CA - Hasanni Campbell, 5, Oakland, 10 Aug 2009 - #5

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Shutterfly said:
I have to believe that in some twisted, warped way, the kidnapping story 'fits.' I would imagine that whatever happened must have been bad, and the child's body will reveal that. What better way to prevent being blamed. By blaming a non-existent kidnapper, LR can then claim whoever kidnapped him did whatever horrible things the autopsy would reveal. I tend to think too, because of this, he dumped this child somewhere in a hurry, just like a kidnapper would. I think he wants Hasanni found. Afterall, that's the only way this thing will cease to follow him around. I think he truly believes he's smart enough to pass the kidnapping thing off even when Hasanni is found. He clearly thinks people are stupid, he proves that every time he opens his mouth.
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Good thoughts! :)
 
Shutterfly said:
I have to believe that in some twisted, warped way, the kidnapping story 'fits.' I would imagine that whatever happened must have been bad, and the child's body will reveal that. What better way to prevent being blamed. By blaming a non-existent kidnapper, LR can then claim whoever kidnapped him did whatever horrible things the autopsy would reveal. I tend to think too, because of this, he dumped this child somewhere in a hurry, just like a kidnapper would. I think he wants Hasanni found. Afterall, that's the only way this thing will cease to follow him around. I think he truly believes he's smart enough to pass the kidnapping thing off even when Hasanni is found. He clearly thinks people are stupid, he proves that every time he opens his mouth.
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Plus, kidnapping wins them sympathy and perhaps even admiration.

And I, too, think that Hasanni must have been brutally wounded, in either a beating or a fall - a chocking death wouldn't be consistent with a kidnapping, really.

Though I do think it would be possible that he counted on the remains not being found in time to discover the wounds were older than that day, I am guessing it actually did happen that day or the night before. Perhaps a wet bed the night before? JC left at 7am, so he might have still been alive at that point.
 
Paintr said:
Hey! It was my fault. My random thought started this thread derailment.

:truce:

I'll be good now! :)
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Actually, I think I was the one that started it with my suicide-cams...

Oh man - now we're going O/T on who's to blame for going O/T... it's entering the world of meta-naughtiness now!

HALP!
 
WhyaDuck? said:
Plus, kidnapping wins them sympathy and perhaps even admiration.

And I, too, think that Hasanni must have been brutally wounded, in either a beating or a fall - a chocking death wouldn't be consistent with a kidnapping, really.

Though I do think it would be possible that he counted on the remains not being found in time to discover the wounds were older than that day, I am guessing it actually did happen that day or the night before. Perhaps a wet bed the night before? JC left at 7am, so he might have still been alive at that point.
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JC claims that he was sleeping and she kissed him good-bye before work.
 
WhyaDuck? said:
Plus, kidnapping wins them sympathy and perhaps even admiration.

And I, too, think that Hasanni must have been brutally wounded, in either a beating or a fall - a chocking death wouldn't be consistent with a kidnapping, really.

Though I do think it would be possible that he counted on the remains not being found in time to discover the wounds were older than that day, I am guessing it actually did happen that day or the night before. Perhaps a wet bed the night before? JC left at 7am, so he might have still been alive at that point.
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I think there's a pretty logical way to explain the lack of evidence of decomp. God help me for even thinking it, but perhaps there was no evidence of decomp because when LR dumped him, he was still alive. Once again, something a kidnapper who see's his victim as nothing more than an object would do.
 
Shutterfly said:
I think there's a pretty logical way to explain the lack of evidence of decomp. God help me for even thinking it, but perhaps there was no evidence of decomp because when LR dumped him, he was still alive. Once again, something a kidnapper who see's his victim as nothing more than an object would do.
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Well, we know LR had no trouble threatening to abandon Hasanni. If he were beaten or injured, and unlikely to survive (or testify) I could see LR just dumping him to die.

This could also explain the pleas to dump him off somewhere and making a deal out of "Hasanni is unable to recognize anyone," etc - possibly in case he was found alive? ("No, officer - he's only saying it was me because he's handicapped and unable to recognize people...")
 
WhyaDuck? said:
Well, we know LR had no trouble threatening to abandon Hasanni. If he were beaten or injured, and unlikely to survive (or testify) I could see LR just dumping him to die.

This could also explain the pleas to dump him off somewhere and making a deal out of "Hasanni is unable to recognize anyone," etc - possibly in case he was found alive? ("No, officer - he's only saying it was me because he's handicapped and unable to recognize people...")
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You got it.....that's what I'm thinkin'
 
Paintr said:
It was better than the nanny story Casey Anthony dreamed up. LOL!

But I see what you are saying, daisy. Why didn't he claim to have lost Hasanni in the park where SO's might lurk in the bushes? Or in a crowded mall? But then, he would have to explain how Hasanni got so far away from him that he, Ross, didn't see it happen. Guess he needed a legitiment reason to leave a 5 year old alone, without looking like a neglectful adult.
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I think he couldn't risk eyewitnesses. A mall would have him on camera entering a main entrance or a store without Hasanni. A park would likely have witnesses as well, and he almost needed them to corroborate his distraught immediate reaction. Rockridge was perfect, IMHO. Busy area, everyone doing their own thing, no cameras upon entrance, a small parking lot that can be visually blocked, and it's technically "Oakland" which everyone in the country equates with scary. It's also safe enough to leave your child (though that's never smart anywhere) for a few minutes, and yet dicey enough with traffic, shoppers and easy freeway access that there's a possibility something could happen.

