Deceased/Not Found CA - Heidi Planck, 39, left son’s football game in Downey, dog found in Los Angeles, 17 Oct 2021 #4

[Hair of the Dog]

IDK, what if it's just 1 person? That's one of the possibilities. Seems a fairly meaningless statement, to me.

It could absolutely be just 1 person
He also mentioned (me paraphrasing) that the person/people they seek, may not have been aware of the significance of their actions at the time, but in light of the new information being released, have had an aha moment and should come forward and fill in the missing pieces. JMO

 

[SteveP]

New to this case and have not read all the posts. What is standing out to me is that the ex-husband and her friends are the ones that seem really concerned. Where is her bio. family? Where is the boyfriend? Don't get me wrong, I think it is great that her ex-husband is out there keeping her case alive, just think it's odd he's doing it alone (with some help of friends).

I understand what you are saying, and agree that it does seem that her ex and a couple of her friends have been the "public faces" of this case. However, Heidi was from Buffalo, NY, and had moved to Cali to attend college, and stayed. Her mother and other close family members are still in NY, from what I gather, and probably were unable to or did not see the real benefit of travelling across country when the case was still being investigated, with no real clue about Heidi's day-to-day life, and nothing they could really add to the investigation, It would be incredibly expensive to fly across the country and stay in hotel rooms for an unknown amount of time, a few days, a week or two...we are now five weeks in, and only now are we getting any real information. So I will cut them some slack. Her mother made a statement early on, but has not been interviewed since. I do not take her silence as a lack of concern. Her daughter is missing, and presumed dead. I am sure she is grieving, but choosing to do it privately.

As to her bf, we cannot sleuth him, but he does not live in LA. JMO

 

[Hair of the Dog]

Playing devils advocate a bit here, but video surveillance in a “luxury” building is a double edged sword. People want their privacy and they also want criminals caught on camera. And by privacy, I mean privacy that extends to their own illicit activity.

Totally agree. I was thinking broken or malfunctioning equipment that doesn't record the things tenants are expecting to be recorded, that they rely on for their own sense of security and pay for in a new and upscale building that promises top notch security in an area that could be considered sketchy. JMO

 

[PeregrineFalcon]

I understand what you are saying, and agree that it does seem that her ex and a couple of her friends have been the "public faces" of this case. However, Heidi was from Buffalo, NY, and had moved to Cali to attend college, and stayed. Her mother and other close family members are still in NY, from what I gather, and probably were unable to or did not see the real benefit of travelling across country when the case was still being investigated, with no real clue about Heidi's day-to-day life, and nothing they could really add to the investigation, It would be incredibly expensive to fly across the country and stay in hotel rooms for an unknown amount of time, a few days, a week or two...we are now five weeks in, and only now are we getting any real information. So I will cut them some slack. Her mother made a statement early on, but has not been interviewed since. I do not take her silence as a lack of concern. Her daughter is missing, and presumed dead. I am sure she is grieving, but choosing to do it privately.

As to her bf, we cannot sleuth him, but he does not live in LA. JMO

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer. Clears up quite a bit.

 

[?!?]

Totally agree. I was thinking broken or malfunctioning equipment that doesn't record the things tenants are expecting to be recorded, that they rely on for their own sense of security and pay for in a new and upscale building that promises top notch security in an area that could be considered sketchy. JMO

Also occurs that with all those cameras, retention time may be minimal to conserve disc storage space/costs.

 

[SuziQ]

I agree. She didn't run across random bad actors either. She left the football game without giving a reason, she went home and got her dog (perhaps to help manage anxiety and maybe she knew she was meeting someone who could be...dangerous in some way). Her car was parked near H+F, she and dog went into the building, LE knows approximately where the incident occurred but may not have proper camera footage of who was going in and out.

She could very well have been in fear of her life, but with an incentive to behave calmly to try and get out of whatever it was she was in. I think this was a financially or legally motivated crime.

Iirc, she took the dog to the game with her? Wouldn't know where to find that now. She at least is on CCTV taking the dog with her from the house before the game.

