CA CA - Farren Stanberry, 18, San Francisco, 24 Apr 1980

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Guys,

Someone over at Grant Union High School's Alumni page posted Farren's name!!!! He would have graduated in 1979! This shows that someone else out there remembers him and is asking about him! (This is the high school in John Day.)


Satch
@Satch I'm so sorry to burst your bubble but this was either me or @Bit of hope (they mentioned it a while back)...for some reason when you search for someone on this site it creates a page for them "so they know someone is looking for them" it says. It's not very helpful really! Sorry!
 
@Satch I'm so sorry to burst your bubble but this was either me or @Bit of hope (they mentioned it a while back)...for some reason when you search for someone on this site it creates a page for them "so they know someone is looking for them" it says. It's not very helpful really! Sorry!
Thank you! So sorry! I thought I found some gold for Farren, or at least silver!

Satch
 
I finally got a response from someone! The GLBT Historical Society emailed me back. I let them know about Farren going missing and asked about the Tavern Guild Bowling League, the Bay Area Reporter, National Hotel, and CH just trying to cover everything I could think of.
The reference archivist said,
I haven't found any real leads here, unfortunately. We have records from the Tavern Guild, but nothing on the bowling league. I also spotted the same Bay Area Reporter reference you would have seen -- it seems to confirm that his family thought he might have been gay, and drawn to San Francisco for this reason, but nothing else. I also explored our ephemera collections and a periodical we have on gay bowling, but didn't find anything resembling the name. Sorry not to be of more help.
 
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I finally got a response from someone! The GLBT Historical Society emailed me back. I let them know about Farren going missing and asked about the Tavern Guild Bowling League, the Bay Area Reporter, National Hotel, and Curt Harvey just trying to cover everything I could think of.
The reference archivist said,
Oh I'm really glad they checked for you!
Very interesting that they also believe Farrens family thought he was gay...which lends itself to believe Farren actually was.
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Good day everyone, I have some questions below that I'm hoping people might be able to answer, I'm just trying to get an idea of Farren's possible movements and duration he was in SF:

1) How long did it take to open a bank account in 1980? And what did you need to open one? Could you literally just walk in and set one up and it was immediate?
2)Did you get a bank card or just a paying in book? Would Farren have had a check book?
Assuming Farren spent time travelling before reaching SF he would have needed money, so either a bank account or cash so:
1) If Farren had a Well's Fargo account elsewhere, could he use any branch in the US or did you need to set up a new account for different branches (not sure if banks were as interconnected as they are now)
2)If he took cash, any ideas on how much he'd need at that time for a few months travelling- would it have been normal and even safe to keep so much cash on your person? And why did he leave some at home with his mother?

There's no record/mention of Farren having been in any states except Oregon and California yet apparently he went East. Would/Could there be a paper trail elsewhere? We know there isn't any unclaimed property as @Mfleish already spent a weekend checking.
Is there a way to deduce that he just went right to SF in late Aug/Sept 79 and if so:
3)Why did he fib to his family about where he was until April?
4)If he'd been in SF for over 6 months why is there so little record and memory of him...only 10 years later when RC searched no one, except possibly CH, remembered him. So maybe he hadn't been there long ..so where had he been??
Does anyone have any ideas for research how we could locate where he'd been previously.

According to his family's account he boarded a greyhound bus headed East. It occurs to me that "east" might not actually be the East coast at all.
5)If you were an 18 yr old guy in 1980 wanting to see the world, where East of John Day would you likely end up? What nearby cities are East?

And finally for anyone who knows anything about Greyhound Buses or can research:
6)If you bought a ticket to somewhere, let's say SF, does the bus travel directly, non-stop to that place or do you need to keep changing onto another bus to reach your destination? Do they travel 24 hours non stop or might you need to stay overnight in a motel?
Thus I'm wondering -
7) Is it possible that he did board a bus going east originally but then had to change somewhere to get on a bus going to SF? If so, where?
The most direct route to SF would seem to be via Portland, but that may not be the way the Greyhound Buses travelled from John Day.
8) And finally, is it possible to find any info on the Greyhound Bus schedules and routes passing in or close to John Day in 1980? Particularly soon after 26th August?