IMHO, Rockridge's College Ave is almost like a mall. Coffeeshops, boutiques, people leisurely strolling through this upscale enclave. You just get the added benefit of traffic and perhaps less security.

One other thing I'd like to add that may not have been conveyed in the news reports. There's not a whole lot of retail OFF College Avenue, from Elmwood (Berkeley) to Temescal (a slightly lower end neighborhood in Oakland). With the exception of perhaps a shop or two on a corner, it's either the retail of College Ave or it's suburban side streets for the most part. It just struck me that it may not be clear that this isn't a little downtown shopping grid or shopping region. So LR got the benefit of tons of witnesses very closeby to his "reaction," while still pretty much staging this in random suburbia.
 
I've got the exact time everyone that LR, JC, Hasanni & little sis pulled into the parking lot of Walmart.....it is clearly time-stamped in the KRON4 video that they released.
It's time-stamped with them pulling in at 7:56:06 PM Aug. 6th, 2009

I posted it for SS already....When she does an astro chart for the video...I'm sure it will help in a direction to look for Hasanni! :crossfingers:

I'll PM her so that she knows the time-stamp for it!

Thanks to everyone who may have tried to find a time-stamp. :blowkiss:

:angel:
 
Angel Who Cares said:
I've got the exact time everyone that LR, JC, Hasanni & little sis pulled into the parking lot of Walmart.....it is clearly time-stamped in the KRON4 video that they released.
It's time-stamped with them pulling in at 7:56:06 PM Aug. 6th, 2009

I posted it for SS already....When she does an astro chart for the video...I'm sure it will help in a direction to look for Hasanni! :crossfingers:

I'll PM her so that she knows the time-stamp for it!

Thanks to everyone who may have tried to find a time-stamp. :blowkiss:

:angel:
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Thanks, Angel. I couldn't figure it out for the life of me.
 
Hasanni and his sister were placed with the couple in late 2008. The girl has been removed from their custody. The children's biological parents live separately in San Francisco. Records with San Francisco's Department of Human Services show no history of problems.
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I thought there had been mention of physical abuse as well as drug use. Was this ever substantiated, or just stated by LR and the family (and possibly by SC herself)? Strange that SFHS shows no history of problems.
 
ForensicsFan said:
I thought there had been mention of physical abuse as well as drug use. Was this ever substantiated, or just stated by LR and the family (and possibly by SC herself)? Strange that SFHS shows no history of problems.
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I'm not sure it was substantiated, but the fact that the children were taken away kind of verifies it (?). One look at the family members could tell a person a lot. The biodad is in prison for some kind of abuse, IIRC. At any rate there had to be problems or the kids wouldn't have been in foster homes. Maybe the statement that SFHS showed no history of problems was incorrect--more sloppy reporting.
 
AWC - Glad you found that time. I just got home and saw that first post and was relieved to see someone found it.

FF - thanks for the link about fwy traffic. I've been really wondering about it. As soon as I get caught up, I'm going to check it out.


Posted by WhyaDuck?:
Yeah, I think the death and the disposal happened nearly the same day. It's not like they could freeze a body for days and then dispose of him, as it wasn't winter or cold.

That doesn't mean, however, that his cause of death didn't happen earlier, and he didn't die right away.

Poor child.
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But, maybe they did dispose of Hasanni on the 6th and just waited til the 10th to cry kidnapping


Also, another thought I had. I've been stuck on LR stating several times about leaving the kids home alone and going to the bank. It keeps replaying in my mind like it must have some sort of importance. It just hit me. What if that was supposed to be his original story? Then maybe he got cold feet at the last minute either because

1.) he thought it wouldn't make sense (not that his other story did)

2.) maybe a neighbor had been out the whole time doing yard work or something and would be able to say there was no kidnapping

3.) He decided his home would keep LE a little too close for comfort

I don't know, just a thought . . . .
 
YellowSubmarine said:
AWC - Glad you found that time. I just got home and saw that first post and was relieved to see someone found it.

FF - thanks for the link about fwy traffic. I've been really wondering about it. As soon as I get caught up, I'm going to check it out.


Posted by WhyaDuck?:


But, maybe they did dispose of Hasanni on the 6th and just waited til the 10th to cry kidnapping


Also, another thought I had. I've been stuck on LR stating several times about leaving the kids home alone and going to the bank. It keeps replaying in my mind like it must have some sort of importance. It just hit me. What if that was supposed to be his original story? Then maybe he got cold feet at the last minute either because

1.) he thought it wouldn't make sense (not that his other story did)

2.) maybe a neighbor had been out the whole time doing yard work or something and would be able to say there was no kidnapping

3.) He decided his home would keep LE a little too close for comfort

I don't know, just a thought . . . .
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BBM

Would he have risked him being found before he reported him missing?

I think you're on to something with the leaving them at home story.
 
Does anyone know the date Hasanni moved in with LR & JC?
 
Paulette said:
Does anyone know the date Hasanni moved in with LR & JC?
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Was it Nov. 2008? Actually I'm not entirely sure--maybe the date should be part of the Hasanni Jamil Campbell timeline thread, too.
 
Isn't it possible that Ross thought about getting rid of little Hasanni for awhile? Thinking about it - executing it - could very well have been months or weeks apart, or occuring on same day.
 
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