 

[Gardenista]

I looked at the LA city and county sanitation and waste disposal sites last night. 5o%of waste goes to landfills in Orange County.
There is a searchable page with maps and details of all the landfills serving LA county that also sllows a search by residence address to figure out where one could dispose of one’s own waste- there are 3 sites that pop up for 1201 S. Hope. None are Chiquita.
That said, Chiquita Canyon gets the bulk of its waste from LA county communities surrounding the landfill. DTLA does not exactly fill that bill. But then who knows- maybe her clothes, purse or electronics went down the chute. Maybe there’s a lead to someone out around Castaic.
My guess is that someone with means and connections called in a depraved and sloppy crew to deal with the aftermath of Heidi’s demise.
The area that is being searched seems to correspond to the free dumping days offered to the Val Verde and Castaic, originally set for December 4 but postponed by the landfill on 11/27, now set for 12/18. So LE informed the landfill on or before 11/27 that they would be searching.
Also, that area seems to contain very processed waste from what I can distinguish on the ground.
https://pw.lacounty.gov/epd/illdump/pdf/FrDisDay-Chiquita12.04.21_Eng_FINAL.pdf

This is great info. I checked Wayback and the previous free dumping day was Saturday, September 11, 2021 so before HP went missing. Which is weird because if Hope and Flower isn't in their jurisdiction, then how did someone get access to dump there?

Free Disposal Days

 

[Ducky123]

This is great info. I checked Wayback and the previous free dumping day was Saturday, September 11, 2021 so before HP went missing. Which is weird because if Hope and Flower isn't in their jurisdiction, then how did someone get access to dump there?

Free Disposal Days

Someone else who is in the jdx?

eta I doubt they take the time to check out the home verification info. Those lines can back up like crazy. If you have a drivers license with an old rental address, that’s easy.

 

[Strong1]

The ex's "1-5 people know what happened to Heidi" statement is just weird. How is that supposed to be taken? Does it mean there are 5 suspects and any one of them could have done it? Does it mean 1-5 as in a group that did it? Does it mean that one person did it but there were 4 others that were somehow involved or knew about it? It just seems like a really bad blanket statement. Where did he come up with that number? Did LE tell him that, or is he trying to deflect? He has made some strange statements before but this one is one of the stranger ones. MOO

 

[Meligator]

I looked at the LA city and county sanitation and waste disposal sites last night. 5o%of waste goes to landfills in Orange County.
There is a searchable page with maps and details of all the landfills serving LA county that also sllows a search by residence address to figure out where one could dispose of one’s own waste- there are 3 sites that pop up for 1201 S. Hope. None are Chiquita.
That said, Chiquita Canyon gets the bulk of its waste from LA county communities surrounding the landfill. DTLA does not exactly fill that bill. But then who knows- maybe her clothes, purse or electronics went down the chute. Maybe there’s a lead to someone out around Castaic.
My guess is that someone with means and connections called in a depraved and sloppy crew to deal with the aftermath of Heidi’s demise.
The area that is being searched seems to correspond to the free dumping days offered to the Val Verde and Castaic, originally set for December 4 but postponed by the landfill on 11/27, now set for 12/18. So LE informed the landfill on or before 11/27 that they would be searching.
Also, that area seems to contain very processed waste from what I can distinguish on the ground.
https://pw.lacounty.gov/epd/illdump/pdf/FrDisDay-Chiquita12.04.21_Eng_FINAL.pdf

So someone removed her body from H&F and either took it to the dump OR dumped the body someplace else (dumpster?) …. AND police were able to track that whole sequence. They definitely know who did it.

 

[yurintroubl]

The ex's "1-5 people know what happened to Heidi" statement is just weird. How is that supposed to be taken? Does it mean there are 5 suspects and any one of them could have done it? Does it mean 1-5 as in a group that did it? Does it mean that one person did it but there were 4 others that were somehow involved or knew about it? It just seems like a really bad blanket statement. Where did he come up with that number? Did LE tell him that, or is he trying to deflect? He has made some strange statements before but this one is one of the stranger ones. MOO

Could be that evidence was found in at trash chute/hallway on a specific floor and that 1-5 units are accessible in that area.

 

[bears10]

Playing devils advocate a bit here, but video surveillance in a “luxury” building is a double edged sword. People want their privacy and they also want criminals caught on camera. And by privacy, I mean privacy that extends to their own illicit activity.

its not just that people want privacy for their own illicit activity. There are some sick people in this world. How could security know whether or not heidis friends were concerned loved ones vs stalkers making up a story about a missing person in order to get the surveillance footage?

Imagine if you had a restraining order against a scorned ex and your apartment building’s security guards let your ex access footage of you? That would be a huge violation of privacy and could put a tenant in harms way. I don’t blame security at all for waiting for a warrant.

 

[bears10]

This is great info. I checked Wayback and the previous free dumping day was Saturday, September 11, 2021 so before HP went missing. Which is weird because if Hope and Flower isn't in their jurisdiction, then how did someone get access to dump there?