I'm wondering if Farren got quite a bit of money for his 18th birthday and decided to travel with it. But that his mother didn't want him to travel and so wouldn't let him have his gift from her. That might be a explanation of her behaviour. JMO.

If anyone can offer any answers to these questions, please do.
 
Guys,

Doing some research on Greyhound Buses:

Here is a 1980 commercial ad:

The company's Twitter Page: https://twitter.com/GreyhoundBus

Greyhound's Website: Greyhound: Affordable Bus Tickets Across US, Canada & Mexico

Best thing to do would be to contact them with these questions:

1.) If you boarded a bus in 1980 to go from John Day Oregon to San Francisco California, how many times would you have to transfer, or was it a direct route? Would the route from Medford to San Francisco be any different?

2.) Is there any way to get bus schedules from John Day or Medford Oregon to East Coast or West Coast destinations from around August 26, 1979?

3.) Back in 1980, did Greyhound bus schedules and drivers offer 24-hour service? Or normal business working hours. (This was typically 9am-5pm in the States.)

4.) What was the generally longest ride that Greyhound bus distances would permit for someone traveling around August of 1979?

5.) How did Greyhound charge for bus fare in August of 1979?

On Wells Fargo Bank:

I researched and found out that in 1980, Wells Fargo was the first bank to offer 24/7 banking by phone. According to the website, they were the largest Bank in San Francisco. (Still are.)

Other questions:

1.) How far was the Wells Fargo Bank from the National Hotel were Farren was staying?
2.) In 1980, how far was a Marriott Hotel from the National Hotel?

I could see Farren's Grandmother, or Aunt giving him money for his 18th Birthday. I have a strong vibe that his Mother was a terrible, horrible person, partially due to her illness that affected her personality, and I sense that she did not even want kinds, that Farren and Peggy Sue were unwanted pregnancies, so she deserted them. I could see her telling Farren she is not going to send him money to help him, because that seems to be the kind pf person she is here. I don't think Farren's Mother gave him anything except anxiety, pain, and grief. Remember, she never even reported him missing!!! I don't think she gave Farren crap!

Did Farren lie to his family about where he was until April 1980? We simply do not know, because we don't know the context of calls to family from August 1979, or thereafter until April of 1980. Up until that time, Farren was OK and doing well, or at the very least "getting by."

Where was Farren and what was he doing, from the day he left John Day, after his birthday to before April, 26, 1980?

Satch
 
Quick cursory search but I can't find any evidence that Greyhound Buses ever passed through John Day. The closest place to catch one appears to be Burns, about 70 miles away.
Now, interestly the Joaquin Miller campground where Farren's aunt claimed she dropped him off and was the last time she saw him, was about 3/4s of the way to Burns on the route they would have had to take. In fact, it's postal addresses is actually Burns.
So...does this bring this story into play again? It actually happened but she got the date confused with when he was reported missing?
If so, why did they not drive Farren all the way to Burns but drop him at a campsite/RV park. Could this suggest he was meeting someone there? Did he ever catch the Greyhound or was this another fib/mistake? Could Farren have arranged to meet someone and travelled on with them? His roommates or the gay man?

Pure speculation if course but what do you think? Is this another mystery??

I think it's worth contacting Greyhound for further info. I will try tomorrow if no one else has?
 
@Ciriii57 Quick cursory search but I can't find any evidence that Greyhound Buses ever passed through John Day. The closest place to catch one appears to be Burns, about 70 miles away.
Now, interestly the Joaquin Miller campground where Farren's aunt claimed she dropped him off and was the last time she saw him, was about 3/4s of the way to Burns on the route they would have had to take. In fact, it's postal addresses is actually Burns.
So...does this bring this story into play again? It actually happened but she got the date confused with when he was reported missing?
If so, why did they not drive Farren all the way to Burns but drop him at a campsite/RV park. Could this suggest he was meeting someone there? Did he ever catch the Greyhound or was this another fib/mistake? Could Farren have arranged to meet someone and travelled on with them? His roommates or the gay man?


Hey!

