 270' drop inside (http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/ivanhoe1.htm) and some more examples of different mine openings found in JT:
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/joshuatree5.htm
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/joshuatree-sunday1.htm
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/joshuatree-sunday1.htm
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/goldenrod1.htm
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/joshuatree1.htm

Also, a few threads back I posted a photo of a very large vertical mine opening that a car could have fit in.

JT has been in the process of sealing off mine openings to prevent people from going in. A lot of the mines are covered in a metal grates to allow wildlife to continue to use the mines (bats, rats, etc) but prevent people from entering. From some of the photos I have seen it appears as though it would be pretty easy to remove some of the older grates/bars if one wanted to enter a covered mine. On the following site a woman documented her hike to one of the covered mines and you can see from her picture (approx. half way down the page) that the steel grate covering the mine appears as though it would be relatively easy to move to gain access into the mine. http://www.greeneadventures.com/201...convenient-hike-in-joshua-tree-national-park/

I am pretty certain that cameras could be (and probably have been) used to search for Erin in some of the mines in the JT area. A group, in 2010, was using cameras to search for Susan Powell in Utah's abandoned mines. One of the mines they dropped a camera in was 1,200 feet deep. They said they would continue to look for her in the other mines in the state (Utah has close to 20,000 abandoned mines!) http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=12748567&nid=481

There is no doubt in my mind that anyone falling into one of these mines would be greatly injured. On the slight chance they survived, they would be unable to climb out and, because of how remote so many of them are, it would be next to impossible for someone outside to hear someone calling from inside. Also, air quality would be extremely low in the depth of these mines.

Here is where I got the above information:

http://pages.pomona.edu/~wes04747/ID1/JOTRMINES%20DraftFinal.pdf[/url]
http://www.nps.gov/jotr/naturescience/disturbedlands.htm[/url]
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/pictures.htm[/url]
http://articles.latimes.com/1999/dec/22/news/mn-46461/2

I thought the following was interesting about mines in JT, from the last article referenced above:

"Some find the shafts by accident, like the two Marines from Twentynine Palms who drove their Jeep into an abandoned mine known as Little Italy, located just outside Joshua Tree National Park. The passenger was killed on impact and the trapped driver ignited one of the Jeep's tires to signal for help--which came just as he died of smoke inhalation.

Another Marine rappelled into the Lost Horse Mine and came to the end of his rope far above its floor. He spent 24 hours clinging to a ledge before help came.

And then there was the rescue of the endangered desert tortoise that was found after biologists picked up a strange radio signal from its electronic collar emanating from 100 feet below ground.

"He fell into a mine," Holbeck said. "They had to go down and bring him back up."


At any rate, it gives you more of an idea of what the mines are like in Joshua Tree and the surrounding area.
 
O/T-- I know a whole lot of people were following this case as it was happening, as was I. I just got this from a closed thread and the update was posted by a mod. I don't know why the thread is closed, but here is the results of the autopsy.


Arcadia firefighter Mike Herdman had drugs in his system when he died, report says


The Arcadia firefighter who went missing and was later found dead in Los Padres National Forest had ecstasy and alcohol in his system when he died, according to a toxicology report.

Michael Herdman was found June 27 at the bottom of a cliff after going missing during a camping trip with fellow Arcadia firefighter Taylor Byers. The Ventura County Medical Examiner’s report states detectives found evidence at the campsite that suggested alcohol, ecstasy and Adderall use. Sgt. Denise Sliva could only confirm that evidence of drug and alcohol use was found but not the specific type of drugs.



http://www.sgvtribune.com/20140801/...-drugs-in-his-system-when-he-died-report-says
 
O/T-- I know a whole lot of people were following this case as it was happening, as was I. I just got this from a closed thread and the update was posted by a mod. I don't know why the thread is closed, but here is the results of the autopsy.


Arcadia firefighter Mike Herdman had drugs in his system when he died, report says


The Arcadia firefighter who went missing and was later found dead in Los Padres National Forest had ecstasy and alcohol in his system when he died, according to a toxicology report.

Michael Herdman was found June 27 at the bottom of a cliff after going missing during a camping trip with fellow Arcadia firefighter Taylor Byers. The Ventura County Medical Examiner’s report states detectives found evidence at the campsite that suggested alcohol, ecstasy and Adderall use. Sgt. Denise Sliva could only confirm that evidence of drug and alcohol use was found but not the specific type of drugs.



http://www.sgvtribune.com/20140801/...-drugs-in-his-system-when-he-died-report-says
I have asked the mods in charge of that thread to take a look.
 