Free Disposal Days

I think I missed something bc the talk of garbage disposal is confusing the crap out of me. Why do we think that anyone personally went their and disposed of anything vs the sanitation company picking up the trash at H & F and taking it to the landfill? It doesn’t matter if the H&F address doesn’t show as part of the jurisdiction for that specific landfill, it’s a matter of the landfill that the sanitation company uses. JME

 

[Ducky123]

its not just that people want privacy for their own illicit activity. There are some sick people in this world. How could security know whether or not heidis friends were concerned loved ones vs stalkers making up a story about a missing person in order to get the surveillance footage?

Imagine if you had a restraining order against a scorned ex and your apartment building’s security guards let your ex access footage of you? That would be a huge violation of privacy and could put a tenant in harms way. I don’t blame security at all for waiting for a warrant.

I totally agree.

 

[Ducky123]

I think I missed something bc the talk of garbage disposal is confusing the crap out of me. Why do we think that anyone personally went their and disposed of anything vs the sanitation company picking up the trash at H & F and taking it to the landfill?

Theoretically, the only way to dispose of trash at the building is through a trash chute that empties into a (most likely locked for safety) dumpster, to be taken away by a trash truck. The alternative would be someone dropping off trash at another dumpster, which would have been picked up and taken to the dump. The other alternative would be that someone took it there personally, which I find unlikely. It seems you’re not able to go to that dump any day of the week to dispose of trash (you can do this M-Sa at my own town’s dump).

 

[bears10]

Theoretically, the only way to dispose of trash at the building is through a trash chute that empties into a (most likely locked for safety) dumpster, to be taken away by a trash truck. The alternative would be someone dropping off trash at another dumpster, which would have been picked up and taken to the dump. The other alternative would be that someone took it there personally, which I find unlikely. It seems you’re not able to go to that dump any day of the week to dispose of trash (you can do this M-Sa at my own town’s dump).

yeah also I think it’s unlikely someone took it there personally. That’d be a huge and unnecessary risk as opposed to using a dumpster. Jmo

 

[?!?]

The ex's "1-5 people know what happened to Heidi" statement is just weird. How is that supposed to be taken? Does it mean there are 5 suspects and any one of them could have done it? Does it mean 1-5 as in a group that did it? Does it mean that one person did it but there were 4 others that were somehow involved or knew about it? It just seems like a really bad blanket statement. Where did he come up with that number? Did LE tell him that, or is he trying to deflect? He has made some strange statements before but this one is one of the stranger ones. MOO

Purely a guess: LE told him what to say, with the goal of keeping the guilty party (whoever that is) thinking that LE has less than they actually do (that they need someone to fill in the gaps). But, once the dump turns up what they are searching for, LE can surprise them with arrest. Keeps the bad guy from fleeing, believing that as long as HE keeps quiet, he is safe.

 

[Satchie]

Purely a guess: LE told him what to say, with the goal of keeping the guilty party (whoever that is) thinking that LE has less than they actually do (that they need someone to fill in the gaps). But, once the dump turns up what they are searching for, LE can surprise them with arrest. Keeps the bad guy from fleeing, believing that as long as HE keeps quiet, he is safe.

I don't believe police departments script private citizens/family members of victims. Asking them not to reveal things is not the same as asking them to say certain things, which may or may not be true.

 

[Curiosa20]

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I think I missed something bc the talk of garbage disposal is confusing the crap out of me. Why do we think that anyone personally went their and disposed of anything vs the sanitation company picking up the trash at H & F and taking it to the landfill? It doesn’t matter if the H&F address doesn’t show as part of the jurisdiction for that specific landfill, it’s a matter of the landfill that the sanitation company uses. JME

It’s a this AND that thing.
There very well could be a contract for some kind of waste processing with the City of Los Angeles and County for kitchen waste, packaging. Waste is a complicated and profitable business.
And the public can dispose waste there, too.

 

[JKM]

Key fobs; did she have access to a key fob assigned to a unit in the building? A cool thing about places like mine we have key fobs we need to use for parking garage, elevator, and front door. A physical key is used for stairwells that are locked. I know my building is able to pull a report specific to the key fob as well as dated records showing when a key fob was used for entry. It won’t show exit but it does show entry each time it is used to get in a door or even get the elevator moving if programmed that way. Like mine doesn’t restrict which floor I go to but I need to scan it if I want the elevator to move.

They could get a data pull and look for repeated entry exits during a certain time frame and the building would (should) know if anyone was scheduled to do moving to rule it out. But that may not matter if she was sent down the shute. Then we would rely on if her car had been moved at all... there has to be footage on elevators if those were used; I doubt anyone was really trying to do an indoor 5K up and down the stairs. So they could pull every key fob swipe for certain dates; I really doubt the building attys would be like “oh nope overly broad and unduly burdensome” my building was able to pull the info for me in less than 30 minutes.