Great work @Ciriii57 I am thinking here this might explain things! What about Farren's Aunt confusing the date that Farren went missing, with the date that she and his grandmother took him to the campground? If Greyhound buses did not go directly to/from John Day, and Burns was the nearest location, that tells me that it is likely that the following happened:

1.) Farren planned to meet someone at the Joaquin Miller campground to maybe spend a couple of days their and plan their journey. OR Fareen wanted maybe to stay overnight at the campground, and had made a reservation at a campsite to plan a journey of his own? I wonder if Sergent Rand would know if Farren planned to meet up with someone to "See the world." He has seemly dismissed the campground circumstance. But with that bus route information above, it brings the campground back into focus. Just at a different date than June 1980.

2.) Wouldn't it make perfect sense that Farren would WANT to travel to the campsite with his Aunt and Grandmother to say goodbye to them, and they all shared plans of what he was going to do on his travels? Given the close relationship to his grandmother in particular, I can't see him day after his 18th birthday saying, "OK, I am out of here." and leaving, without a proper goodbye to the people who loved him and raised him. So they take him to this campsite to be with him and talk to him one last time.

3.) We don't know why they did not just take Farren all the way to the campsite. Maybe he was to meet someone there, maybe he hitch-hiked to the bus station? I think the family, or someone traveling with Farren, would know about his first destination plans after leaving the campground.

4.) I think that LE dismissed the campground because the date can not be connected to Farren's last phone call to family. But if you put it earlier in the year, or even later in 1979. it works.

5.) But here is the kicker. Sergent Rand has said that Farren went to the campground with his Aunt and Grandma earlier in the year and BEFORE he disappeared. Therefore the drop off to the campground can't be the last time Farren's Aunt and Grandma saw him. Unless the drive that his Aunt remembers was the second time Farren had been to the campsite. Didn't Sergent Rand say something like this?

Here is the campground's website. Given Farren's adventurous spirit and love of exploring, I think he was probably familiar with this place, and spent at least two separate stays here, before disappearing. I think he had a plan in "seeing the world."


Satch
 
@Satch hey some good conclusions there. The campsite thing has always bothered me just because his aunt remembers it as the last time she saw him and that seems like there's no way you would mistake it.

Regarding Sgt Rand's comments he said: "The aunt and grandmother did drop him off but it was prior to him going to San Francisco originally".
Actually the use of the word "originally" here bothered me because originally makes it sound like he went once and came back and then returned to SF again. Does anyone else interpret his comment in a different way, I could be reading too much into 1 word.?
-Or it was yet another mistake in the story and it all happened before Farren left for good. But still...would you seriously forget the last time you saw a family member to whom you were so close??
-Or perhaps this was where he left on his journey east. A trip that he did in fact return from but he either didn't see his aunt at this time, or she misremembered, and afterwards he went to SF.

Can anyone else offer a different interpretation of this info?

The only reasons I can think of not taking him all the way to the Bus Terminus would be
-either he wanted to go camping here alone before his trip ...fair enough I guess but seems a bit odd.
-or he was meeting someone else there
I can't imagine them taking him three quarters of the way and then saying "ok you can hitchike the last third of the journey"! So the campsite had to have been the intended destination.

In my last email to Sgt Rand I asked him some much more detailed questions regarding this as well as some other things. But so far he hasn't responded.

Is there anything that the campsite itself might be able to clarify? Perhaps they are manned and have contact info? I wonder if there was an event there in 1979, or some other reason to want to go. Perhaps the local press in Burns might have something? From what I can tell now it seems a very remote campsite/RV park and has stables...something about horses.

Again with Farren's case ...it's like a jigsaw where the picture keeps changing!
 
It just dawned on me from Sgt Rand's comment above; no mention of him going anywhere else except SF.
Unless he went somewhere else and returned to John Day and left again then it looks like he only ever went to SF from this comment.

Again, I have asked him to clarify some of these points.
 
Guys,

Here's contact information for the forestry services in Oregon The Supervisor's address, probably best place to start, is at the top of the page.


Satch
Do you know if the actual Joaquin Miller campsite have any more specific contact info just for them? Rather than the ranger for the whole forest? Perhaps it is an unmanned campground.
 