Because of this case I have researched the mines in and around the Joshua Tree area. I discovered that there are 288 mines with 747 mine openings in Joshua Tree alone and hundreds of other abandoned mines in close proximity to the Joshua Tree area. Approximately 120 mine sites in JT (as of July of this year) have "substantial openings" that would be extremely dangerous if entered. The mines range in size, depth, distance from main roads and size of opening. Some are 50' deep while others are hundreds of feet deep.

Here are some photos of a mine opening in JT with a 270' drop inside (http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/ivanhoe1.htm) and some more examples of different mine openings found in JT:
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/joshuatree5.htm
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/joshuatree-sunday1.htm
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/joshuatree-sunday1.htm
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/goldenrod1.htm
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/joshuatree1.htm

Also, a few threads back I posted a photo of a very large vertical mine opening that a car could have fit in.

JT has been in the process of sealing off mine openings to prevent people from going in. A lot of the mines are covered in a metal grates to allow wildlife to continue to use the mines (bats, rats, etc) but prevent people from entering. From some of the photos I have seen it appears as though it would be pretty easy to remove some of the older grates/bars if one wanted to enter a covered mine. On the following site a woman documented her hike to one of the covered mines and you can see from her picture (approx. half way down the page) that the steel grate covering the mine appears as though it would be relatively easy to move to gain access into the mine. http://www.greeneadventures.com/201...convenient-hike-in-joshua-tree-national-park/

I am pretty certain that cameras could be (and probably have been) used to search for Erin in some of the mines in the JT area. A group, in 2010, was using cameras to search for Susan Powell in Utah's abandoned mines. One of the mines they dropped a camera in was 1,200 feet deep. They said they would continue to look for her in the other mines in the state (Utah has close to 20,000 abandoned mines!) http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=12748567&nid=481

There is no doubt in my mind that anyone falling into one of these mines would be greatly injured. On the slight chance they survived, they would be unable to climb out and, because of how remote so many of them are, it would be next to impossible for someone outside to hear someone calling from inside. Also, air quality would be extremely low in the depth of these mines.

Here is where I got the above information:

http://pages.pomona.edu/~wes04747/ID1/JOTRMINES%20DraftFinal.pdf[/url]
http://www.nps.gov/jotr/naturescience/disturbedlands.htm[/url]
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/pictures.htm[/url]
http://articles.latimes.com/1999/dec/22/news/mn-46461/2

I thought the following was interesting about mines in JT, from the last article referenced above:

"Some find the shafts by accident, like the two Marines from Twentynine Palms who drove their Jeep into an abandoned mine known as Little Italy, located just outside Joshua Tree National Park. The passenger was killed on impact and the trapped driver ignited one of the Jeep's tires to signal for help--which came just as he died of smoke inhalation.

Another Marine rappelled into the Lost Horse Mine and came to the end of his rope far above its floor. He spent 24 hours clinging to a ledge before help came.

And then there was the rescue of the endangered desert tortoise that was found after biologists picked up a strange radio signal from its electronic collar emanating from 100 feet below ground.

"He fell into a mine," Holbeck said. "They had to go down and bring him back up."


At any rate, it gives you more of an idea of what the mines are like in Joshua Tree and the surrounding area.
Awesome post, Voice!

Someone knows the TRUTH and I just know it has to be someone we've all read about and keep hearing about. I wish they would knock off this nonsense and just TALK. Get it over with! Please tell LEO where EC is and let everyone try to deal with it and have some peace. I almost can't read about this case anymore. It's annoying and I feel like these people are getting away with everything. :gaah::scared::gaah:
Chopper RN, I totally agree! We're almost to the 8th thread and although we've gotten some info on this case, I still feel like we're no closer to finding Erin now than we were in the first thread!
 
Because of this case I have researched the mines in and around the Joshua Tree area. I discovered that there are 288 mines with 747 mine openings in Joshua Tree alone and hundreds of other abandoned mines in close proximity to the Joshua Tree area. Approximately 120 mine sites in JT (as of July of this year) have "substantial openings" that would be extremely dangerous if entered. The mines range in size, depth, distance from main roads and size of opening. Some are 50' deep while others are hundreds of feet deep.

Here are some photos of a mine opening in JT with a 270' drop inside (http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/ivanhoe1.htm) and some more examples of different mine openings found in JT:
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/joshuatree5.htm
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/joshuatree-sunday1.htm
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/joshuatree-sunday1.htm
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/goldenrod1.htm
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/joshuatree1.htm

Also, a few threads back I posted a photo of a very large vertical mine opening that a car could have fit in.