I didn't find anything in The Bay Area Reporter ads that stood out to me as particularly relevant.
An example of jobs that were being advertised in the 8th May 1980 edition are below:
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A few jobs in bars in most of the editions and as can be seen in the middle of the above ad there were always ads for modelling and erotic work. I can't say whether Farren would have gone in for anything like this but it's always a possibility. A jobs a job when you need one, but whether it could have led to his demise...who knows? It has revealed a quite shady side of SF and I wonder if Farren had become a part of this world of vice?

I also found this ad for the National Hotel from 1976 (only 4 years before Farren stayed there) in a different publication called "Kalendar" which seems to be mostly articles about the film and theatre industry taregted at gay men. The National Hotel refers to itself as "Wildest in the West". Does anyone have a clue as to what this might be referencing coz to my mind it makes it sound really sleazy! Was that the intention?
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https://digitalassets.lib.berkeley.edu/sfbagals/Kalendar/1975_Kalendar_Vol04_NoL26_Jan09_.pdf

Since so much of the hotel's advertising strategy was focused towards gay men I am now almost certain that Farren was gay. I can't see anyone who wasn't gay in 1980 choosing to stay at a specifically gay hotel. It may be relevant in where he was working and where and with who is was socialising with. (JMO)

ETA-Link to Kalendar article
Yes, the hotel advertisement would have been deliberately making a sexual innuendo imho. As I understand it - and I wasn’t even alive yet so this is based on reading and watching movies and documentaries - 1976 was a time of sexual liberation for the gay community. It was in the narrow window of time where gay people could finally find each other easily in places like SF, and be afforded some of the liberation that many in the heterosexual community experienced in the late 60s, before AIDS stopped the carefree nature of that connection. There is a film called The Normal Heart with Jonothan Groff and Mark Ruffalo which depicts this era in the first 10 or so minutes ( the film is set largely in New York, but still it gives a good impression). This would have been an intense time to be a part of the community, especially for a small town guy imho

Further to this, I found a second 1976 ad, in the Bay Area Reporter,
similar to what you found! Mentions it’s near the Greyhound.

I’ve included some of the ads around it so you can see the other hotels listed, somehow of which have been discussed here, and note that they were often marketing themselves as “wild” and in the centre of “action”. They were also v cheap compared to other private rentals of flats and homes which were hundreds per week as opposed to as low as 17.50. Interesting the National hotel does not have a room price.
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Do you know if the actual Joaquin Miller campsite have any more specific contact info just for them? Rather than the ranger for the whole forest? Perhaps it is an unmanned campground.
I'll look tonight,

Satch
 
Yes, the hotel advertisement would have been deliberately making a sexual innuendo imho. As I understand it - and I wasn’t even alive yet so this is based on reading and watching movies and documentaries - 1976 was a time of sexual liberation for the gay community. It was in the narrow window of time where gay people could finally find each other easily in places like SF, and be afforded some of the liberation that many in the heterosexual community experienced in the late 60s, before AIDS stopped the carefree nature of that connection. There is a film called The Normal Heart with Jonothan Groff and Mark Ruffalo which depicts this era in the first 10 or so minutes ( the film is set largely in New York, but still it gives a good impression). This would have been an intense time to be a part of the community, especially for a small town guy imho

Further to this, I found a second 1976 ad, in the Bay Area Reporter,
similar to what you found! Mentions it’s near the Greyhound.

I’ve included some of the ads around it so you can see the other hotels listed, somehow of which have been discussed here, and note that they were often marketing themselves as “wild” and in the centre of “action”. They were also v cheap compared to other private rentals of flats and homes which were hundreds per week as opposed to as low as 17.50. Interesting the National hotel does not have a room price.
ETA link sorry
WOW!

The National Hotel courageously showing their openness to the gay community in those ads! I am now 100% certain that Farren was gay and was interested, and perhaps even aroused, to seek out the National Hotel as a way to find the adventures and male father figures he never had in John Day.

It raises the question of was Farren too adventurous? Uncle had described him as a naive country boy. I think that considering his personality and upbringing, that he would have been an easy target for exploitation. All of this makes his vanishing into thin air, all the more devastating.

Satch
 
Sup?

Having trouble finding a direct website to the campground. It is now listed as a Horse Park.

Satch
I noticed that but didn't really know what it meant...do they breed horses or can you just ride them there?

I will try and check the Burns paper later to see if anything ever happened there other than camping.
 
Apologies to fellow sleuthers that as a foreigner I can’t help out much with questions about banks, Greyhounds or rural camp grounds. But I might be able to help out with the idea of tracking people from this time in San Francisco.

The National Hotel courageously showing their openness to the gay community in those ads! I am now 100% certain that Farren was gay and was interested, and perhaps even aroused, to seek out the National Hotel as a way to find the adventures and male father figures he never had in John Day
I have done a bit of archival reading and I think the National Hotel was one of a number of hotels specifically catering to the LGBTIQ+ community in San Francisco. It was well-known - perhaps even iconic. I

This was a time when people were flocking to San Francisco as the gay rights movement gained momentum. This was also true in Australia, where I am from. (Sydney was the main place people went, including some of my family members.)

I found some issues online of a SF-based periodical magazine called The Gay Crusader from 1972 -1978. It is archived at U Berkeley. I don’t really know how to classify this magazine except to say I doubt it would be a Websleuths-approved mainstream media source if this case was current! ;) But it has huge amounts of advertising so it must have had a large readership.I can’t work out if it is gossip rag with occasional useful social and political commentary, or a source of social and political commentary on the issues facing the San Francisco queer community with a lot of gossip and hookup content. Maybe it was a student publication idk.

Note: NSFW content abounds when you look this publication up.

Google Gay Crusader and 1139 Market or National Hotel they will all come up. This was very much the centre of things at least prior to 1980 (can’t find issues post-70s). It seems there was all kinds of crime, drama and carry on associated w the hotel and there is a manager who i won’t name who is repeatedly discuseed And referenced as though the writers know him personally (not the person mentioned here). I’ll post some screen grabs if I can get mod approval. This guy is important.

Amazing to think of Farren in this environment.

The urban gay subcultures of the 70s and 80s were a completely separate ecosystem. They had their own newspapers and magazines. You could purchase travel guides that told you where was safe and welcoming to go all over the USA and the world (you can see these advertised in the SF newspapers linked here by sleuthers). These media advertised bars and clubs, jobs, tradesman, sex work, seeking singles, social events like balls and sports clubs and also reported on political and social justice stuff to do with the gay rights movement. Basically people could just turn up in San Fran, get a copy of local gay press as they left the Amtrak or whatever and find out what they needed to know.

People went to these urban hubs and literally reinvented themselves. New names, new lives.
It would have been an incredibly brave thing to do, and potentially very lonely and yes, dangerous.

Not knowing anything much about Farren, it’s hard to say what being a part of the scene meant to him. It might not have been about his relationship with any family in particular but simply about being same-sex attracted and seeking a place to be himself around others like him.

There would possibly be gay elders remaining from this time who remember this hotel specifically and the characters who frequented it. I think keeping on working w the GLBT archive (once we’ve figured out what to ask for) and asking for contacts via any current existing gay press in California would be useful places to start. Is anyone here a SF local?
 
Do you know if the actual Joaquin Miller campsite have any more specific contact info just for them? Rather than the ranger for the whole forest? Perhaps it is an unmanned campground.


Yes it appears to be a lightly used and unmanned campground. Generally only the busiest campgrounds are manned in the Forest Service system. I would assume it was even less developed in 1980 -- probably not a horse camp at that time but just a regular campground.

I noticed that but didn't really know what it meant...do they breed horses or can you just ride them there?

I will try and check the Burns paper later to see if anything ever happened there other than camping.
No horse breeding or horses provided for riding -- a horse camp is a campground for people with their own horses, who like to ride them on allowed forest trails. The campground would have room for horse trailers, corrals where the horses can be secured, etc. Only the infrastructure is provided -- the horse folks bring the horses.

If you want to try to get some history on the campground, call the Malheur National Forest and ask for the historian, if they have one, or else the Recreation Officer. The Forest Supervisor is an administrative position and probably not the person to talk to.

(source: I am a former Forest Service employee)
 

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