JT has been in the process of sealing off mine openings to prevent people from going in. A lot of the mines are covered in a metal grates to allow wildlife to continue to use the mines (bats, rats, etc) but prevent people from entering. From some of the photos I have seen it appears as though it would be pretty easy to remove some of the older grates/bars if one wanted to enter a covered mine. On the following site a woman documented her hike to one of the covered mines and you can see from her picture (approx. half way down the page) that the steel grate covering the mine appears as though it would be relatively easy to move to gain access into the mine. http://www.greeneadventures.com/201...convenient-hike-in-joshua-tree-national-park/

I am pretty certain that cameras could be (and probably have been) used to search for Erin in some of the mines in the JT area. A group, in 2010, was using cameras to search for Susan Powell in Utah's abandoned mines. One of the mines they dropped a camera in was 1,200 feet deep. They said they would continue to look for her in the other mines in the state (Utah has close to 20,000 abandoned mines!) http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=12748567&nid=481

There is no doubt in my mind that anyone falling into one of these mines would be greatly injured. On the slight chance they survived, they would be unable to climb out and, because of how remote so many of them are, it would be next to impossible for someone outside to hear someone calling from inside. Also, air quality would be extremely low in the depth of these mines.

Here is where I got the above information:

http://pages.pomona.edu/~wes04747/ID1/JOTRMINES%20DraftFinal.pdf[/url]
http://www.nps.gov/jotr/naturescience/disturbedlands.htm[/url]
http://www.undergroundexplorers.com/pictures.htm[/url]
http://articles.latimes.com/1999/dec/22/news/mn-46461/2

I thought the following was interesting about mines in JT, from the last article referenced above:

"Some find the shafts by accident, like the two Marines from Twentynine Palms who drove their Jeep into an abandoned mine known as Little Italy, located just outside Joshua Tree National Park. The passenger was killed on impact and the trapped driver ignited one of the Jeep's tires to signal for help--which came just as he died of smoke inhalation.

Another Marine rappelled into the Lost Horse Mine and came to the end of his rope far above its floor. He spent 24 hours clinging to a ledge before help came.

And then there was the rescue of the endangered desert tortoise that was found after biologists picked up a strange radio signal from its electronic collar emanating from 100 feet below ground.

"He fell into a mine," Holbeck said. "They had to go down and bring him back up."


At any rate, it gives you more of an idea of what the mines are like in Joshua Tree and the surrounding area.

Voice, Your research is unbelievable. Every time you post about mines I'm blown away! Thank you for this valuable information you have continually provided!! :clap:
 
A very long but informative "Missing Persons Investigations - Guidelines and Curriculum" for California.
http://lib.post.ca.gov/Publications/missing.pdf

It's so funny that you would have this document too. I found it almost a year ago when Bryce Laspisa went missing and e mailed it to his parents. I also e mailed it to Erin's family in the first few days of her disappearance. I don't know if it helped anyone but thought it was worth a try.
 
Please elaborate and describe these mines more. Could they drop a camera down? Are they wide at the entrance? Would she die striking the sides going down? Would she be caught at some point?

I couldn't have answered this nearly as well as Voice did. Excellent job, Voice! Thank you.
 
O/T-- I know a whole lot of people were following this case as it was happening, as was I. I just got this from a closed thread and the update was posted by a mod. I don't know why the thread is closed, but here is the results of the autopsy.


Arcadia firefighter Mike Herdman had drugs in his system when he died, report says


The Arcadia firefighter who went missing and was later found dead in Los Padres National Forest had ecstasy and alcohol in his system when he died, according to a toxicology report.

Michael Herdman was found June 27 at the bottom of a cliff after going missing during a camping trip with fellow Arcadia firefighter Taylor Byers. The Ventura County Medical Examiner’s report states detectives found evidence at the campsite that suggested alcohol, ecstasy and Adderall use. Sgt. Denise Sliva could only confirm that evidence of drug and alcohol use was found but not the specific type of drugs.




http://www.sgvtribune.com/20140801/...-drugs-in-his-system-when-he-died-report-says


Just put "Mike Herdman" in the WS search bar, thread #2 is there, and articles linking to the autopsy.
 
It's so funny that you would have this document too. I found it almost a year ago when Bryce Laspisa went missing and e mailed it to his parents. I also e mailed it to Erin's family in the first few days of her disappearance. I don't know if it helped anyone but thought it was worth a try.


So funny! Me, too. Found it when researching on Bryce's thread and still reference it. Love that you sent it to Bryce and Erin's parents. Almost a year since Bryce went missing. Talk about a case that everyone thought would be resolved within a few days at most.
 
So funny! Me, too. Found it when researching on Bryce's thread and still reference it. Love that you sent it to Bryce and Erin's parents. Almost a year since Bryce went missing. Talk about a case that everyone thought would be resolved within a few days at most.

I still think about Bryce every single day. I just can't imagine what happened to him.
 
I still think about Bryce every single day. I just can't imagine what happened to him.

Me too and there has been nothing new that's happened to get the thread open again. Bryce's case haunts me.
 
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